Israel Bombs It After Confirming No Civilians Inside…
I can’t think of any other country in the world that goes to these lengths to avoid civilian casualties, and yet Israel is still demonized. Note: Video includes audio of two calls with a Palestinian informant who confirms no civilians are inside the hospital.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote: Israel Bombs It After Confirming No Civilians Inside…
I can’t think of any other country in the world that goes to these lengths to avoid civilian casualties, and yet Israel is still demonized. Note: Video includes audio of two calls with a Palestinian informant who confirms no civilians are inside the hospital.
It is a rule of war that you warn civilians to get out of "civilian" areas that will be bombed. Every civilized country should, and does, do what Israel does.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:38 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote: Israel Bombs It After Confirming No Civilians Inside…
I can’t think of any other country in the world that goes to these lengths to avoid civilian casualties, and yet Israel is still demonized. Note: Video includes audio of two calls with a Palestinian informant who confirms no civilians are inside the hospital.
It is a rule of war that you warn civilians to get out of "civilian" areas that will be bombed. Every civilized country should, and does, do what Israel does.
Funny how you don't mention your beloved terrorists were firing from a hospital. Is that a "rule" of war that is acceptable. Now who is civilized?
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:42 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:38 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote: Israel Bombs It After Confirming No Civilians Inside…
I can’t think of any other country in the world that goes to these lengths to avoid civilian casualties, and yet Israel is still demonized. Note: Video includes audio of two calls with a Palestinian informant who confirms no civilians are inside the hospital.
It is a rule of war that you warn civilians to get out of "civilian" areas that will be bombed. Every civilized country should, and does, do what Israel does.
Funny how you don't mention your beloved terrorists were firing from a hospital. Is that a "rule" of war that is acceptable. Now who is civilized?
I don't even know if I should respond to such an ignorant comment. I have never said that they weren't firing from a hospital, nor that they are civilized at all. If you were intellectually curious enough to read my other posts to back up what you're saying, you would realize that I have been extremely critical of Hamas and their infestation of the Palestine government. Please do not accuse me of having views I clearly and absolutely do not have. It is rude, lazy, and makes you look dumb. They are not "my beloved terrorists", and if you can read English you should be able to know that by my other posts about this very conflict.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:38 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote: Israel Bombs It After Confirming No Civilians Inside…
I can’t think of any other country in the world that goes to these lengths to avoid civilian casualties, and yet Israel is still demonized. Note: Video includes audio of two calls with a Palestinian informant who confirms no civilians are inside the hospital.
It is a rule of war that you warn civilians to get out of "civilian" areas that will be bombed. Every civilized country should, and does, do what Israel does.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:38 AM)Ole Blue Wrote: It is a rule of war that you warn civilians to get out of "civilian" areas that will be bombed. Every civilized country should, and does, do what Israel does.
Only a fool would fight a civilized war. If the lives of my family are on the line, treating the enemy in a civilized manner would be unthinkable and a handicap to my goal of survival.
Re: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
Last I saw, the civilian casualty count was:
Palestinian civilians killed by IDF: around 700
Israeli civilians killed by Hamas: 3.
If that's showing great restraint to you, I'd hate to see how many civilian deaths it would take to bother you. Or is that even possible, considering who it is being killed?
These aren't trustworthy sources like the IDF propaganda YouTube video you posted (because we know that couldn't have possibly been manipulated), but there are numerous reports of IDF forces firing knowingly on civilians, including the UN school that was targeted.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:08 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: Last I saw, the civilian casualty count was:
Palestinian civilians killed by IDF: around 700
The way you characterize those numbers are BS. It's 700 killed, but if the rate from early on holds, that's about 75% military aged men. That rate is based off of al Qaeda-TV's reporting, not the unsubstantiated claims of Hamas by way of the UN.
The rate from early on was about 80% civilian (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...06397.html). More recent numbers have the death toll at over 750. That rate extrapolated out would be around 600 civilian deaths. If anything, the rate probably went up with the school bombing, but I will revise my number down if it makes you happy (because only killing 200x as many civilians as a terrorist group is much better!). With a little more time though, I'm sure it will catch up.
