Well, as the great Hayden Fry once said, "I see two conferences headed in different directions".

(07-30-2014 09:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  38. Marshall
58. Louisiana
60. Rice
68. Arkansas State
76. UTSA
77. Middle Tennessee
80. Western Kentucky
82. North Texas
94. South Alabama
96. Louisiana Tech
100. Troy
103. Southern Miss
106. ULM
108. Florida Atlantic
111. Texas State
114. Georgia Southern
118. UTEP
120. App State
121. Old Dominion
122. UAB
124. Idaho
125. Florida International
126. Georgia State
127. New Mexico State


You're right, they must not think much of CUSA the way they repeatedly singled us out, and yet....

CUSA mean=93
Sun Belt mean=104

CUSA median=96
Sun Belt median=111

Draw your own conclusions.

Are you really going there? Of all people, you know it's about on-field performance...don't lower yourself to smack talk...leave that to us knuckleheads...

(07-30-2014 10:41 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 09:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  38. Marshall
58. Louisiana
60. Rice
68. Arkansas State
76. UTSA
77. Middle Tennessee
80. Western Kentucky
82. North Texas
94. South Alabama
96. Louisiana Tech
100. Troy
103. Southern Miss
106. ULM
108. Florida Atlantic
111. Texas State
114. Georgia Southern
118. UTEP
120. App State
121. Old Dominion
122. UAB
124. Idaho
125. Florida International
126. Georgia State
127. New Mexico State


You're right, they must not think much of CUSA the way they repeatedly singled us out, and yet....

CUSA mean=93
Sun Belt mean=104

CUSA median=96
Sun Belt median=111

Draw your own conclusions.

Are you really going there? Of all people, you know it's about on-field performance...don't lower yourself to smack talk...leave that to us knuckleheads...

Going where? The OP posted the link, I was merely pointing out the facts. No smack talk here, just found it an odd choice to link to a preview that has CUSA rated ahead of the Sun Belt.

(07-30-2014 10:39 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  With all due respect, the thread was not about how you'd rank us, but rather how littlethe writers in question think of CUSA which is funny cconsidering they irrefutably think less of the Sun Belt.

No smack intended, just found it odd to use sports writers to slam CUSA when those same writers had the Sun Belt rated lower.

Actually, Sun Belt fans know where we stand. The point of my post was that the sports writers don't think nearly as highly of C-USA as C-USA fans seem to think they think of C-USA. Nothing more.

I've been trying to point that out for some time, but it falls on deaf ears....both in C-USA and the Belt.

Looked i really think we got rid of some baggage with FAU, and FIU. What really set this conference back was MTSU, UNT, and WKU in basketball. We were able to overcome by bringing in GaSo and App State, and TXST. The sunbelt did a great job of getting the best D-IAA schools in this conference. It will take some time for GSU, but they just need time.

I honestly think in the long haul we we will come out better than C-USA.

(07-30-2014 10:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 10:41 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 09:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  38. Marshall
58. Louisiana
60. Rice
68. Arkansas State
76. UTSA
77. Middle Tennessee
80. Western Kentucky
82. North Texas
94. South Alabama
96. Louisiana Tech
100. Troy
103. Southern Miss
106. ULM
108. Florida Atlantic
111. Texas State
114. Georgia Southern
118. UTEP
120. App State
121. Old Dominion
122. UAB
124. Idaho
125. Florida International
126. Georgia State
127. New Mexico State


You're right, they must not think much of CUSA the way they repeatedly singled us out, and yet....

CUSA mean=93
Sun Belt mean=104

CUSA median=96
Sun Belt median=111

Draw your own conclusions.

Are you really going there? Of all people, you know it's about on-field performance...don't lower yourself to smack talk...leave that to us knuckleheads...

Going where? The OP posted the link, I was merely pointing out the facts. No smack talk here, just found it an odd choice to link to a preview that has CUSA rated ahead of the Sun Belt.

Yeah, but you know this preseason stuff is crap, whether or not they know it...it's about the mid-season and end-of-season rankings that matter...these are talking points.

(07-30-2014 10:40 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Well, as the great Hayden Fry once said, "I see two conferences headed in different directions".

The problem is this my friend, most Sun Belt fans already think that the Sun Belt is the better conference, the link you provided, doesn't support that. I'm not saying the writers are right, I'm not saying they're wrong, but it was your link and it didn't really help your argument.

As far as moving in different directions, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I won't argue that in the last round of realignment that CUSA took a bigger step back than the Sun Belt did, but we both took steps back from where we were in 2012. Having said that, what makes you say that at this point the Sun Belt is moving forward and CUSA is moving backwards? Both conferences are full of members making facility improvements, increasing budgets, and paying coaches more than we ever have before, conversely both conferences have members that need to step it up in a big way.

We can simply agree to disagree about which conference is stronger today and which conference has a brighter future, but to suggest we're "moving in different directions" is laughable.

