49ers announced 16,630 a few times last season. That wouldn't be bad if they got a sellout streak going like ODU.

We know for a fact that CUSA school fudge low attendance numbers so what's the point?

(08-16-2014 06:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(08-16-2014 12:36 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(08-16-2014 12:34 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  If you are going to finish with, "...that is just sad", you can take ODU off the list. S. B. Ballard Stadium has been sold out for every Monarch home game for the past five years -- all of the years for Monarch football since football was reinstated in 2009. ODU is in the early design/concept phase for a new and larger stadium to be ready in 2018. There is nothing sad about that, and support for ODU football is alive and flourishing.

This. Several schools don't have stadiums like the Sun Bowl, and would have much higher records if they did.

Not true, because if they did have bigger stadiums there would be more empty seats. It's just that they're not coming to the games.

We have real fans that do come to the games in both sports. If we have winning teams in both expect many sell-outs as that is the norm. Take me for instance, I have not gone to weddings of family members, or birthday parties if they schedule them on game days. I've been admonished for this but I tell them that they should have looked at the game schedule before making a date for their parties. And many UTEP fans are the same.

Gotta agree with ollie here. Schools generally build stadiums commensurate with the projected attendance figures they expect at games, and those attendance figures are based in large part upon the attendance said schools have had so far. Small stadiums generally mean that those schools have had lower attendance.

There are always exceptions of course, as some schools sell out their stadiums regularly but don't necessarily expand their facilities right away for lack of funds. In such scenarios, given the demand for tickets, they generally raise the prices a tad to generate a bit more revenue in the meantime until they can afford to expand.

All said, regardless of the reasons for UTEP's impressive attendance and how some dismiss it as there just not being anything else to do (which does have its merits to an extent), UTEP nevertheless is to be commended for having such high numbers given the struggles of their program, and their stadium size is definitely a reflection of the local interest in their football program.

Lord, how I loathe attendance navel-gazing. What on earth would provoke a UAB fan to start a thread about it? Masochism?

(08-17-2014 07:43 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(08-16-2014 01:39 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  8 of 14 don't even hold 35,000+. I'd say you're going to be disappointed a lot.

Stadium Capacity:
Legion Field 71,594
Alamodome 65,000
Sun Bowl 51,500
Rice Stadium 47,000
Joan C Edwards 38,227
M. M. Roberts Stadium 36,000
Apogee Stadium 30,850
Floyd Stadium 30,788
FAU Stadium 29,419
Joe Aillet Stadium 27,717
Smith Stadium 22,113
Foreman Field 20,118
FIU Stadium 20,000
Jerry Richardson Stadium 15,314

Word from the Charlotte fanbase is that the folks in the AD have scoffed at the idea of expanding the stadium in the forseeable future, even if there is excess season ticket demand. So, enjoy that perpetual attendance boat anchor, I guess?

AD hasn't scoffed anything, we are just in the dark about expansion plans which is very typical. I can't see us going into 2015 without some sort of expansion.

(08-16-2014 01:10 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Our list should have a couple new additions this year. We'll have large crowds for our games against WKU and BYU.

It made me smile when I read this post. I was at the MT v. ECU game last year for their HOMECOMING. 12,000 people in the stands....beautiful weather, with a 4 pm Saturday kick-off. Saddest thing I've seen in a long time. That MT Team on the field deserved better, I can tell you that much.

You should check and see if Vanderbilt is playing at home first before you makes those predictions. As that was how the Locals explained it to me...Everyone is at the Vandy game. Just plain sad....

(08-17-2014 10:48 AM)fedale Wrote:  We know for a fact that CUSA school fudge low attendance numbers so what's the point?

Is Tulane still here

(08-17-2014 05:44 PM)EddieThePirate Wrote:  

(08-16-2014 01:10 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Our list should have a couple new additions this year. We'll have large crowds for our games against WKU and BYU.

It made me smile when I read this post. I was at the MT v. ECU game last year for their HOMECOMING. 12,000 people in the stands....beautiful weather, with a 4 pm Saturday kick-off. Saddest thing I've seen in a long time. That MT Team on the field deserved better, I can tell you that much.

You should check and see if Vanderbilt is playing at home first before you makes those predictions. As that was how the Locals explained it to me...Everyone is at the Vandy game. Just plain sad....

BYU game is already heading to sell out territory. WKU is a rivalry game and we've had 20k in seats for years.