(This post was last modified: 07-24-2014 11:41 PM by BlazerFan11.)
07-24-2014 11:40 PM
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RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-24-2014 11:08 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: Last I saw, the civilian casualty count was:
Palestinian civilians killed by IDF: around 700
Israeli civilians killed by Hamas: 3.
If that's showing great restraint to you, I'd hate to see how many civilian deaths it would take to bother you. Or is that even possible, considering who it is being killed?
These aren't trustworthy sources like the IDF propaganda YouTube video you posted (because we know that couldn't have possibly been manipulated), but there are numerous reports of IDF forces firing knowingly on civilians, including the UN school that was targeted.
So what? You want more dead Jews to even things out? Is that it? Or do you want fewer dead Palistinians to stop this madness?
Which is it? More dead Jews, call Hamas' friends in, I guess. Iran perhaps, there are others though. Fewer dead Palistinians? Call off their Hamas brethren, kick them out of their homes, hospitals, schools, UN sanctioned buildings and whatever else.
Why is this so hard to understand? Harbor a terrorist, you ARE are a terrorist. Aid and comfort, you ARE a terrorist. Allow them in your Mosque/School/hospital... why would you even be confused when the bombs hit?
Pretty simple stuff, but clearly the hamas terrorists have NO desire for peace.None. Anyone want to argue that?
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-25-2014 01:18 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:08 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: Last I saw, the civilian casualty count was:
Palestinian civilians killed by IDF: around 700
Israeli civilians killed by Hamas: 3.
If that's showing great restraint to you, I'd hate to see how many civilian deaths it would take to bother you. Or is that even possible, considering who it is being killed?
These aren't trustworthy sources like the IDF propaganda YouTube video you posted (because we know that couldn't have possibly been manipulated), but there are numerous reports of IDF forces firing knowingly on civilians, including the UN school that was targeted.
So what? You want more dead Jews to even things out? Is that it? Or do you want fewer dead Palistinians to stop this madness?
Which is it? More dead Jews, call Hamas' friends in, I guess. Iran perhaps, there are others though. Fewer dead Palistinians? Call off their Hamas brethren, kick them out of their homes, hospitals, schools, UN sanctioned buildings and whatever else.
Why is this so hard to understand? Harbor a terrorist, you ARE are a terrorist. Aid and comfort, you ARE a terrorist. Allow them in your Mosque/School/hospital... why would you even be confused when the bombs hit?
Pretty simple stuff, but clearly the hamas terrorists have NO desire for peace.None. Anyone want to argue that?
Exactly. And, let's not forget the number of human shields being used (and admitted on arab tv) by Hamas. Also, let's not forget about the Hamas guys carrying babies while shooting at the IDF.
Re: RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-25-2014 01:18 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:08 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: Last I saw, the civilian casualty count was:
Palestinian civilians killed by IDF: around 700
Israeli civilians killed by Hamas: 3.
If that's showing great restraint to you, I'd hate to see how many civilian deaths it would take to bother you. Or is that even possible, considering who it is being killed?
These aren't trustworthy sources like the IDF propaganda YouTube video you posted (because we know that couldn't have possibly been manipulated), but there are numerous reports of IDF forces firing knowingly on civilians, including the UN school that was targeted.
So what? You want more dead Jews to even things out? Is that it? Or do you want fewer dead Palistinians to stop this madness?
Which is it? More dead Jews, call Hamas' friends in, I guess. Iran perhaps, there are others though. Fewer dead Palistinians? Call off their Hamas brethren, kick them out of their homes, hospitals, schools, UN sanctioned buildings and whatever else.
Why is this so hard to understand? Harbor a terrorist, you ARE are a terrorist. Aid and comfort, you ARE a terrorist. Allow them in your Mosque/School/hospital... why would you even be confused when the bombs hit?
Pretty simple stuff, but clearly the hamas terrorists have NO desire for peace.None. Anyone want to argue that?
