Quote:I can agree with not taking care of yourself leads to serious problems down the road. Will it affect our country?

Definitely. The more unhealthy the country, the more costs to all the citizens -- regardless of how health insurance situations are set up.

Quote:The whole thing that started this conversation is you called some girl who is probably moderately overweight fat and said that her arms could feed a family of 4. That's f**king rude no matter how you slice it.

It's rude, but let's be fair here. It's an Internet picture on an Internet forum where the girl isn't at. AND the concept is that she was Hiding her flub, shown through the reflection which definitely changed her attraction. So razzing her -- in places that she won't see as well -- is warranted, IMO.

The concept is how Internet pictures can deceive a viewer on their attraction level. That was an example! Not a Great example, as there are better examples -- but still one to make a point I guess! :)

(08-10-2014 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:The whole thing that started this conversation is you called some girl who is probably moderately overweight fat and said that her arms could feed a family of 4. That's f**king rude no matter how you slice it.

It's rude, but let's be fair here. It's an Internet picture on an Internet forum where the girl isn't at. AND the concept is that she was Hiding her flub, shown through the reflection which definitely changed her attraction. So razzing her -- in places that she won't see as well -- is warranted, IMO.

The concept is how Internet pictures can deceive a viewer on their attraction level. That was an example! Not a Great example, as there are better examples -- but still one to make a point I guess! :)

Agree that making a comment in a thread post vs. saying something rude directly to a person are not the same thing. However, I think it also illustrates the different perceptions that some folks have regarding what is considered a tad heavy vs. overweight vs. morbidly obese, etc. It also shows the differences we have in determining what makes someone attractive. Personally, I don't think the woman in the photo is unattractive to the point she should be "razzed" because of her weight. She may have a lot of class and much to offer in terms of her intellect, personality and heart. If anything, she could be criticized for not revealing her true figure if intentional. The problem I have with obesity (outside of medical related issues) are the folks that make NO effort to live healthier lives in terms of the foods they eat and the lack of any physical activity.

(08-10-2014 07:53 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:The whole thing that started this conversation is you called some girl who is probably moderately overweight fat and said that her arms could feed a family of 4. That's f**king rude no matter how you slice it.

It's rude, but let's be fair here. It's an Internet picture on an Internet forum where the girl isn't at. AND the concept is that she was Hiding her flub, shown through the reflection which definitely changed her attraction. So razzing her -- in places that she won't see as well -- is warranted, IMO.

The concept is how Internet pictures can deceive a viewer on their attraction level. That was an example! Not a Great example, as there are better examples -- but still one to make a point I guess! :)

Agree that making a comment in a thread post vs. saying something rude directly to a person are not the same thing. However, I think it also illustrates the different perceptions that some folks have regarding what is considered a tad heavy vs. overweight vs. morbidly obese, etc. It also shows the differences we have in determining what makes someone attractive. Personally, I don't think the woman in the photo is unattractive to the point she should be "razzed" because of her weight. She may have a lot of class and much to offer in terms of her intellect, personality and heart. If anything, she could be criticized for not revealing her true figure if intentional. The problem I have with obesity (outside of medical related issues) are the folks that make NO effort to live healthier lives in terms of the foods they eat and the lack of any physical activity.

this is all I was looking for

(08-08-2014 01:55 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 07:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think I see the problem... It's not that swoosh is a d*bag.. It's that he's a kid and thinks he has the world figured out.

oh I've hardly figured it all out. Who has? I try to learn a little bit every day and hopefully grow my knowledge base. If you disagree with what I've said, that's fine, just don't insult me. But if you feel the need to do that, it's fine too.

I don't see where I've insulted you.. You were called a d*bag earlier in the thread.. However I think you've probably insulted a few people here with the holy than thou attitude about health. We get it, you're 20 years old, zero body fat, and can cut the weight as quick as you put it on.

Quote:Personally, I don't think the woman in the photo is unattractive to the point she should be "razzed" because of her weight.

I do. Well, she's razzed because she's making a deceptive photo that's revealed by her huge, flabby arms in the reflection.

Quote:She may have a lot of class and much to offer in terms of her intellect, personality and heart.

She's trying to pull a stunt hiding her true (unattractive) looks and got burned. She has just as much a chance (note poor, deceptive attempt by her) of not having all that class, intellect, personality, and heart. Her photo certainly wasn't classy in spirit and she deserves to get razzed for it. And on a forum far away from the gal, on an Internet site about an Internet pic? Much less constraints about PC-talk about said person in said pic.

