(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

Even beyond that, the general athletic budgets of the average AAC teams dwarfs that of any of the average teams in any other g5 conference

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

your facts are wrong

(07-24-2014 01:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

your facts are wrong

Based on what?

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(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

The 11 units earned last year by AAC will be paid this year and that's more than any other G5 league
The tv contract that starts this year pays more than any other G5 tv contract other than the MWC
Bowl money total is higher than other G5

So where I am wrong in pointing out that AAC schools earn more money than any other G5 even without BE settlement money.

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

And just google and look up each individual AAC athletic budget and compare it to the MAC.

The conference is worth more, wins more, has more to offer, and is better. And you are wrong. Go away.

(07-24-2014 01:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

The 11 units earned last year by AAC will be paid this year and that's more than any other G5 league
The tv contract that starts this year pays more than any other G5 tv contract other than the MWC
Bowl money total is higher than other G5

So where I am wrong in pointing out that AAC schools earn more money than any other G5 even without BE settlement money.

Like i said, have not been paid yet.

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(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

The 11 units earned last year by AAC will be paid this year and that's more than any other G5 league
The tv contract that starts this year pays more than any other G5 tv contract other than the MWC
Bowl money total is higher than other G5

So where I am wrong in pointing out that AAC schools earn more money than any other G5 even without BE settlement money.

Like i said, have not been paid yet.

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LOL. What you think we won't get that paid?

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

The 11 units earned last year by AAC will be paid this year and that's more than any other G5 league
The tv contract that starts this year pays more than any other G5 tv contract other than the MWC
Bowl money total is higher than other G5

So where I am wrong in pointing out that AAC schools earn more money than any other G5 even without BE settlement money.

Like i said, have not been paid yet.

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And? Doesnt change the fact that we will be paid more when they are.

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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tv money and ncaa payout are but a fragment of the equation
the average mac teams athletic budget is around 26-27 million, the average AAC athletic budget is 45 million, almost a 20mil differenece

(07-23-2014 02:39 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 02:36 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  It would be easier if we follow the P5's lead and divide equal members of the same league into perceived groups of Haves and Have Nots, like they did with us in normalizing the labels P5 and G5. Let's take it a step further and divide the G5 into the H2 and L3- the Holiest of the Holy 2, and the Little Sisters of the Poor 3. That's what will fix an already corrupt league- more segregation.

I always favor the roll of agressor. So, I like this idea at first glance.

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 10:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  AAC schools have more money than the rest of G5. Its just that simple. Theres no arguing it. I'm not up here saying our programs are all across the board better. But I am saying, we have more money. And money is what it will take to keep up.

The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

And just google and look up each individual AAC athletic budget and compare it to the MAC.

The conference is worth more, wins more, has more to offer, and is better. And you are wrong. Go away.

More to offer based on one year of existence and going by the threads started on this site, schools want out of the conference!? Spare me on the better conference comment.

Edit: BTW, the MAC/ C-USA/ Belt is not going anywhere.

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(07-24-2014 01:38 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

And just google and look up each individual AAC athletic budget and compare it to the MAC.

The conference is worth more, wins more, has more to offer, and is better. And you are wrong. Go away.

More to offer based on one year of existence and going by the threads started on this site, schools want out of the conference!? Spare me on the better conference comment.

Edit: BTW the MAC/C-USA/Belt is not going anywhere

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(07-23-2014 03:55 PM)YNot Wrote:  Doesn't the FBS already have attendance requirements?...that aren't enforced...

I had heard that the FBS requirement was to average 15K per home game over a rolling two year period. Anyone have a link or additional information?

For starters, I would like to see the attendance rule strictly enforced. That would trim some fat immediately.

Eastern Michigan (3,987 avg) -seriously, how do they even have an FBS-level program?
UAB (12,909 avg)
UMass (13,361 avg)
Akron (13,562 avg)
San Jose St. (13,575 avg)
Idaho (13,663 avg)
Florida Atlantic (13,990 avg)
Ball St. (14,030)
FIU (14,534)
Central Michigan (14,640 avg)

That's an entire conference worth of teams right there that don't currently make, what I though was, the cut.

