The Bible begins with the creation of the universe: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1 NIV). This single verse describes the actual transformation of invisible energy into all of the fundamental physical matter (as summed up in Albert Einstein's famous E=mc2 equation) that would be formed into stars, planets and everything else - including us. Scientists now estimate that the great event took place approximately 15 billion years ago.

Stars The next verse describes the earth after its creation, long after the creation of the universe: "Now the earth was [or became] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters" (Genesis 1:2 NIV). Scientists estimate the age of the earth to be about 5 billion years old - leaving an estimated 10 billion years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

There has been a tremendous amount of disagreement between science and religion, each side armed with its own obvious facts to refute the other. People of science and religion need not disagree so often if they would realize that their different observations are the result of each looking only at opposite sides of the same coin. The contradictory evidence is actually an illusion, caused by omission, which virtually guarantees that alone, either scientific theory or religious doctrine can only be half-right in their understanding of the creation of the universe or the origin of humanity. Together however, the picture is complete and harmonious.

We all realize that God was Creator, but how often do we consider what was involved in that creation? God was a chemist, a physicist, an astronomer, a biologist. He was most certainly an artist, a maker of all of our world's beauty. He was the lawmaker of all of the unseen forces that make "nature" orderly and predictable.

The universe as it exists was not produced by some cosmic accident. The conditions of creation were intricately planned and considered. A mindless uncontrolled "big bang" would result in destruction and chaos, not the life and order we now see.

On the other hand, a great initial expansion (explosion) of physical matter that had just been transformed (created) from pure energy (from a physical point of view, literally nothing), followed by orderly development (from natural laws put into force beforehand by a Creator) of stars, galaxies and everything else, is reasonable and logical. It satisfies both religion and science.


-Wayne Black

I've always wondered were the "6000" year date came from?

The bible clearly says man is 6000 years old, but not the earth or the minerals that make it up.

I've also noticed that people seem to forget about the time in the garden of Eden.

Adam and Eve were immortal beings in the garden. The could have lived with God for a millions of years before they were deceived and thrown out.

There was no timetable given and the process of death never entered the world until they ate of the tree.

Point being, the 6000 year count is used starting with Adams age and counted up all thru the bible until today. Yet this unaccounted for time in the very beginning and in the Garden never seem to get a lot of mention.

I tried to find the verses where it says that one day for the Lord is like a thousand for man or words to that effect. To me it really doesn't matter how long it took, moot point, it's that He did create us that's important.

The Earth is 4.54 Billion years old...and Humans are ~200,000 years old...these are things science can prove.

(07-27-2014 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Earth is 4.54 Billion years old...and Humans are ~200,000 years old...these are things science can prove.

But who needs that when you have a 2000 year old excerpt that says otherwise?

(07-27-2014 02:44 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I tried to find the verses where it says that one day for the Lord is like a thousand for man or words to that effect. To me it really doesn't matter how long it took, moot point, it's that He did create us that's important.

2 Peter 3:8

One of the more interesting theories I've heard about God functioning outside of time is that from God's perspective everything is happening at once, including what to us is the future.

Debate all you want but remember Revelation 20:12


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All you have to do is to read the first few paragraphs of Genesis to see that life can exist elsewhere in the universe.

(07-27-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Earth is 4.54 Billion years old...and Humans are ~200,000 years old...these are things science can prove.

But who needs that when you have a 2000 year old excerpt that says otherwise?

You shouldn't discount the possibility that God tweaked a few genes 6000 years back that made us into something different from what we were before that time.

Isn't it wonderful that we all will find out if what the Bible says is true or not. I lean towards true. And everyone will know for sure. My brother is an atheist and he said that if I'm right and he's wrong that he'll just say, "I should have listened to my brother". Tsk, it'll be too late.

(07-27-2014 07:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Isn't it wonderful that we all will find out if what the Bible says is true or not. I lean towards true. And everyone will know for sure. My brother is an atheist and he said that if I'm right and he's wrong that he'll just say, "I should have listened to my brother". Tsk, it'll be too late.

That's the kind of "god" I could never believe in...

(07-27-2014 07:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Earth is 4.54 Billion years old...and Humans are ~200,000 years old...these are things science can prove.

But who needs that when you have a 2000 year old excerpt that says otherwise?

You shouldn't discount the possibility that God tweaked a few genes 6000 years back that made us into something different from what we were before that time.

I have never laughed so hard.

(07-27-2014 08:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Isn't it wonderful that we all will find out if what the Bible says is true or not. I lean towards true. And everyone will know for sure. My brother is an atheist and he said that if I'm right and he's wrong that he'll just say, "I should have listened to my brother". Tsk, it'll be too late.

That's the kind of "god" I could never believe in...

Great. You can compare notes with my brother. He'll tell you my name I'm sure. LOL

(07-27-2014 08:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Earth is 4.54 Billion years old...and Humans are ~200,000 years old...these are things science can prove.

But who needs that when you have a 2000 year old excerpt that says otherwise?

You shouldn't discount the possibility that God tweaked a few genes 6000 years back that made us into something different from what we were before that time.

I have never laughed so hard.

Eat any Monsanto corn?

God tweaked a few genes 6000 years back



that or natural selection driven by the ice ages............

I always considered the Garden of Eden as a metaphor for the Neolithic Revolution.

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(07-27-2014 10:23 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  God tweaked a few genes 6000 years back



that or natural selection driven by the ice ages............

Gene tweaking can be re-created in the lab on demand. Good old predictable and reproducible science.

Natural selection is hard to re-create in the lab.

So gene tweaking gets the hard science nod there. Wouldn't you say?

whoever told you natural selection is hard to recreate?

Bacteria in a petri dish is pretty simple.

(07-27-2014 07:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Earth is 4.54 Billion years old...and Humans are ~200,000 years old...these are things science can prove.

But who needs that when you have a 2000 year old excerpt that says otherwise?

You shouldn't discount the possibility that God tweaked a few genes 6000 years back that made us into something different from what we were before that time.

Or that, being the old testament is the chronology and history of the israelites, the jews were created 6,000 years ago.

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