(08-11-2014 07:54 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 01:55 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 07:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think I see the problem... It's not that swoosh is a d*bag.. It's that he's a kid and thinks he has the world figured out.

oh I've hardly figured it all out. Who has? I try to learn a little bit every day and hopefully grow my knowledge base. If you disagree with what I've said, that's fine, just don't insult me. But if you feel the need to do that, it's fine too.

I don't see where I've insulted you.. You were called a d*bag earlier in the thread.. However I think you've probably insulted a few people here with the holy than thou attitude about health. We get it, you're 20 years old, zero body fat, and can cut the weight as quick as you put it on.

first thing, drop it, it doens't matter. I hold no enmity towards you, so why are we still talking about the insult? Secondly, that isn't me at all, but I understand I'm the only one who isn't allowed to generalize. I'm almost 27, I definitely, definitely do not have zero body fat and lord knows I gain weight far easier than I drop it. One pint of ice cream and I'll gain a few pounds. So I just avoid it altogether; much easier that way. I'm currently 5'6" and around 150-155 (I never weigh myself so I'm not sure of the exact weight). Approximately 10 years ago I was 185 and a few years ago I was over 170.

You might read that description with a sneer on your face and proceed to call me a liar, but I have no reason to lie. The truth is plain and needs no embellishment. I imagine that taking nearly 7 years off my age (and in the process I assume, trying to paint me as someone who knows nothing of the world) is an attempt to speak about anything other than the point I'm trying to make.

(08-11-2014 03:39 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 07:54 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 01:55 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 07:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think I see the problem... It's not that swoosh is a d*bag.. It's that he's a kid and thinks he has the world figured out.

oh I've hardly figured it all out. Who has? I try to learn a little bit every day and hopefully grow my knowledge base. If you disagree with what I've said, that's fine, just don't insult me. But if you feel the need to do that, it's fine too.

I don't see where I've insulted you.. You were called a d*bag earlier in the thread.. However I think you've probably insulted a few people here with the holy than thou attitude about health. We get it, you're 20 years old, zero body fat, and can cut the weight as quick as you put it on.

first thing, drop it, it doens't matter. I hold no enmity towards you, so why are we still talking about the insult? Secondly, that isn't me at all, but I understand I'm the only one who isn't allowed to generalize. I'm almost 27, I definitely, definitely do not have zero body fat and lord knows I gain weight far easier than I drop it. One pint of ice cream and I'll gain a few pounds. So I just avoid it altogether; much easier that way. I'm currently 5'6" and around 150-155 (I never weigh myself so I'm not sure of the exact weight). Approximately 10 years ago I was 185 and a few years ago I was over 170.

You might read that description with a sneer on your face and proceed to call me a liar, but I have no reason to lie. The truth is plain and needs no embellishment. I imagine that taking nearly 7 years off my age (and in the process I assume, trying to paint me as someone who knows nothing of the world) is an attempt to speak about anything other than the point I'm trying to make.

Dude, I don't. I think the problem is you came in and made a blanket comment about how overweight people disgust you. It tends to ruffle feathers.

Do I care if I disgust you or not, nah. I got plenty of buddies and I'm happily married, my days of impressing folks is almost over.

When it comes to health, I can tell you what I've tried, I can tell you the things I've read, and I can tell you how I've done it and relapsed. But one thing always remains the same. If you don't get sleep, if you let stress run your life, if you eat crap food and don't move around, you won't be healthy. You can eat crap food and run 10 miles a day, and you'll look healthy but won't be healthy.

I think that's the point everyone tends to miss. I think as a whole, our entire society looks for a quick fix. Whether it's the Atkins diet, no carb diet, Paleo, Crossfit, Get Slim pills, fat burner in a bottle, etc. I'll elude back to the health halo I talked about. You can't go to Subway, eat 2 meatball subs, 2 cookies, and drink a diet coke and walk for 10 minutes and expect results.

Does not eating sugar work for everyone, it worked for you, but it may not work for me (who am I kidding, I cut probably cut some sugar out my diet). I'll reference the sweet spot and what your goals are as to health and fitness. I work with a tri-athlete. He eats fried greasy foods every day. But every morning he swims for an hour, in the evenings he runs a few miles, and he bikes other days. He's as thin as a rail. We see the outside, but we don't know the inside.

Then you take someone like me. I'm built big. I've got a large frame. I've got what they call an endomorph frame. I can carry 250 comfortably and like some say look like I'm wasting away. It's the way I'm built. I'd love to get back down to that right now, but I'm going a different route to get there, but like everything else, I gotta put in the work. I'm working on that. And honestly, if my diet is in check with hitting my protein, carbs, sodium, and watching my sugar (I'm a fruit freak and there's a ton in natural fruits), if I hit the gym and work my lifts right, and hit my cardio right, I can lose more inches than lbs. I'd much rather lose the inches right now than the pounds.

