(07-21-2014 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  and that 2 years ago carden only threw 3100 yds passing, no aac qb did that last year (gilbert maybe if he stayed healthy, and he was doing around 55 passes a game because they had no run game)..we'll see

He didn't start the first two games or even play in the first game vs an FCS school. Perhaps that made an impact not to be able to pad stats vs an FCS school?

7-1 that year vs CUSA. Almost 2700 yards in the last 9 games alone. 299 yards a game passing average the last 9 games to finish that season. I'd say he hit his grove that year down the stretch and never looked back last year. I expect 4k this year as well barring injury or blowouts where we play the back up.

(07-21-2014 11:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Carden's numbers are a bit distorted too since ECU attempted 50+ passes in 5 games last year and nearly got to a 6th. Any better than average QB is going to put up tons of yards if you're throwing that often.

Not to mention 23% of his total yards came against ODU and Tulane's defenses.

He's good no doubt but I agree; no way he gets to 4,000 again.

You could do that shat with any QB.

Regardless, that's the offense bud. We throw a lot of short passes and keep the chains moving. It's a proven system and he's a product of it that runs it beautifully.

He has a shot at breaking the all time career completion percentage record and Hardy should break the all time receptions record.

Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

(07-21-2014 12:03 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  and that 2 years ago carden only threw 3100 yds passing, no aac qb did that last year (gilbert maybe if he stayed healthy, and he was doing around 55 passes a game because they had no run game)..we'll see

He didn't start the first two games or even play in the first game vs an FCS school.

7-1 that year vs CUSA. Almost 2700 yards in the last 9 games alone. 299 yards a game passing average to finish that season. I'd say he hit his grove that year down the stretch and never looked back last year. I expect 4k this year as well.

like knight time said, he gained nearly a 1000yd between odu and tulane (with OT) alone .....nccentral doesnt have a odu offense, that'll force your 1st string to stay in most of the game. tulanes defense has gotten better .

(07-21-2014 12:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

its not even remotely the same houston or memphis, they dont play ECU so its kinda a moot point, but houston was almost dead last in scoring defense in 2012 (110), and top 20 in 2013 under their new DC, memphis was #44 in 2013 (top 30 before the team quit after officially becoming non bowl eligible), and were top 3 in sacks before week 7 , they were 80 in defense in 2012

(07-21-2014 12:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

And those AAC teams (UCF included) have much better defenses going into 2014 than 2012.

In fact Houston, who runs a similar offense with a good QB, had tons of struggles against AAC teams last year. OKorn had these total yardages last year:

Temple 233
Memphis 198
USF 263
UCF 231
Louisville 121
Cincy 171

(07-21-2014 12:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  like knight time said, he gained nearly a 1000yd between odu and tulane (with OT) alone

Really. He was able to run yards up on 25 yard fields in OT. Come on. Last I check Tulane was an AAC team now as well.

What you tried to say was disingenuous crap that he only passed for 3100 yards without mentioning he was didn't even play but 2 quarters int he first 2 games and none at all vs our FCS cupcake. You also ignore how he he was an underclassmen first year starter and turned it on the last 9 games after the reigns were off. Nothing fake about it, he destroyed most of CUSA and UCF and Houston as bad as anyone that year.

Quote: .....nccentral doesnt have a odu offense, that'll force your 1st string to stay in most of the game. tulanes defense has gotten better and your trading.

WTF QB doesn't have big games during a season? This is such a dumb argument. You going to throw Bortles 400+ yard game out because it came against AAC power Temple? You act like there aren't piles of crap teams in the AAC.

Carden's going to get his numbers. You should know that from when you used to run this system with Kenum or from watching Carden throw all over Houston, UCF and Memphis as a sophmore.

(07-21-2014 12:33 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

And those AAC teams (UCF included) have much better defenses going into 2014 than 2012.

In fact Houston, who runs a similar offense with a good QB, had tons of struggles against AAC teams last year. OKorn had these total yardages last year:

Temple 233
Memphis 198
USF 263
UCF 231
Louisville 121
Cincy 171

Stop. Their Air Raid offense went to West Virginia and Texas Tech. They do not run what we do anymore and their QB barely completes 58% of his passes. If they do run it that's sure not an effective version of it. Leach has said you need to be in the high 60% for it to even be effective.

(07-21-2014 12:38 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:33 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

And those AAC teams (UCF included) have much better defenses going into 2014 than 2012.

In fact Houston, who runs a similar offense with a good QB, had tons of struggles against AAC teams last year. OKorn had these total yardages last year:

Temple 233
Memphis 198
USF 263
UCF 231
Louisville 121
Cincy 171

Stop. Their Air Raid offense went to West Virginia and Texas Tech. They do not run what we do anymore and their QB barely completes 58% of his passes. If they do run it that's sure not an effective version of it. Leach has said you need to be in the high 60% for it to even be effective.