If you bumped up the requirement to 16K, here is more fat to trim:

Buffalo
New Mexico St.
Western Michigan
Bowling Green
Miami (OH)
South Alabama
Georgia St.

Buffalo had about 23K per game last year and is already 1,400 season tickets over last seasons numbers. New York has turned a corner and should consistently be in the 25K range from now on.

The AD has brought in concerts before the games, smartened up the packages for tickets, and done a far better job reaching out to fans over the summer.

On top of that starting next season UB will have "The East Club" in place which is about 1,600 seat high end section ($1000 per season with a 10 year commitment) that is already about 30% sold out until 2025.

UB because of our recent start up and very poor efforts in from 1999-2006 is behind the eight ball. But if the G5 hangs around for any length of time I suspect the school and department will be attractive enough to get swept up in whatever comes next.

(07-24-2014 01:38 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

And just google and look up each individual AAC athletic budget and compare it to the MAC.

The conference is worth more, wins more, has more to offer, and is better. And you are wrong. Go away.

More to offer based on one year of existence and going by the threads started on this site, schools want out of the conference!? Spare me on the better conference comment.

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and FSU wants to be in the SEC, and Mizzo want to be in the BIg 10 that doesnt mean those conferences arent better than the AAC..

all because teams want to go to higher levels, doesnt mean the current level isnt higher than others ... every team in the MAC also wants to be in P5 but that doesn't mean they arent better than fcs conferences etc.

the point you just made is extremely flawed

(07-24-2014 01:38 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

And just google and look up each individual AAC athletic budget and compare it to the MAC.

The conference is worth more, wins more, has more to offer, and is better. And you are wrong. Go away.

More to offer based on one year of existence and going by the threads started on this site, schools want out of the conference!? Spare me on the better conference comment.

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Yes, more to offer based on one year of existence.

Larger TV deal, larger athletic budgets, better attendance, more football wins, more basketball wins, better bowl games, better olympic sports, more notable institutions, more respected institutions that people care about

You are aware that one of our members won 2 basketball national championships in one year, and another one beat the high holy hell out of Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl right?

Are you aware of that?

I'll spare you if you'd like because I do know that people that lose arguments with no supporting evidence prefer it not to be rubbed in. So yes, I don't mind sparing that for you. You're welcome.

And yes, god forbid someone say that they want to be in the P5. WOW, how dare them, right? I mean what sick individuals! Since some of our member schools want to be in the P5, that clearly means that we are a worse conference than the MAC. Yeah, that makes a whole lick of sense bud.

Holy freakin' Toledo...Take your ridiculous logic back to the Akron

I mean for god sakes we got guys in here defending a conference with a FOOTBALL team that averages FOUR THOUSAND FANS PER GAME. WHAT?!

I have no words for a school with 24,000 students that averages 4,000 fans at a football game. There are private division 2 schools that average more fans a game that that. It's embarrassing

EDIT: No! I googled it. This is hilarious. Eastern Michigan wouldn't even be in the TOP TEN attendance in DIVISION THREE

(07-24-2014 01:55 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  I have no words for a school with 24,000 students that averages 4,000 fans at a football game. There are private division 2 schools that average more fans a game that that. It's embarrassing

EDIT: No! I googled it. This is hilarious. Eastern Michigan wouldn't even be in the TOP TEN attendance in DIVISION THREE

Yea EMU is a head scratcher... It's *VERY* rare that a conference boots a team, honestly Temple is the only one I can think of but I am sure there may be a few others.

The Problem is that EMU does pretty well in the Olympic sports and has such a close relationship with WMU and CMU.

(07-23-2014 01:03 PM)Mitch Rapp Wrote:  The AAC will outlive the Big12. Big12 will disband, AAC will pick up Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St and TCU or Texas Tech - get to 16 and we will be the other P5 conference.

A similar AAC and B12 topic was recently discussed in another thread so I won’t repost my comments here:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-694541-page-12.html

Start with post 118 to 142….

Btw… Consider what Cinci, Temple, UCONN, and USF did to CUSA (four schools without a conference name)—they almost destroyed it….

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

I just want to point out that what Lance is saying here is right. The television money paid out to the AAC teams this season for football were from the old Big East deal, not the AAC deal. That does not start until this upcoming season. The basketball deal started this past season though.