(08-17-2014 05:44 PM)EddieThePirate Wrote:  

(08-16-2014 01:10 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Our list should have a couple new additions this year. We'll have large crowds for our games against WKU and BYU.

It made me smile when I read this post. I was at the MT v. ECU game last year for their HOMECOMING. 12,000 people in the stands....beautiful weather, with a 4 pm Saturday kick-off. Saddest thing I've seen in a long time. That MT Team on the field deserved better, I can tell you that much.

You should check and see if Vanderbilt is playing at home first before you makes those predictions. As that was how the Locals explained it to me...Everyone is at the Vandy game. Just plain sad....

Well said... compound the Vandy factor with when the Vols are playing and you are right on the money.

The WKU game has had 20,000 or more in the past because most of the games have been played on Thurs. night, without competition from the SEC schools and with the UT-Oklahoma being slated to kick-off at the same time as WKU-MT on Sept. 13 and both games being on local TV, the sports bars in the area will have a field day, especially if MT loses to Minnesota the previous week, I will be surprised if 20,000 attend this game and even if there is that many, the stadium is still only two-thirds full.

26,000 students, 120,000 people in M'Boro and 250,000 people in Rutherford County, 15 seasons of D1 football and not ONE sellout in that time frame,with a stadium that only holds 30,000, it is sad,indeed.

All MT mens teams deserve better than what they are recieving, but it is just the way it is around here. There were more people at MT-UT WBB game last season, then there was for the final home FB game,11,000 for the BB game, announced 10,000 for FB game, on Senior Day, a team that ended-up an 8-4, going to a bowl game, 16-8 the last two regular seasons, probably the best record of any current C-USA team, but some MT faithful will carry the 20,000 in attendance for FB games as a badge of honor. Don't count on MT helping increase attendance for C-USA, it won't happen. There may be an increase with the BYU game, but the average will go way down when FAU comes to town on Nov.22nd for a 6:00 P.M. local kickoff time, not dogging FAU, just know what to expect from MT fans or lack thereof, it's Senior Night, but that doesn't seem to matter much.

Looking at the official NCAA numbers, Florida International and Florida Atlantic reported 15 and 14K attendance respectively. I've seen numerous posters comment about how poorly attended their games tend to be though both sport big student bodies.

While I realize that there's lots of competition from pro sports and other sports venues in S. Florida, could it be possible that the population as a whole is just not into football?

I ask because when I visit Miami, I don't even switch to English. It's easier to just speak Spanish and I assume hispanic populations as a whole may not be too interested in American football.

Can some of you F_U posters comment or correct me if I'm way off base here?

(08-18-2014 12:14 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Looking at the official NCAA numbers, Florida International and Florida Atlantic reported 15 and 14K attendance respectively. I've seen numerous posters comment about how poorly attended their games tend to be though both sport big student bodies.

While I realize that there's lots of competition from pro sports and other sports venues in S. Florida, could it be possible that the population as a whole is just not into football?

I ask because when I visit Miami, I don't even switch to English. It's easier to just speak Spanish and I assume hispanic populations as a whole may not be too interested in American football.

Can some of you F_U posters comment or correct me if I'm way off base here?

A big part of it is the fact that most people who live in the Miami metro really don't feel a huge connection to the state's sports teams, choosing to follow the hometown teams from the Northeast or be more interested in their native Latin American country's soccer/football team.

Most of the following in South Florida of American football is of Miami Hurricanes football. There's hardly any support for FIU and most people think of them more of a community college than anything else. They're sort of a joke when it comes to sports. Winning more might change that. Miami loves a winner. If you don't win it's insanely hard for any sports team to get support in S FL.

As I said in an earlier post there are SO many options for things to do down here that unless your winning and winning big, you just wont be well attended. Us Diehards will go but "joe blow" person in S. Florida wouldnt unless there was a winning program that made a splash. Eventually in about 10 years I could see us getting to 20K averages UNLESS we made a big splash. (LIke a 12-0 season).

Im sure it boils down to "hey should we go to watch FAU/FIU in 95 degree heat, or go to the beach?" Well I know what the majority would probably do.

Its because half of Florida is age 60 or above, retirees from New England who are baseball fans (Yankees).

(08-18-2014 12:47 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  As I said in an earlier post there are SO many options for things to do down here that unless your winning and winning big, you just wont be well attended. Us Diehards will go but "joe blow" person in S. Florida wouldnt unless there was a winning program that made a splash. Eventually in about 10 years I could see us getting to 20K averages UNLESS we made a big splash. (LIke a 12-0 season).

