It really pisses me off that ND is considered part of the P5, despite their refusal to join a conference in Football. In the old BCS days, they got an invite to a BCS bowl if they were in the top 10. It was automatic. The days of the Fighting Irish being relevant year in and year out have come and gone. They even ended their series with Michigan (though they continue to play Purdue) because they have to play more ACC teams.

ND is fueled by money from their contract with NBC. Unfortunately, they have enough fans AND haters that they get ratings. As Alabama proved two years ago, they can waltz through their schedule with no losses and still get lit up by a true BCS contender.

(08-11-2014 08:48 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:46 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  What a piece of trash. I'd love to smack that jackarse in the mouth.

I can see the front page of ESPN now... Texas Athletic Director Assaulted by Disgruntled Pirate.

(08-11-2014 08:48 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:39 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  These people are crazy and somebody needs to stop them before ruin college sports. When the system is setup for them to make money and win how can you blame the other schools for not making money or creating interest. Heck there only a handful of schools in the power five that really define the those conferences, the rest of that group is full of schools that could be substituted with schools in the American and Mountain West and the quality of those leagues wouldn't change.

All we want is a fair system the gives every school an opportunity to compete for a national championship and enough resources to do it. Will the power five schools occupying the bottom end become targets for Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and company because they are not pulling their own weight.

STOP IT!! THATS OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT SPORTS ARE ABOUT ANYMORE! HAVE YOU NOT BEEN LISTENING TO ESPN!!! Jeez, get with the times man...

Sadily this is true. If MLB was run the way the power brokers in CFB want it, the regular season would still be played, but only the Yankees and Red Sox would ever make the playoffs due to strength of schedule.

(08-11-2014 08:27 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Quote in the New York Times.

He said if the Division I universities on the outside looking in want to make it to the level of the Big 5, they would have to invest more in their sports programs.

Done, what's step 2?

(08-11-2014 09:05 AM)DfromCT Wrote:  It really pisses me off that ND is considered part of the P5, despite their refusal to join a conference in Football. In the old BCS days, they got an invite to a BCS bowl if they were in the top 10. It was automatic. The days of the Fighting Irish being relevant year in and year out have come and gone. They even ended their series with Michigan (though they continue to play Purdue) because they have to play more ACC teams.

ND is fueled by money from their contract with NBC. Unfortunately, they have enough fans AND haters that they get ratings. As Alabama proved two years ago, they can waltz through their schedule with no losses and still get lit up by a true BCS contender.

ND doesn't actually bother me. They are independent because they can be and that's what they want to do, and they have enough value and interest to justify it. I'm way more bothered by the schools at the bottom of the P5 who you could swap out for any G5 school and it would make no difference to the bottom line of the league. They are considered "better" for no other reason than by association with actual money making programs. I'd like it better if everyone was independent and everyone's value was what their program actually brought to the table and not just being lucky to have associated with the right programs 75 years ago.

(08-11-2014 09:09 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:27 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Quote in the New York Times.

He said if the Division I universities on the outside looking in want to make it to the level of the Big 5, they would have to invest more in their sports programs.

Done, what's step 2?

Yeah I'd love to hear the second step in his mind, but there isn't one.

What an idiot. This somewhat reminds me of a conversation our play-by-play guy Marc Daniels had years ago on his radio show with UF AD Jeremy Foley back when the BCS was starting out. Foley was explaining how the BCS would work, and Daniels said that this system would essentially keep all of the non-BCS schools from ever competing for a national championship. When he asked, "What about schools like UCF who are trying to build their programs?" Foley said verbatim, "Maybe schools like that should move back to 1-AA." Whatever miniscule shred of support I had for UF back then went up in flames. I've been a Gator hater ever since.

A lot of these people in the G5 have forgotten where they came from. There were times when no one gave a rat's a$$ about Florida or FSU (as an example). There were years I couldn't find the UF-FSU game on TV anywhere. But they existed in a time when nothing was standing in their way when they wanted to grow their programs. That's not the case now. And this buffoon wants to use the term "socialism?!?" All we have EVER wanted was an ideal that is as capitalistic as any in the world, and that's to have a level playing field in which to compete. His world is more dictatorial because the few have power over the many. And what about the "socialism" within their very own conferences where Iowa State makes every bit as much TV money as Oklahoma? Of course, I have NO doubt that model will eventually change. The greed will continue, and idiots like this guy will get tired of sharing their millions with the Northwesterns, Washington States, Iowa States, and Wake Forests. That's when the edges of their perfect little world will start to fray.

Glad we get a chance to beat up on them on the court this November.

Cougars & Mustangs ... how do you put up with such Mt. Olympus crap from that overrated school in Austin?

Regarding the Shorthorns athletics, I've paraphrased Winston Churchill: "Never has so little been done with so much."

"We do less with more." fits fine too.

OK

(08-11-2014 09:02 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:27 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Quote in the New York Times.

“We are the ones making the money and carrying the liability,” Patterson said. “The others don’t make any money. Nobody wants to watch them on TV. I don’t accept the argument that you have to have total socialism."

