Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

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There just isn't a good reason for not requiring English.

(08-14-2014 04:28 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 04:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 04:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 04:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 03:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It would significantly hinder voting which is the main reason conservatives want this.

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How do you say "Mitt Romney" in Spanish?

I've given you practical reasons why a basic amount of English is good for not only individuals but society as a whole. But of course when someone disagrees with you they hate immigrants..

Learning English should be a priority for all immigrants (and in practice, for most it is) - however, not everyone is able to pick up a second language instantly, and there needs to be a sufficient number of bilingual speakers in emergency areas (police, fire, etc).

Given the fact there are thousands of spoken language/dialect combinations spoken in the united states I suppose that means we need each and every one spoken by every police department and hospital admission staff in the nation...

Starting to see why libs are so against this... Think of all the government workers in the Unions..

Quote:And then there are the native Americans - one of my fraternity brothers grew up speaking only Navajo, learning English only when he went to school). There are still a number of older Navajos that don't speak English - should they be ignored?

No they should learn to say "My name is [name]... I live at [ address ]... and my Chest hurts

Or I'd like to vote for Obama can you please help me (to poll workers)...

Or are you suggesting we print thousands of different ballots?

You obviously can't plan for every language spoken, or every foreign vistors. You can make reasonable accommodations based on the area you live in - Hmong in MSP, Vietnamese in Houston - etc.


Areas with large Native populations already print ballots and materials in those languages, here in Arizona. As they should

Hmong in Minneapolis have more rights than Koreans... Good to know..

(08-14-2014 08:52 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Nothing is more important IMO than being able to communicate effectively in the native language.

Exactly! The Constitution is in English. Our laws are in English. Our money is in English. The one thing the government should standardize/regulate they don't.

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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Just like voter ID....Reasonable people can come to whatever accommodation necessary to solve these problems. Can't afford an ID? We can help.....Can't afford to take English classes?.....We can help.
Everything else is just a lame ass excuse, lazy or you have an ulterior motive.

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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Fit, you know I love you like the Latino brutha I never had, and some day we'll do L&J's (without the rodents, of course) but damn, you are the second biggest racist on this board.

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

Stupid


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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

Stupid


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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

(08-14-2014 10:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

Stupid


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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

+1

(08-14-2014 10:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:11 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Fit is fluent in at least three languages:

Espanol

English

Stupid


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You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

Absolutely not. I am a product of immigrants who learned English and city where thousands have learned English. It doesn't need to be the official language for that to happen and doing it doesn't make it happen faster.

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(08-14-2014 10:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

Absolutely not. I am a product of immigrants who learned English and city where thousands have learned English. It doesn't need to be the official language for that to happen and doing it doesn't make it happen faster.

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If you couldn't habla Cracker you wouldn't be a teacher or on this board.

(08-14-2014 10:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You on the other hand are fluent in one. ... Racism

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I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

Absolutely not. I am a product of immigrants who learned English and city where thousands have learned English. It doesn't need to be the official language for that to happen and doing it doesn't make it happen faster.

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It is a new paradigm Fit. I agree in the past it was not necessary. Im not on that page now. Im willing to help them. I want them to be successful here. That is literally impossible unless they are proficient in the English language. We already see the impact of this now. Those that can communicate effectively often are the "boss" over packs of workers and control them like slave owners. I see this all over my area and I am sure this is not a regional problem.

(08-14-2014 10:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

Absolutely not. I am a product of immigrants who learned English and city where thousands have learned English. It doesn't need to be the official language for that to happen and doing it doesn't make it happen faster.

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It is a new paradigm Fit. I agree in the past it was not necessary. Im not on that page now. Im willing to help them. I want them to be successful here. That is literally impossible unless they are proficient in the English language. We already see the impact of this now. Those that can communicate effectively often are the "boss" over packs of workers and control them like slave owners. I see this all over my area and I am sure this is not a regional problem.

Fo, while you're probably right, political correctness will one day demand that the person who can't be understood lead the way.

(08-14-2014 10:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I would submit that allowing immigrants to remain ignorant and uneducated is racist.

How does not knowing English make them ignorant and uneducated?

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In the context of this topic....both.

Evidently you support keeping the brown folks down.

Absolutely not. I am a product of immigrants who learned English and city where thousands have learned English. It doesn't need to be the official language for that to happen and doing it doesn't make it happen faster.

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It is a new paradigm Fit. I agree in the past it was not necessary. Im not on that page now. Im willing to help them. I want them to be successful here. That is literally impossible unless they are proficient in the English language. We already see the impact of this now. Those that can communicate effectively often are the "boss" over packs of workers and control them like slave owners. I see this all over my area and I am sure this is not a regional problem.

Which is why I would support it if there was federal funds to help adults learn English. The real push behind this law however is disenfranchisement.

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(08-14-2014 10:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Fo, while you're probably right, political correctness will one day demand that the person who can't be understood lead the way.

Did we not elect (not by my vote!) such an individual to two terms of the highest office in this land?

Having one language has always been one of our strengths.

Do it. It's de facto anyway. Any difference it would make wouldn't be apparent, so nobody would get any sort of satisfaction from it.

(08-15-2014 07:55 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Do it. It's de facto anyway. Any difference it would make wouldn't be apparent, so nobody would get any sort of satisfaction from it.

Im not so sure. There is an entire industry surrounding this. It would be interesting to know how much money the government spends annually on this issue. Just having to provide translators at schools and government agencies is probably a tidy sum. Once a standard is put in place, those that choose to not adhere to it would be ostracized. What we do now is simply give them an accommodation.

My wife has to provide by law a Spanish speaking translator at our local Health Department. That person has a salary of over 30k. There are 100 Health Departments in NC. Conservatively, we are talking about over 300K alone just for translators. I imagine this is similar is all 50 states.

I think setting a standard might have more impact than we think.