Im sure it boils down to "hey should we go to watch FAU/FIU in 95 degree heat, or go to the beach?" Well I know what the majority would probably do.

Yep. Miami faces the same problem. There ARE people who support FAU/FIU/UM but don't actually go to games, because everything is on TV nowadays and it's a lot easier to sit at home at the couch rather than sit at a hot stadium all day. When the competition is good (UM's ACC games and Dolphins games) more people show, but a lot of the time it's a real struggle against the very essence of being a part of south Florida.

(08-18-2014 12:57 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its because half of Florida is age 60 or above, retirees from New England who are baseball fans (Yankees).

South Florida has a ton of young people though. It is more of a problem with people being bad sports fans there. And there are a ton of transplants who support their teams.

I'm interested in what UTSA's attendance will be this year (my statistics degree and job leads me to look at stuff I shouldn't be interested in)

Avg attendance the last 3 years
2011 - 35,521
2012 - 29,226
2013 - 29,214

Median attendance the last 3 years
2011 - 32,628
2012 - 28,100
2013 - 25,970

That's a good size drop in median attendance every year even though the average stayed the same the last 2 years. So what does that mean? UTSA has had some big attendance games that skew up their averages.
2011 - 1st game for the program at 56k, but they also had 4 other 30k+ games
2012 - 39k vs neighbor TX State. 2 other games between 30k and 31k
2013 - 41k vs Okie St (1st home game against BCS/P5 team. Top 15 team). 32k vs UH (in state team that travels a core of 2-5k to close games). No other game broke 27k.

That brings us to 2014.
They do play Arizona at home. But I'm guessing an above average Pac12 team won't draw like a top 15 Big 12 team in Texas.
UTEP travels well, but not 40k well.
UNT - don't know how well they will travel there. I know there's a rivalry building. I think it depends on how well both teams are playing since it is the end of the year. If both teams are over .500 especially if they're battling for the division championship, there will be good attendance. If both teams are below expectations, possibly not. It will probably exceed 30k if expectations are met.
Beyond that you have UNM, FIU, and USM. Expect about 25k for those.

So my guess is the average and median are closer together without an outlier 40k game and UTSA averages closer to 27k. Possibilty of more if they vastly exceed expectations. There's a possibility that the median increases (a good sign for the long term health of the program) while the average attendance goes down.

(08-18-2014 01:50 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  I'm interested in what UTSA's attendance will be this year (my statistics degree and job leads me to look at stuff I shouldn't be interested in)

Avg attendance the last 3 years
2011 - 35,521
2012 - 29,226
2013 - 29,214

Median attendance the last 3 years
2011 - 32,628
2012 - 28,100
2013 - 25,970

That's a good size drop in median attendance every year even though the average stayed the same the last 2 years. So what does that mean? UTSA has had some big attendance games that skew up their averages.
2011 - 1st game for the program at 56k, but they also had 4 other 30k+ games
2012 - 39k vs neighbor TX State. 2 other games between 30k and 31k
2013 - 41k vs Okie St (1st home game against BCS/P5 team. Top 15 team). 32k vs UH (in state team that travels a core of 2-5k to close games). No other game broke 27k.

That brings us to 2014.
They do play Arizona at home. But I'm guessing an above average Pac12 team won't draw like a top 15 Big 12 team in Texas.
UTEP travels well, but not 40k well.
UNT - don't know how well they will travel there. I know there's a rivalry building. I think it depends on how well both teams are playing since it is the end of the year. If both teams are over .500 especially if they're battling for the division championship, there will be good attendance. If both teams are below expectations, possibly not. It will probably exceed 30k if expectations are met.
Beyond that you have UNM, FIU, and USM. Expect about 25k for those.

So my guess is the average and median are closer together without an outlier 40k game and UTSA averages closer to 27k. Possibilty of more if they vastly exceed expectations. There's a possibility that the median increases (a good sign for the long term health of the program) while the average attendance goes down.

I hope we have a good crowd travel to this game, but I have my worries. This game is on Thanksgiving weekend. I don't know how many Mean Green fans are going to cut their family Thanksgiving short and head to San Antonio. The game will have to have a lot of meaning for the C-USA West title. It looks like North Texas could travel over 2,000 fans from Denton to Austin, for the Texas game. If the western title is on the line, I could see a similar crowd traveling to the UTSA game. Add in the UNT fans living in the San Antonio area, and we could see a respectable number of Mean Green fans at this game.

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(08-19-2014 03:08 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  free chicken for everyone

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