(07-30-2014 10:49 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 10:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 10:41 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Are you really going there? Of all people, you know it's about on-field performance...don't lower yourself to smack talk...leave that to us knuckleheads...

Going where? The OP posted the link, I was merely pointing out the facts. No smack talk here, just found it an odd choice to link to a preview that has CUSA rated ahead of the Sun Belt.

Yeah, but you know this preseason stuff is crap, whether or not they know it...it's about the mid-season and end-of-season rankings that matter...these are talking points.

And I'm not the one that established this as a metric. Never once said the writers were right or wrong, was merely responding to the title of the thread itself.

Arguing over wether the 96th ranked team is any better than the 104th is sort of pathetic.

Rankings outside the top 25-30 mean nothing.

It's about the W. The SBC has an advantage in Ws recently.

(07-30-2014 10:40 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Well, as the great Hayden Fry once said, "I see two conferences headed in different directions".

Even the great Hayden Fry understood the inevitable.

(07-30-2014 11:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arguing over wether the 96th ranked team is any better than the 104th is sort of pathetic.

Rankings outside the top 25-30 mean nothing.

It's about the W. The SBC has an advantage in Ws recently.

I don't have it in front of me, but there are very few games between the current iterations of the two conferences. Most of the Sun Belt over CUSA wins came against CUSA members that have departed for the AAC and or won by former Sun Belt members that are now in CUSA.

I feel like there may have been 2 or 3 outside of the UAB vs Troy series, but no more than that.

(07-31-2014 12:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arguing over wether the 96th ranked team is any better than the 104th is sort of pathetic.

Rankings outside the top 25-30 mean nothing.

It's about the W. The SBC has an advantage in Ws recently.

I don't have it in front of me, but there are very few games between the current iterations of the two conferences. Most of the Sun Belt over CUSA wins came against CUSA members that have departed for the AAC and or won by former Sun Belt members that are now in CUSA.

I feel like there may have been 2 or 3 outside of the UAB vs Troy series, but no more than that.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332990098
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?id=332570006
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332880098

(07-31-2014 12:24 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arguing over wether the 96th ranked team is any better than the 104th is sort of pathetic.

Rankings outside the top 25-30 mean nothing.

It's about the W. The SBC has an advantage in Ws recently.

I don't have it in front of me, but there are very few games between the current iterations of the two conferences. Most of the Sun Belt over CUSA wins came against CUSA members that have departed for the AAC and or won by former Sun Belt members that are now in CUSA.

I feel like there may have been 2 or 3 outside of the UAB vs Troy series, but no more than that.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332990098
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?id=332570006
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332880098

SBC games?

I'd submit that two teams play differently OOC than they do as conference mates that see one another every year.

At any rate, didn't WKU go 4-3 in the Belt last year? Wanna rethink that one?

(07-31-2014 12:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:24 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arguing over wether the 96th ranked team is any better than the 104th is sort of pathetic.

Rankings outside the top 25-30 mean nothing.

It's about the W. The SBC has an advantage in Ws recently.

I don't have it in front of me, but there are very few games between the current iterations of the two conferences. Most of the Sun Belt over CUSA wins came against CUSA members that have departed for the AAC and or won by former Sun Belt members that are now in CUSA.

I feel like there may have been 2 or 3 outside of the UAB vs Troy series, but no more than that.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332990098
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?id=332570006
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332880098

SBC games?

I'd submit that two teams play differently OOC than they do as conference mates that see one another every year.

At any rate, didn't WKU go 4-3 in the Belt last year? Wanna rethink that one?

Not really...like I've said before...the new conferences are 0-0...but some of you keep going backwards...

(07-31-2014 12:43 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:24 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arguing over wether the 96th ranked team is any better than the 104th is sort of pathetic.

Rankings outside the top 25-30 mean nothing.

It's about the W. The SBC has an advantage in Ws recently.

I don't have it in front of me, but there are very few games between the current iterations of the two conferences. Most of the Sun Belt over CUSA wins came against CUSA members that have departed for the AAC and or won by former Sun Belt members that are now in CUSA.

I feel like there may have been 2 or 3 outside of the UAB vs Troy series, but no more than that.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332990098
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?id=332570006
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332880098

SBC games?

I'd submit that two teams play differently OOC than they do as conference mates that see one another every year.

At any rate, didn't WKU go 4-3 in the Belt last year? Wanna rethink that one?

Not really...like I've said before...the new conferences are 0-0...but some of you keep going backwards...

What?

I said the conferences as presently constructed have very little history, you then listed three SBC games from last season, now you then say the conferences are 0-0 against one another?

(07-31-2014 12:53 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:43 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:24 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I don't have it in front of me, but there are very few games between the current iterations of the two conferences. Most of the Sun Belt over CUSA wins came against CUSA members that have departed for the AAC and or won by former Sun Belt members that are now in CUSA.

I feel like there may have been 2 or 3 outside of the UAB vs Troy series, but no more than that.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332990098
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?id=332570006
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332880098

SBC games?