So you're tasking unarmed civilians with rounding up a bunch of terrorists with rockets? And if they can't, then they deserve to die?
Re: RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-25-2014 01:23 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:
(07-25-2014 01:18 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:
(07-24-2014 11:08 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: Last I saw, the civilian casualty count was:
Palestinian civilians killed by IDF: around 700
Israeli civilians killed by Hamas: 3.
If that's showing great restraint to you, I'd hate to see how many civilian deaths it would take to bother you. Or is that even possible, considering who it is being killed?
These aren't trustworthy sources like the IDF propaganda YouTube video you posted (because we know that couldn't have possibly been manipulated), but there are numerous reports of IDF forces firing knowingly on civilians, including the UN school that was targeted.
So what? You want more dead Jews to even things out? Is that it? Or do you want fewer dead Palistinians to stop this madness?
Which is it? More dead Jews, call Hamas' friends in, I guess. Iran perhaps, there are others though. Fewer dead Palistinians? Call off their Hamas brethren, kick them out of their homes, hospitals, schools, UN sanctioned buildings and whatever else.
Why is this so hard to understand? Harbor a terrorist, you ARE are a terrorist. Aid and comfort, you ARE a terrorist. Allow them in your Mosque/School/hospital... why would you even be confused when the bombs hit?
Pretty simple stuff, but clearly the hamas terrorists have NO desire for peace.None. Anyone want to argue that?
Exactly. And, let's not forget the number of human shields being used (and admitted on arab tv) by Hamas. Also, let's not forget about the Hamas guys carrying babies while shooting at the IDF.
Hamas kills children, therefore it's perfectly acceptable that Israel kills children?
07-25-2014 02:28 AM
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RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
I watched the video. The call seem staged. Why would the operator tell the informant the whole international law bit. It was like she was reading a script for the Eagle Rocks of the world to post on a message board. But even with that it's a step in the right direction. Obviously they have been reading the condemnations from around the world on their actions. So they made a nice counter propaganda piece.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-25-2014 02:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: I watched the video. The call seem staged. Why would the operator tell the informant the whole international law bit. It was like she was reading a script for the Eagle Rocks of the world to post on a message board. But even with that it's a step in the right direction. Obviously they have been reading the condemnations from around the world on their actions. So they made a nice counter propaganda piece.
It also seems like it's what actually happened. Since they have multiple targets, maybe they have reason to go through a script and set procedures, you know, like an army would. And, since they've been saying that they've been doing this since day one of the bombing campaign and releasing tapes since early on, maybe they may have actually recorded the conversations when they actually made the calls. The Israelis have a lot at stake to try to minimize casualties when they do deliberately target places like a hospital, school, or mosque. That dictates that if they have the ability to contact directors of those facilities and document that fact, then they should make every effort to do so.
Or, they could just randomly bomb targets and occasionally hit weapons stores, then set up a movie studio after the fact and have actors perform roles.
Skepticism can serve you well, but only if you actually apply reason and intelligent thought along with it. In this case, it has failed you.
I will note that there is a fine line between propaganda and public relations, and the definition of propaganda is murky. Just because you characterize it as propaganda, does not mean that it is not also true.
RE: Video: Hamas Fires At IDF Forces From Hospital,
(07-25-2014 02:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: I watched the video. The call seem staged. Why would the operator tell the informant the whole international law bit. It was like she was reading a script for the Eagle Rocks of the world to post on a message board. But even with that it's a step in the right direction. Obviously they have been reading the condemnations from around the world on their actions. So they made a nice counter propaganda piece.
No, this is their pretty consistent MO.
You've got it fixed in your mind that any time a civilian is killed, that's a violation of international law. Not because you've made any study of international law (obviously--if you had done so then you would know better), but because that's the sound byte your masters have fed you.
If there are any clear-cut violations of international law here, they have been done by Hamas and not Israel. I've explained to you why that's the case. And quite frankly, our escapades into places like Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan would have fared far better had we adopted more of the Israeli attitude and less of the approach we took there.