Do I go buy fat burners? No. Done that, I've had better success without them.

Do I go do a fad diet? No. Done that. I've found eat good 20 meals and 14 snacks, and one over indulgence won't hurt. (Not saying some of these diets out there don't work. It's all about moderation and watching what you put in your body. Remember crap in, crap out.)

When I'm eating clean (by that I mean no processed foods except for either a granola bar I've packed away and eating whole foods and good proteins) and my workout is in check, I can easily drop weight, inches, etc., in a few weeks. My biggest problem is I think I have it all under control, I relapse, and go on a bender. It's my way of thinking, that I've got to control. Or I'm doing well and we go on vacation for a week, and the week never ends til 5 months later.

I do commend the self control you say you have. I do. I've got to find my sweet spot again and learn to control.

Quote:Do I care if I disgust you or not, nah. I got plenty of buddies and I'm happily married, my days of impressing folks is almost over.

You shouldn't care about what I think, but about the amount of respect you have for yourself and your country. I think we have a responsibility to each other to take care of ourselves as best as we can. People can spend their whole lives eating whatever they wish, but I believe it's selfish. Especially now that we know how many health issues are the result of poor diet.

Quote:When it comes to health, I can tell you what I've tried, I can tell you the things I've read, and I can tell you how I've done it and relapsed. But one thing always remains the same. If you don't get sleep, if you let stress run your life, if you eat crap food and don't move around, you won't be healthy. You can eat crap food and run 10 miles a day, and you'll look healthy but won't be healthy.

Didn't even need to be said. I completely agree with this

Quote:I think that's the point everyone tends to miss. I think as a whole, our entire society looks for a quick fix. Whether it's the Atkins diet, no carb diet, Paleo, Crossfit, Get Slim pills, fat burner in a bottle, etc. I'll elude back to the health halo I talked about. You can't go to Subway, eat 2 meatball subs, 2 cookies, and drink a diet coke and walk for 10 minutes and expect results.

Again, completely agree.

Quote:Does not eating sugar work for everyone, it worked for you, but it may not work for me (who am I kidding, I cut probably cut some sugar out my diet). I'll reference the sweet spot and what your goals are as to health and fitness. I work with a tri-athlete. He eats fried greasy foods every day. But every morning he swims for an hour, in the evenings he runs a few miles, and he bikes other days. He's as thin as a rail. We see the outside, but we don't know the inside.

You basically said it at the beginning of this quote, but I believe there are certain foods that people should absolutely not be eating. it doesn't matter what your philosophy towards health is; sugar, processed foods, soda, etc. are not good for you. And yes I agree with your point about the guy you work with: What he's doing isn't healthy

Quote:Then you take someone like me. I'm built big. I've got a large frame. I've got what they call an endomorph frame. I can carry 250 comfortably and like some say look like I'm wasting away. It's the way I'm built. I'd love to get back down to that right now, but I'm going a different route to get there, but like everything else, I gotta put in the work. I'm working on that. And honestly, if my diet is in check with hitting my protein, carbs, sodium, and watching my sugar (I'm a fruit freak and there's a ton in natural fruits), if I hit the gym and work my lifts right, and hit my cardio right, I can lose more inches than lbs. I'd much rather lose the inches right now than the pounds.

Again, agree with this wholeheartedly. I can carry a decent amount of weight (although clearly not as much as you) and I agree that it's about changing the shape of your body, not necessarily losing pounds. That's the reason I never weigh myself. The number on the scale just doesn't matter.

Quote:Do I go do a fad diet? No. Done that. I've found eat good 20 meals and 14 snacks, and one over indulgence won't hurt. (Not saying some of these diets out there don't work. It's all about moderation and watching what you put in your body. Remember crap in, crap out.)

I'll say this, I don't believe the way I eat is a fad diet (not saying you said it was such). Hell, I don't even consider it a diet. To me it's just my lifestyle. Meat, fish, vegetables, some potatoes, very little rice, seasonal fruit, dark chocolate and tea.

Quote:I do commend the self control you say you have. I do. I've got to find my sweet spot again and learn to control.

