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RE: The Carpetbagger.org finally debunks what is Southern and what isnt
(08-20-2014 08:24 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 07:39 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Confederate battle flags flying in North Cincinnati, kids saying “you guys” North Atlanta.

The lines have been blurred.

The millennials are responsible for the "you guys" craze. It's highly annoying. It's like they are going out of their way to reject southern culture.

And they are doing it while sitting at home with mom and dad.
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This is what the OP wants so I've indulge him this much. He trying to troll.

Here is the correct definition of the south. It can be defined by using dialect, religious affiliation - which matches settlement patterns.

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CHAPEL HILL – Ask even educated Americans what states form "the South," and you’re likely to get 100 different answers. Almost everyone will agree on Deep South states -- except maybe Florida -- but which border states belong and which don’t can be endlessly debated.

Now, the Southern Focus Poll, conducted by the Institute for Research in Social Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, provides strong support for including such states as Texas, Kentucky and Oklahoma in the South. On the other hand, West Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Delaware and the District of Columbia don’t belong anymore, if they ever did.

Fourteen polls, surveying a total of more than 17,000 people between 1992 and 1999 show, for example, that only 7 percent of D.C. residents responding say that they live in the South.

Only 14 percent of Delaware residents think they live in the region, followed by Missourians with 23 percent, Marylanders with 40 percent and West Virginians with 45 percent.

"We found 84 percent of Texans, 82 percent of Virginians, 79 percent of Kentuckians and 69 percent of Oklahomans say they live in the South," says Dr. John Shelton Reed, director of the institute. "Our findings correspond to the traditional 13-state South as defined by the Gallup organization and others, but is different from the Census Bureau’s South, which doesn’t make sense."

The U.S. Census Bureau includes Delaware, D.C., Maryland and West Virginia in its definition.

"Clearly some parts of Texas aren’t Southern – whatever you mean by that -- and some parts of Maryland are," Reed said. "But sometimes you need to say what ‘the Southern states’ are, and this kind of information can help you decide. Our next step is to look inside individual states like Texas, break the data down by county, and say, for example, where between Beaumont and El Paso people stop telling you that you’re in the South."

A report on the findings, produced by UNC-CH’s Institute for Research in Social Science, will appear in the June issue of the journal "Southern Cultures." Reed, who directs the institute, says the results should interest many people including survey, marketing and census researchers.

"Personally, I think they ought to be interesting too to ordinary folk who are curious about where people stop telling you you’re in the South as you’re travelling west or north," he said. "Where that is has been kind of hard to say sometimes."

Perhaps surprisingly, 11 percent of people in Utah, 10 percent in Indiana and slighter fewer people in Illinois, Ohio, Arizona and Michigan claim to be Southerners.

"That’s because in the early part of this century millions of people left the South, and their migration was one of the great migrations not just in American history, but in world history," Reed said. "Their children may not think of themselves as Southern, but they still do."

The UNC-CH sociologist said he was surprised that 51 percent of Floridians describe themselves as Southerners even though 90 percent know their community is in the South.

"Florida is the only state in lower 48 where most people living there weren’t born there," he said. "In fact, most of them weren’t born in the South, much less in Florida."

Because of the South’s growing economy, only between 90 and 80 percent of residents of Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Georgia and the Carolinas said they are Southerners, the surveys showed.

"If you want to define the South as where people say it is, now we have a better sense of it," Reed said. "For the most part, it confirms what I already suspected, which is why I’m glad to see it. This work shows something we wanted to show, but haven’t been able to before."
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Since when is Deleware part of the South?
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Oklahoma is not a part of the South. They are a southern plains state or southwest state.
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(08-20-2014 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Since when is Deleware part of the South?

Geographically, people in most regions of Delaware (2 of 3 counties 03-lmfao) act southern. But I think the majority of the population is in Wilmington, which is more like Philly/NJ.

But then you get a lot of southern habits creeping in those places too. As a Midwesterner, it's interesting to see that sort of thing.
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(08-20-2014 09:01 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Oklahoma is not a part of the South. They are a southern plains state or southwest state.

You will have to do better than that.
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Let me preface this by saying that I LOVE Charlotte, NC. I lived there for several years after I graduated from ECU. I think it's an absolute gem of a city.

However, in recent years, it has been absolutely overrun and polluted by all types of yankee trash. You used to see topsiders & polos uptown, now you see deep V's, tank-tops, and sneakers. It's really a shame that they couldn't stay in the Hell that is north of the Mason-Dixon.

Charlotte, I barely recognize ye anymore.
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(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:01 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Oklahoma is not a part of the South. They are a southern plains state or southwest state.

You will have to do better than that.

I guarantee you most southerners would agree Oklahoma is not a southern state. There's an argument for the SE quarter of the state being "Southern", but OKC is not a southern city. And everywhere west of OKC is nowhere near being southern.
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(08-20-2014 09:14 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:01 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Oklahoma is not a part of the South. They are a southern plains state or southwest state.

You will have to do better than that.

I guarantee you most southerners would agree Oklahoma is not a southern state. There's an argument for the SE quarter of the state being "Southern", but OKC is not a southern city. And everywhere west of OKC is nowhere near being southern.

I don't care what most southerners would agree to. Most southerners think anything north of them is not southern. My Aunt in Hueytown thinks Tennessee is Midwestern.

You will lose this debate.
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(08-20-2014 09:06 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Since when is Deleware part of the South?

Geographically, people in most regions of Delaware (2 of 3 counties 03-lmfao) act southern. But I think the majority of the population is in Wilmington, which is more like Philly/NJ.

But then you get a lot of southern habits creeping in those places too. As a Midwesterner, it's interesting to see that sort of thing.

