(08-15-2014 10:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So the kid was walking away and then got shot in the back? then he spun around raised his hands saying he wasn't armed.. and was shot again... Come on..

My guess:

Mr. Brown was under suspicion for the robbery charge. (again, that's what's going on)
Got in a scuffle at the car with the officer
Tried to grab the gun... (rumoured shot in the officer's car?) but failed IF there was a shot in the car, that I'm not sure of
Ran.. officer shot at him. Hit him in the back
Brown was spun around, and the second shot hit him

I'd by that more than I would about him getting shot in the back and then raising his hands and turning around saying "I don't have a gun!".

That's if he was shot in the back. (anyone seeing a report that says he was? I know the reports have said he was shot multiple times)

Autopsy hasn't been released yet.. The family did request a 2nd autopsy though..

I didn't think it had been yet g...

(08-15-2014 10:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So the kid was walking away and then got shot in the back? then he spun around raised his hands saying he wasn't armed.. and was shot again... Come on..

My guess:

Mr. Brown was under suspicion for the robbery charge. (again, that's what's going on)
Got in a scuffle at the car with the officer
Tried to grab the gun... (rumoured shot in the officer's car?) but failed IF there was a shot in the car, that I'm not sure of
Ran.. officer shot at him. Hit him in the back
Brown was spun around, and the second shot hit him

I'd by that more than I would about him getting shot in the back and then raising his hands and turning around saying "I don't have a gun!".

That's if he was shot in the back. (anyone seeing a report that says he was? I know the reports have said he was shot multiple times)

So I'll put you down as not believing the eye witnesses.

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(08-15-2014 10:34 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I didn't think it had been yet g...

Yea the Chief of Police was waiting because a "key witness" was holding out.. The Chief wanted to get all eye witness accounts in first so the autopsy wouldn't sway any accounts.. Smart move.

(08-15-2014 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So the kid was walking away and then got shot in the back? then he spun around raised his hands saying he wasn't armed.. and was shot again... Come on..

My guess:

Mr. Brown was under suspicion for the robbery charge. (again, that's what's going on)
Got in a scuffle at the car with the officer
Tried to grab the gun... (rumoured shot in the officer's car?) but failed IF there was a shot in the car, that I'm not sure of
Ran.. officer shot at him. Hit him in the back
Brown was spun around, and the second shot hit him

I'd by that more than I would about him getting shot in the back and then raising his hands and turning around saying "I don't have a gun!".

That's if he was shot in the back. (anyone seeing a report that says he was? I know the reports have said he was shot multiple times)

So I'll put you down as not believing the eye witnesses.

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Right now, I don't know what to believe , other than there was 'interaction' at the police car between the officer and the kid (unchallenged by any witnesses so far), and the kid was shot 35 feet away from the cruiser.

(08-15-2014 10:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What can't both sides take a step back and realize what this is. A tragedy!!!! That either side tries to make political hay out of this at this juncture is sickening to me. Let's let calmer heads prevail. A total cooling of the area at any means necessary. Have some empathy for both sides for on e. The cops and the victims. We don't know enough. That both sides bring the pitch forks and torches IMMEDIATELY!!!! It truly disgusts me.

This hasn't been political at all, it's been all about a false sense of racism.

(08-15-2014 10:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So the kid was walking away and then got shot in the back? then he spun around raised his hands saying he wasn't armed.. and was shot again... Come on..

My guess:

Mr. Brown was under suspicion for the robbery charge. (again, that's what's going on)
Got in a scuffle at the car with the officer
Tried to grab the gun... (rumoured shot in the officer's car?) but failed IF there was a shot in the car, that I'm not sure of
Ran.. officer shot at him. Hit him in the back
Brown was spun around, and the second shot hit him

I'd by that more than I would about him getting shot in the back and then raising his hands and turning around saying "I don't have a gun!".

That's if he was shot in the back. (anyone seeing a report that says he was? I know the reports have said he was shot multiple times)

So I'll put you down as not believing the eye witnesses.

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Right now, I don't know what to believe , other than there was 'interaction' at the police car between the officer and the kid (unchallenged by any witnesses so far), and the kid was shot 35 feet away from the cruiser.

Yes

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That information alone is not enough to say it's 1st degree murder.

Now the question is, in the scene from the store robber, is that his buddy doing look out and now does his account of what happened become tainted?

(08-15-2014 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So the kid was walking away and then got shot in the back? then he spun around raised his hands saying he wasn't armed.. and was shot again... Come on..

My guess:

Mr. Brown was under suspicion for the robbery charge. (again, that's what's going on)
Got in a scuffle at the car with the officer
Tried to grab the gun... (rumoured shot in the officer's car?) but failed IF there was a shot in the car, that I'm not sure of
Ran.. officer shot at him. Hit him in the back
Brown was spun around, and the second shot hit him

I'd by that more than I would about him getting shot in the back and then raising his hands and turning around saying "I don't have a gun!".

That's if he was shot in the back. (anyone seeing a report that says he was? I know the reports have said he was shot multiple times)

So I'll put you down as not believing the eye witnesses.

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I'll take the cop's word over the thief's word, so you can put me in that category. And though you probably won't believe this, it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with responsibility.

Who b I'd the thief?

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(08-15-2014 10:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  That information alone is not enough to say it's 1st degree murder.

Now the question is, in the scene from the store robber, is that his buddy doing look out and now does his account of what happened become tainted?

Absolutely. And he becomes the other suspect in the robbery and should be arrested. And it's ridiculous the way Brown was bullying that small framed store clerk. Dude was like 5' tall and 90 pounds.

Yes race and politics go hand in hand...............


Both sides are on the attack. Both sides need to take a step back and the only legitimate concern should be pacifying the area AT ALL COSTS! Plenty of time for the speculation and other crap later.

(08-15-2014 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Who b I'd the thief?

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Who IS the thief?

His buddy that is a witness. I don't trust anyone that steals.

Why are we even speculating???? Seriously????? This only adds fuel to the fire.

(08-15-2014 11:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yes race and politics go hand in hand...............


Both sides are on the attack. Both sides need to take a step back and the only legitimate concern should be pacifying the area AT ALL COSTS! Plenty of time for the speculation and other crap later.

I agree with the second part of your post, but why do you think politics and race go together?

But there is a female witness as well whose story is the same as the friend.

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(08-15-2014 11:03 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why are we even speculating???? Seriously????? This only adds fuel to the fire.

There is proof that Brown and the witness are/were thieves. That's not speculation, and I'm sorry, but I don't trust thieves. They don't deserve to die, but they can't be trusted either.

(08-15-2014 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  But there is a female witness as well whose story is the same as the friend.

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And where was she during all of this? And why did it take a few days for her to come forward? Too much of this story doesn't add up.

(08-15-2014 11:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Both sides need to take a step back and the only legitimate concern should be pacifying the area AT ALL COSTS! Plenty of time for the speculation and other crap later.

I agree in principle, but AT ALL COSTS might mean bringing the jackbooted thugs in an busting heads.

Do I think you mean that? No. Do I think it reads that way? Pretty much.

I'll take the cop's word over the thief's word, so you can put me in that category. And though you probably won't believe this, it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with responsibility.
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That is the only way you can look at this. The word of an "accomplice to a crime" means nothing. No credibility compared to the spotless record of the officer.