Do you think his % had anything to do with the fact that he wasn't playing a CUSA schedule?

(07-21-2014 12:44 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Do you think his % had anything to do with the fact that he wasn't playing a CUSA schedule?

Stop. Carden completed high percentages of passes on just about everyone last year. It's what the system does. UNC, Virginia Tech, NC State......Tulsa and Tulane that will be in the AAC and some of the bowl teams like MTSU and Ohio who were better than the crap at the bottom of the AAC like USF, UConn, Temple etc that got blown out by FCS squads. You act like those schools weren't their to pad your stats like the McNessey States did on them but they were just as horrible if not more so than most of CUSA.

Carden as a sohmore
UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's

Those percentages look pretty nice the last time he saw you guys as an underclassmen.

Houston doesn't run the same system. It's clear. They got the Oklahoma State branch now. If it is, it's a bastard version of it because that's an essential attribute.

O'Korn really ran his completions up against crap like USF, Temple, and Rutgers, you know the $hitty AAC teams. There were a a lot of them too.

(07-21-2014 12:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

its not even remotely the same houston or memphis, they dont play ECU so its kinda a moot point, but houston was almost dead last in scoring defense in 2012 (110), and top 20 in 2013 under their new DC, memphis was #44 in 2013 (top 30 before the team quit after officially becoming non bowl eligible), and were top 3 in sacks before week 7 , they were 80 in defense in 2012

The AAC had some ****** offenses last year as well compared to old CUSA too. You can say what you want but CUSA in 2012 moved the ball. Not this dead ass AAC offenses year who couldn't even move it vs FCS schools in many cases.

(07-21-2014 12:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:44 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Do you think his % had anything to do with the fact that he wasn't playing a CUSA schedule?

Stop. Carden completed high percentages of passes on just about everyone last year. It's what the system does. UNC, Virginia Tech, NC State......Tulsa and Tulane that will be in the AAC and some of the bowl teams like MTSU and Ohio who were better than the crap at the bottom of the AAC like USF, UConn, Temple etc that got blown out by FCS squads. You act like those schools weren't their to pad your stats like the McNessey States did on them but they were just as horrible if not more so than most of CUSA.

Carden as a sohmore
UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's

Those percentages look pretty nice the last time he saw you guys as an underclassmen.

Houston doesn't run the same system. It's clear. They got the Oklahoma State branch now. If it is, it's a bastard version of it because that's an essential attribute.

O'Korn really ran his completions up against crap like USF, Temple, and Rutgers, you know the $hitty AAC teams. There were a a lot of them too.

usf was a decent defensive team, and forgetting that byu was a bordeline elite defense and he did fine.. we'lll see just how "$hitty" temple and usf is when you play them

(07-21-2014 01:02 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Carden as a sophmore

UCF 23-36, 298 yards 64% 1 TD 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
Houston 31-43 305 yards 72% 4TD 1 INT
Memphis 25-33 308 yards 76%, 5 TD's 0 INT's


Clearly he more than held his own against these AAC teams. This is two years latter as a more mature starter with his same star WR who is more mature running routes.

its not even remotely the same houston or memphis, they dont play ECU so its kinda a moot point, but houston was almost dead last in scoring defense in 2012 (110), and top 20 in 2013 under their new DC, memphis was #44 in 2013 (top 30 before the team quit after officially becoming non bowl eligible), and were top 3 in sacks before week 7 , they were 80 in defense in 2012

The AAC had some ****** offenses last year as well compared to old CUSA too. You can say what you want but CUSA in 2012 moved the ball. Not this dead ass AAC offenses year who couldn't even move it vs FCS schools in many cases.

dead offenses that had 3 qb drafted? including 2/3 of the first qbs picked? another 2 picked for the maxwell watchlist from their performances last year...

their was only 1 really bad offense in the AAC that was USF, 2 subpar in memphis/uconn everyone else could put up points....

You guys talk crap about our schedule but god these were awful teams.

USF (2-10)
lost 53-21 to McNessy St
lost 28-10 to FAU (6-6) and beat Cincy 2 weeks later who what one of the AAC's best!

UConn (3-9)
lost 33-18 to Towson
lost 12-41 to Buffalo
Punked the AAC and got all 3 of their wins int he AAC

Temple (2-10)
Lost to FCS Fordam and 1-11 Idaho

Memphis (3-9)
Lost to MTSU and ****** AAC teams like UConn and Temple


You can act like there weren't some god awful teams in the AAC last year but there were plenty.

(07-21-2014 01:13 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's great that ECU fans are back to telling everyone how much better they are again.

Better than who? I don't think anyone has said anything other than our QB deserves more respect on this thread. The problem is you talk about our schedule last year that BTW included Virginia Tech, North Carolina and NC State and give us no respect act like the AAC was this great ass conference last year that we will not be able to compete in, and ignore just how pathetic some of the teams were. A third of the AAC was horrible. Like as pathetic as you get. Really about half when you included losers like Rutgers and SMU.