Dover is very southern. Wilmington is Philly Jr. and even shares suburban communities with Philly.
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(08-19-2014 10:18 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  "Sweet Home Alabama" is even the undisputed anthem of the South.

That just debunked the rest of your post. Sorry. This is the anthem of the South.



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(08-20-2014 09:22 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  According to the map provided on the previous page, the Washington metropolitan area is part of the South. Anyone who's lived here and the actual South (or visited both) know they share little, if anything, in common.

That is a dialect map.
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(08-20-2014 09:22 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  According to the map provided on the previous page, the Washington metropolitan area is part of the South. Anyone who's lived here and the actual South (or visited both) know they share little, if anything, in common.

These days.

That was truer in times past. Even 30 years ago it was much more southern.
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(08-20-2014 09:26 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-19-2014 10:18 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  "Sweet Home Alabama" is even the undisputed anthem of the South.

That just debunked the rest of your post. Sorry. This is the anthem of the South.




That's such a great song. Along with------

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(08-20-2014 09:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:14 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:01 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Oklahoma is not a part of the South. They are a southern plains state or southwest state.

You will have to do better than that.

I guarantee you most southerners would agree Oklahoma is not a southern state. There's an argument for the SE quarter of the state being "Southern", but OKC is not a southern city. And everywhere west of OKC is nowhere near being southern.

I don't care what most southerners would agree to. Most southerners think anything north of them is not southern. My Aunt in Hueytown thinks Tennessee is Midwestern.

You will lose this debate.

I've always wondered what life is like in the Southern Plains, dix.
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(08-20-2014 09:35 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:14 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:01 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Oklahoma is not a part of the South. They are a southern plains state or southwest state.

You will have to do better than that.

I guarantee you most southerners would agree Oklahoma is not a southern state. There's an argument for the SE quarter of the state being "Southern", but OKC is not a southern city. And everywhere west of OKC is nowhere near being southern.

I don't care what most southerners would agree to. Most southerners think anything north of them is not southern. My Aunt in Hueytown thinks Tennessee is Midwestern.

You will lose this debate.

I've always wondered what life is like in the Southern Plains, dix.

Well, I don't live on the plains, so I can't give you a first hand account. I live in the cross timbers. However, I have family out on the plains.

They are cotton and peanut farmers that came to Oklahoma from Alabama. It's hot, humid and has a lot of severe thunderstorms. The people are extremely friendly. The people are wild and like to have a good time. Everyone waves at you when you pass them on the road

There is a joke out in western Oklahoma.

How do you get a one handed Oklahoman out of a tree?

Wave at him.
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(08-20-2014 09:43 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:35 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:14 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You will have to do better than that.

I guarantee you most southerners would agree Oklahoma is not a southern state. There's an argument for the SE quarter of the state being "Southern", but OKC is not a southern city. And everywhere west of OKC is nowhere near being southern.

I don't care what most southerners would agree to. Most southerners think anything north of them is not southern. My Aunt in Hueytown thinks Tennessee is Midwestern.

You will lose this debate.

I've always wondered what life is like in the Southern Plains, dix.

Well, I don't live on the plains, so I can't give you a first hand account. I live in the cross timbers. However, I have family out on the plains.

They are cotton and peanut farmers that came to Oklahoma from Alabama. It's hot, humid and has a lot of severe thunderstorms. The people are extremely friendly. The people are wild and like to have a good time. Everyone waves at you when you pass them on the road

There is a joke out in western Oklahoma.

How do you get a one handed Oklahoman out of a tree?

Wave at him.

Only a douchewhistle wouldn't consider Oklahoma part of the South... WP, after being away for a while and named in a thread (by you) yesterday, coincidentally shows up today and starts a troll thread that would get your attention, then the usual suspects, that you were arguing with yesterday while naming WP, joined in.

Quite the coincidence.
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(08-20-2014 09:13 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Let me preface this by saying that I LOVE Charlotte, NC. I lived there for several years after I graduated from ECU. I think it's an absolute gem of a city.

However, in recent years, it has been absolutely overrun and polluted by all types of yankee trash. You used to see topsiders & polos uptown, now you see deep V's, tank-tops, and sneakers. It's really a shame that they couldn't stay in the Hell that is north of the Mason-Dixon.

Charlotte, I barely recognize ye anymore.

They’er called “halfbacks”

The people that left the Northeast to retire in Florida, but after just a
year or so of blistering heat they moved halfway back home.
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(08-20-2014 09:51 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:43 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:35 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 09:14 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  I guarantee you most southerners would agree Oklahoma is not a southern state. There's an argument for the SE quarter of the state being "Southern", but OKC is not a southern city. And everywhere west of OKC is nowhere near being southern.

I don't care what most southerners would agree to. Most southerners think anything north of them is not southern. My Aunt in Hueytown thinks Tennessee is Midwestern.

You will lose this debate.

I've always wondered what life is like in the Southern Plains, dix.

Well, I don't live on the plains, so I can't give you a first hand account. I live in the cross timbers. However, I have family out on the plains.

They are cotton and peanut farmers that came to Oklahoma from Alabama. It's hot, humid and has a lot of severe thunderstorms. The people are extremely friendly. The people are wild and like to have a good time. Everyone waves at you when you pass them on the road

There is a joke out in western Oklahoma.

How do you get a one handed Oklahoman out of a tree?

Wave at him.

Only a douchewhistle wouldn't consider Oklahoma part of the South... WP, after being away for a while and named in a thread (by you) yesterday, coincidentally shows up today and starts a troll thread that would get your attention, then the usual suspects, that you were arguing with yesterday while naming WP, joined in.

Quite the coincidence.

He's mad because I outed his troll accounts yesterday. He's in damage control, heavily utilizing Krieger and John as decoys.
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The Republic of Texas never has been nor ever will be Southern.
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