Thanks, I appreciate that and FWIW it sounds like you're trying to get to a point with which you're comfortable and that's what matters. My whole point in this thread was basically that there are way too many people who are obese and yet continue to eat very poorly with absolutely no regard for the way it affects them, the people who care about them and the future of the country. Many people in this thread disagree on that, but I believe the future of the country is brighter when people make an attempt to lead healthier lives. Again, I think there are too many people who aren't doing that. Not people like you who can carry a lot of weight and are in a constant struggle to keep it in check, or BucFyre who has many of the same problems and has been working her ass off trying to keep the weight off; I'm talking about those people who are getting bigger and bigger and are doing absolutely nothing about it. Not even the minimum like eating a burger without the bun or cutting out the eggroll when ordering Chinese.

Also want to add that I appreciate the well thought out post. I think the more we talk this stuff through, the more likely we'll be to begin to tackle the problem.

As much as I hate to say it, I think some people see themselves like on a rewards system... I did 10 sit ups, I can have a Big Mac.

I look at the workout I did last night. I walked out of the gym a sweaty mess that was hungry, but didn't want anything greasy.. Actually didn't want food. Food was the last thing on my mind.

It's a pity we couldn't have gotten this argument in the fat chicks thread on the Babe of the Day board. That's where it was needed IMO.

I think this could be a better thread if a few posts (mine included) were worded differently at the beginning.

The picture of the girl. I don't see it misleading.. Online dating is supposed to be like a box of chocolates, you're not really sure what you'll get. I mean how many stories have we heard of someone going to meet Terri and end up meeting Terry with a mustache.

I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

(08-12-2014 10:13 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

Now that is a good point.

For the record, I haven't been on a dating site ever.. I once met a girl from a chat room.. I think she was a girl. Her voice was as deep as mine. Had a mustache as thick as mine..

I'm pretty sure her hands were as big as her balls.

(08-12-2014 08:57 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think this could be a better thread if a few posts (mine included) were worded differently at the beginning.

Yes I completely agree. I feel like I made a few ill-fated comments that colored the rest of my points.

(08-12-2014 10:13 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

I've been on OkCupid, especially when I lived in NY, where the dating scene is a sh*t show. And like Tinder, those sites are really just visually dominated and it trains you (guys and girls alike) to only think about what people look like. Not an excuse, just explaining the truth of it.

My first date on the site was with a girl who seemed really cool. We had talked every day for a week leading up to our date. Her pictures showed her to probably be a few pounds overweight, but hardly a big deal. I get to the restaurant before her and when she shows up I see a girl with multiple rolls, and not only when she's sitting down. I don't know when those pics were taken, or from what angle, but I was disappointed.

OTOH I had dates with a couple girls who were at least as pretty in person as they were in their pictures. One was a very nice girl and the other was nice, but a little immature. I don't need to hear the story about when you got very drunk and vomited on the subway.

Anyway, I think dating sites can make people crazy and train them to generally distrust pictures, especially ones that come from a dating site.

(08-12-2014 01:30 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:13 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

I've been on OkCupid, especially when I lived in NY, where the dating scene is a sh*t show. And like Tinder, those sites are really just visually dominated and it trains you (guys and girls alike) to only think about what people look like. Not an excuse, just explaining the truth of it.

My first date on the site was with a girl who seemed really cool. We had talked every day for a week leading up to our date. Her pictures showed her to probably be a few pounds overweight, but hardly a big deal. I get to the restaurant before her and when she shows up I see a girl with multiple rolls, and not only when she's sitting down. I don't know when those pics were taken, or from what angle, but I was disappointed.

OTOH I had dates with a couple girls who were at least as pretty in person as they were in their pictures. One was a very nice girl and the other was nice, but a little immature. I don't need to hear the story about when you got very drunk and vomited on the subway.

Anyway, I think dating sites can make people crazy and train them to generally distrust pictures, especially ones that come from a dating site.

You've missed the point. He's mocking someone for being fat but he's on a dating site. Why isn't he meeting a nice young lady at the bar/library/coffee shop/club/etc.

Seems to me that maybe OP isn't quite so perfect either.

(08-12-2014 01:53 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:30 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:13 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

I've been on OkCupid, especially when I lived in NY, where the dating scene is a sh*t show. And like Tinder, those sites are really just visually dominated and it trains you (guys and girls alike) to only think about what people look like. Not an excuse, just explaining the truth of it.

My first date on the site was with a girl who seemed really cool. We had talked every day for a week leading up to our date. Her pictures showed her to probably be a few pounds overweight, but hardly a big deal. I get to the restaurant before her and when she shows up I see a girl with multiple rolls, and not only when she's sitting down. I don't know when those pics were taken, or from what angle, but I was disappointed.

OTOH I had dates with a couple girls who were at least as pretty in person as they were in their pictures. One was a very nice girl and the other was nice, but a little immature. I don't need to hear the story about when you got very drunk and vomited on the subway.