(08-11-2014 08:32 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  He's not wrong. Painful but 100% correct.

100%?

OK... so 75% correct. See our TV deals.

Two questions I have from that. Most have already been addressed here.

1. What happens when you invest in your sports programs like he states?
2. Is all the P5 programs he speaks of the money makers? What about the schools that don't bring swat to the conference? How many people want to watch them on TV? Are they pulling their fair share?

If I'm the smaller schools in a P5 conference I know the next bullet is for me. IMO

(08-11-2014 09:21 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  And this buffoon wants to use the term "socialism?!?" All we have EVER wanted was an ideal that is as capitalistic as any in the world, and that's to have a level playing field in which to compete. His world is more dictatorial because the few have power over the many. And what about the "socialism" within their very own conferences where Iowa State makes every bit as much TV money as Oklahoma? Of course, I have NO doubt that model will eventually change. The greed will continue, and idiots like this guy will get tired of sharing their millions with the Northwesterns, Washington States, Iowa States, and Wake Forests. That's when the edges of their perfect little world will start to fray.

I think it's fair for him to use the word socialism. If the system was one where every conference got an autobid to a playoff and the revenue from that playoff was equally distributed, no matter how far conferences went or drove viewership.
However, using a revenue advantage to buy political power and stifle competition (the system he wants) is crony capitalism. Which is just as bad, if not worse, than socialism.

(08-11-2014 08:40 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  He makes it sound so black and white. There are some in the Cartel 5 that are liabilities, and some in the Smaller TV Contract leagues that would bring value.

Exactly. The problem is, their 'line' is so arbitrary as to be laughable. Too many weak performers are already in the P5, becuase they were grandfathered in... and a good many G5 schools obviously have the chops to be in the P5.

No one wants to watch Texas basketball.

(08-11-2014 09:30 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  OK

(08-11-2014 09:02 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 08:27 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Quote in the New York Times.

“We are the ones making the money and carrying the liability,” Patterson said. “The others don’t make any money. Nobody wants to watch them on TV. I don’t accept the argument that you have to have total socialism."

(08-11-2014 08:32 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  He's not wrong. Painful but 100% correct.

100%?

OK... so 75% correct. See our TV deals.

look at our athletic budgets

money we make isnt solely based on tv contracts

(08-11-2014 09:21 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  His world is more dictatorial because the few have power over the many. And what about the "socialism" within their very own conferences where Iowa State makes every bit as much TV money as Oklahoma? Of course, I have NO doubt that model will eventually change. The greed will continue, and idiots like this guy will get tired of sharing their millions with the Northwesterns, Washington States, Iowa States, and Wake Forests. That's when the edges of their perfect little world will start to fray.

I'm going to memorize then plagiarize this. When the python starts to devour its own tail, if those same schools (Northwesterns, Washington States, Iowa States, and Wake Forests) had voted in favor of this blatant restriction of trade ... what leg will they have to stand on when these league dismissals start to happen?

I now believe that is also a when not an if.

Washington State, Mississippi State, Wake Forest, et al. would be wise to listen to the words of pastor Martin Niemoller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionists.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak for me.

The aforementioned schools would be wise to buddy up with the schools in the G5.

(08-11-2014 10:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Washington State, Mississippi State, Wake Forest, et al. would be wise to listen to the words of pastor Martin Niemoller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionists.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak for me.

The aforementioned schools would be wise to buddy up with the schools in the G5.

The bottom half of the G5 really need to be asking why they needed autonomy right now. Stipends/Full-cost-of-attendance has been allowed with a court ruling. Feed players, passed without autonomy. What's left? Why does this suddenly feel like divide and conquer?

(08-11-2014 09:42 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  If I'm the smaller schools in a P5 conference I know the next bullet is for me.

This.

Which makes it a little curious why they go along with this. Best I can tell, they are just too scared to yank on the tiger's tail. And I guess, from their standpoint, it's understandable.

(08-11-2014 09:53 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 09:21 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  And this buffoon wants to use the term "socialism?!?" All we have EVER wanted was an ideal that is as capitalistic as any in the world, and that's to have a level playing field in which to compete. His world is more dictatorial because the few have power over the many. And what about the "socialism" within their very own conferences where Iowa State makes every bit as much TV money as Oklahoma? Of course, I have NO doubt that model will eventually change. The greed will continue, and idiots like this guy will get tired of sharing their millions with the Northwesterns, Washington States, Iowa States, and Wake Forests. That's when the edges of their perfect little world will start to fray.

I think it's fair for him to use the word socialism. If the system was one where every conference got an autobid to a playoff and the revenue from that playoff was equally distributed, no matter how far conferences went or drove viewership.
However, using a revenue advantage to buy political power and stifle competition (the system he wants) is crony capitalism. Which is just as bad, if not worse, than socialism.

I think it is hysterical that he bemoans socialism when almost the whole system is financed by the public. By and large, these are public schools dedicated to do the good of the public. The public financed the stadiums where they play. Dividing the pie to cut out some institutions is ridiculous.