You want to talk about getting better we did show improvement each of the last 2 years and actually return our star players driving that again for their senior year.

Quote: You would have thought failing to win a terrible CUSA last year would have silenced things just a bit, for just a while.

We were 10-3 with wins over North Carolina and NC State last year and got votes in both polls. No other CUSA team finished getting votes in each poll or as high as we did in the BCS polls. Two of the losses came by 8 total points and and an OT both to Bowl teams. We didn't have WTF losses like some teams. There's plenty to be proud of especially returning the driving forces behind it. Good luck replacing your team star. As we know O'Leary can just randomly drop shatty losing seasons at any point even this deep into his tenure there. UCF isn't immune.

Another ECU dick measuring contest, wonderful.

(07-21-2014 01:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You guys talk crap about our schedule but god these were awful teams.

USF (2-10)
lost 53-21 to McNessy St
lost 28-10 to FAU (6-6) and beat Cincy 2 weeks later who what one of the AAC's best!

UConn (3-9)
lost 33-18 to Towson
lost 12-41 to Buffalo
Got all 3 of their wins int he AAC

Temple (2-10)
Lost to FCS Fordam and 1-11 Idaho

Memphis (3-9)
Lost to MTSU and ****** AAC teams like UConn and Temple


You can act like there weren't some god awful teams in the AAC last year but there were plenty.

That was last year. Second half of the season Temple could have won their 6.
In 1999 UC went 3-8 but beat Wisconsin who the won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl.
Strange stuff happens

(07-21-2014 01:29 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 01:13 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's great that ECU fans are back to telling everyone how much better they are again.

Better than who? I don't think anyone has said anything other than our QB deserves more respect on this thread. The problem is you talk about our schedule last year that BTW included Virginia Tech, North Carolina and NC State and give us no respect act like the AAC was this great ass conference last year that we will not be able to compete in, and ignore just how pathetic some of the teams were. A third of the AAC was horrible. Like as pathetic as you get. Really about half when you included losers like Rutgers and SMU.

You want to talk about getting better we did show improvement each of the last 2 years and actually return our star players driving that again for their senior year.

Quote: You would have thought failing to win a terrible CUSA last year would have silenced things just a bit, for just a while.

We were 10-3 with wins over North Carolina and NC State last year and got votes in both polls. No other CUSA team finished getting votes in each poll or as high as we did in the BCS polls. Two of the losses came by 8 total points and and an OT both to Bowl teams. We didn't have WTF losses like some teams. There's plenty to be proud of especially returning the driving forces behind it. Good luck replacing your team star. As we know O'Leary can just randomly drop shatty losing seasons at any point even this deep into his tenure there. UCF isn't immune.

I'm sure we'll be fine considering this is a Top 10 team that returns essentially the entire defense, our star Freshman RB, and the entire WR corps that torched Baylor on short screen passes.

Thanks for the concern though.

Here's hoping ECU doesn't start 0-4.

(07-21-2014 01:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 01:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You guys talk crap about our schedule but god these were awful teams.

USF (2-10)
lost 53-21 to McNessy St
lost 28-10 to FAU (6-6) and beat Cincy 2 weeks later who what one of the AAC's best!

UConn (3-9)
lost 33-18 to Towson
lost 12-41 to Buffalo
Got all 3 of their wins int he AAC

Temple (2-10)
Lost to FCS Fordam and 1-11 Idaho

Memphis (3-9)
Lost to MTSU and ****** AAC teams like UConn and Temple


You can act like there weren't some god awful teams in the AAC last year but there were plenty.

That was last year. Second half of the season Temple could have won their 6.
In 1999 UC went 3-8 but beat Wisconsin who the won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl.
Strange stuff happens

The point is all we hear about is how we played in CUSA last year, even got to hear it on how our QB will have it tougher, but a huge chunk of these teams were as bad as it gets. Hell even CUSA teams last year really didn't **** the bed vs FCS crap like this or 1-11 Idaho. Forgive me for not shaking in my boots when this guy constantly talks up how we should be scared of Temple or USF.

(07-21-2014 01:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You guys talk crap about our schedule but god these were awful teams.

USF (2-10)
lost 53-21 to McNessy St
lost 28-10 to FAU (6-6) and beat Cincy 2 weeks later who what one of the AAC's best!

UConn (3-9)
lost 33-18 to Towson
lost 12-41 to Buffalo
Got all 3 of their wins int he AAC

Temple (2-10)
Lost to FCS Fordam and 1-11 Idaho

Memphis (3-9)
Lost to MTSU and ****** AAC teams like UConn and Temple


You can act like there weren't some god awful teams in the AAC last year but there were plenty.

mtsu beat marshall, how did ecu do??? temple and uconn both had different qbs and were trying to avoid playing freshman during those game, temple was playing connor rielly and uconn was playing whitmer theye were completely different teams under pj and cochran