Anyway, I think dating sites can make people crazy and train them to generally distrust pictures, especially ones that come from a dating site.

You've missed the point. He's mocking someone for being fat but he's on a dating site. Why isn't he meeting a nice young lady at the bar/library/coffee shop/club/etc.

Seems to me that maybe OP isn't quite so perfect either.

pretty sure those two things are incongruous. What does his being on a dating site have to do with anything? I don't get why you're making him out to be some kind of animal, just due to him being on a dating site. Of course he's not perfect; no one is perfect.

oh and you want him to meet a "nice young lady" at a bar or club? You need to put down the bong.

the real reason you're angry is because those initial comments were about a woman. If they had been about a guy, you wouldn't have an issue

(08-12-2014 02:19 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:53 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:30 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:13 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

I've been on OkCupid, especially when I lived in NY, where the dating scene is a sh*t show. And like Tinder, those sites are really just visually dominated and it trains you (guys and girls alike) to only think about what people look like. Not an excuse, just explaining the truth of it.

My first date on the site was with a girl who seemed really cool. We had talked every day for a week leading up to our date. Her pictures showed her to probably be a few pounds overweight, but hardly a big deal. I get to the restaurant before her and when she shows up I see a girl with multiple rolls, and not only when she's sitting down. I don't know when those pics were taken, or from what angle, but I was disappointed.

OTOH I had dates with a couple girls who were at least as pretty in person as they were in their pictures. One was a very nice girl and the other was nice, but a little immature. I don't need to hear the story about when you got very drunk and vomited on the subway.

Anyway, I think dating sites can make people crazy and train them to generally distrust pictures, especially ones that come from a dating site.

You've missed the point. He's mocking someone for being fat but he's on a dating site. Why isn't he meeting a nice young lady at the bar/library/coffee shop/club/etc.

Seems to me that maybe OP isn't quite so perfect either.

pretty sure those two things are incongruous. What does his being on a dating site have to do with anything? I don't get why you're making him out to be some kind of animal, just due to him being on a dating site. Of course he's not perfect; no one is perfect.

oh and you want him to meet a "nice young lady" at a bar or club? You need to put down the bong.

the real reason you're angry is because those initial comments were about a woman. If they had been about a guy, you wouldn't have an issue

I met my wife at a bar...

(08-12-2014 02:25 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:19 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:53 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:30 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:13 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  I'm just fascinated with the fact that the OP is calling out a girl for being 'fat' on a dating site when he's on the dating site to begin with. What secrets is the OP hiding? That's the real question, imo.

I've been on OkCupid, especially when I lived in NY, where the dating scene is a sh*t show. And like Tinder, those sites are really just visually dominated and it trains you (guys and girls alike) to only think about what people look like. Not an excuse, just explaining the truth of it.

My first date on the site was with a girl who seemed really cool. We had talked every day for a week leading up to our date. Her pictures showed her to probably be a few pounds overweight, but hardly a big deal. I get to the restaurant before her and when she shows up I see a girl with multiple rolls, and not only when she's sitting down. I don't know when those pics were taken, or from what angle, but I was disappointed.

OTOH I had dates with a couple girls who were at least as pretty in person as they were in their pictures. One was a very nice girl and the other was nice, but a little immature. I don't need to hear the story about when you got very drunk and vomited on the subway.

Anyway, I think dating sites can make people crazy and train them to generally distrust pictures, especially ones that come from a dating site.

You've missed the point. He's mocking someone for being fat but he's on a dating site. Why isn't he meeting a nice young lady at the bar/library/coffee shop/club/etc.

Seems to me that maybe OP isn't quite so perfect either.

pretty sure those two things are incongruous. What does his being on a dating site have to do with anything? I don't get why you're making him out to be some kind of animal, just due to him being on a dating site. Of course he's not perfect; no one is perfect.

oh and you want him to meet a "nice young lady" at a bar or club? You need to put down the bong.

the real reason you're angry is because those initial comments were about a woman. If they had been about a guy, you wouldn't have an issue

I met my wife at a bar...

i stand corrected

Honestly.. You can meet people anywhere, you just gotta know what your looking for and get past the awkward stage.

I'm a goofy f*cker. So at a bar, grocery store, church, rodeo, etc., I'd use a lame pick up line or a move I lovingly call "the seductive wink"... And you'll either get a look of disgust or a giggle. If I got a giggle I'd go to work. Were they all winners, well no, only one was.

If I was the type not looking for someone and looking for a quick hook up, the internet would be where I'd look using a dating site. I never was that guy. Not saying anything bad bout smn.