I'd submit that two teams play differently OOC than they do as conference mates that see one another every year.

At any rate, didn't WKU go 4-3 in the Belt last year? Wanna rethink that one?

Not really...like I've said before...the new conferences are 0-0...but some of you keep going backwards...

What?

I said the conferences as presently constructed have very little history, you then listed three SBC games from last season, now you then say the conferences are 0-0 against one another?

Yes. You disqualified teams that left, so I noted a team that left that would be a "player" football-wise. Easy-peezy...

Since 2011:

Arkansas State
Beat WKU 26-22 (2011)
Beat FIU 34-16 (2011)
Beat MTSU 45-19 (2011)
Beat FAU 39-21 (2011)
Beat UNT 37-14 (2011)
Beat Memphis 33-28 (2012)
Lost to WKU 13-26 (2012)
Beat FIU 34-20 (2012)
Beat UNT 37-19 (2012)
Beat MTSU 45-0 (2012)
Lost to WKU 31-34 (2013)

Georgia State
Lost to ODU 17-40 (2011)
Lost to ODU 27-53 (2012)
Lost to WKU 28-44 (2013)

ULL
Beat FIU (2011)
Beat UNT (2011)
Lost to WKU (2011)
Beat MTSU (2011)
Beat FAU (2011)
Beat FIU (2012)
Lost to UNT (2012)
Beat WKU (2012)
Beat WKU (2013)

ULM
Lost to UNT (2011)
Lost to WKU (2011)
Beat MTSU (2011)
Lost to FIU (2011)
Beat FAU (2011)
Beat MTSU (2012)
Beat FAU (2012)
Beat WKU (2012)
Beat UNT (2012)
Beat FIU (2012)
Lost to WKU (2013)

USA
Beat UTSA (2011)
Lost to UTSA (2012)
Beat FAU (2012)
Lost to FIU (2012)
Lost to MTSU (2012)
Lost to UNT (2012)
Beat WKU (2013)

TXST
Lost to Louisiana Tech (2012)
Lost to UTSA (2012)
Beat Southern Miss (2013)
Lost to WKU (2013)

Troy
Beat MTSU (2011)
Beat UAB (2011)
Lost to FIU (2011)
Lost to UNT (2011)
Beat FAU (2011)
Lost to WKU (2011)
Beat UAB (2012)
Beat UNT (2012)
Lost to WKU (2012)
Beat FIU (2012)
Lost to FAU (2012)
Lost to MTSU (2012)
Beat UAB (2013)
Beat WKU (2012)

Idaho
Lost to LTU (2011)
Lost to LTU (2012)
Lost to UTSA (2012)
Lost to UNT (2013)
Lost to ODU (2013)

NMSU
Lost to UTEP (2011)
Lost to LTU (2011)
Lost to LTU (2012)
Lost to UTEP (2012)
Lost to UTSA (2012)
Lost to UTEP (2013)
Lost to FAU (2013)

Georgia Southern
Beat ODU (2012)

Out of the 72 games that current Sun Belt teams have played against current CUSA teams, the two conferences have tied. Each has 36 wins and 36 loses since 2011.

(07-31-2014 01:01 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:53 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:43 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:24 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332990098
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?id=332570006
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332880098

SBC games?

I'd submit that two teams play differently OOC than they do as conference mates that see one another every year.

At any rate, didn't WKU go 4-3 in the Belt last year? Wanna rethink that one?

Not really...like I've said before...the new conferences are 0-0...but some of you keep going backwards...

What?

I said the conferences as presently constructed have very little history, you then listed three SBC games from last season, now you then say the conferences are 0-0 against one another?

Yes. You disqualified teams that left, so I noted a team that left that would be a "player" football-wise. Easy-peezy...

I'm still lost.

Are the conferences 0-0 against one another?

If WKU is a "player" why did you only link three of their seven games?

My original point was that at one point someone was touting the SBC record against CUSA over the past few years and out of the eighteen or twenty games they listed only like three or four were games played between SBC vs CUSA then and would still be SBC vs CUSA today.

(07-31-2014 01:37 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  Since 2011:

Georgia Southern
Beat ODU (2012)

Out of the 72 games that current Sun Belt teams have played against current CUSA teams, the two conferences have tied. Each has 36 wins and 36 loses since 2011.

We beat ODU in 2011 as well.

So that would be 37 wins for the Sun Belt teams.

Beat me to it EW.
So the current SBC is better than the current CUSA.

Glad we put that argument to rest.


Actually this little hate fest between conferences is a good thing it breeds rivalries and fan interest. The G5 are all in the same boat (the AAC has still some delusion of moving back with the P5). Also, this is the silly season and we fans love to over analyze and nit pick every comment and poll.

I really hope the G5 start learning to not try to pull each down and push each other up. We actually need to play fewer FCS teams and have more G5 home and home games across the board. This would increase SOS and fan interest in the games. Got to find ways to boost donor and ticket sales, cause the P5 aren't just gonna hand us the funds to move forward (just enough to keep us happy).