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For the conservatives who say there is NO EVIDENCE of ISP douchebaggery
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For the conservatives who say there is NO EVIDENCE of ISP douchebaggery
... and that we don't need net neutrality:


Read this blog post by Level3. Level3 is one of the biggest backbone and peering companies in the world. If Comcast, AT&T, and Charter are your local gas station ... Level3 is the crude oil pipeline.

http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivi...mea-culpa/
07-18-2014 09:52 PM
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Verizon sucks. I left them years ago because they were too restrictive.
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(07-18-2014 11:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Verizon sucks. I left them years ago because they were too restrictive.

I left VZW when they killed unlimited data even though I was grandfathered.
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(07-18-2014 11:52 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 11:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Verizon sucks. I left them years ago because they were too restrictive.

I left VZW when they killed unlimited data even though I was grandfathered.

Excellent article by the way. Thanks for posting.

I left Verizon when I found out you couldn't change sim cards, use blue tooth to share with other phones, and of course their prices.
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(07-18-2014 11:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Verizon sucks. I left them years ago because they were too restrictive.

Verizon has piss poor coverage in El Paso.
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The posts on here are evidence that you do not need the government adding additional regulations. The free market will sort out the anomalies just fine. You see, you are free to choose Verizon or not.

And for those who were wondering, the internet is not an entitlement.
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Your other cell choices

Sprint - Bad, very bad billing customer service.

AT&T - Bad 4GLTE coverage but getting better.

T-Mobile - Barely keeping up

Fact is with evolving technology no one co. will be perfect for everyone. Go with the best coverage where your home and work are.
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(07-19-2014 08:02 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The posts on here are evidence that you do not need the government adding additional regulations. The free market will sort out the anomalies just fine. You see, you are free to choose Verizon or not.

And for those who were wondering, the internet is not an entitlement.

We're talking residential internet, not cellular. Your choice is typically, AT BEST, two companies for residential internet.
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(07-19-2014 08:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(07-19-2014 08:02 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The posts on here are evidence that you do not need the government adding additional regulations. The free market will sort out the anomalies just fine. You see, you are free to choose Verizon or not.

And for those who were wondering, the internet is not an entitlement.

We're talking residential internet, not cellular. Your choice is typically, AT BEST, two companies for residential internet.

Eh, no. I had three choices in my old home but two now. My daughter has five in a major met area.
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RE: For the conservatives who say there is NO EVIDENCE of ISP douchebaggery
as a conservative, I can say this issue is pretty low on my totem pole. I am not for restricting the net.

I am more concerned with the moral breakdown of our culture, the balkanization of the United States and the loss of control of our borders.
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Let's see,

A) Let the free marketplace work it out
B) Have the government get involved like Obamacare

Those are really your only two choices.
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(07-19-2014 10:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  as a conservative, I can say this issue is pretty low on my totem pole. I am not for restricting the net.

I am more concerned with the moral breakdown of our culture, the balkanization of the United States and the loss of control of our borders.

You better wake up. Without a free Internet nothing you care about has a prayer of surviving.
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(07-19-2014 10:55 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(07-19-2014 10:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  as a conservative, I can say this issue is pretty low on my totem pole. I am not for restricting the net.

I am more concerned with the moral breakdown of our culture, the balkanization of the United States and the loss of control of our borders.

You better wake up. Without a free Internet nothing you care about has a prayer of surviving.

and when the country falls apart, why will it matter? You better wake up, because we have much bigger issues on our hands.

The notion that conservatives control the FCC is obnoxious.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/neil_steve...eutrality/
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(07-19-2014 08:52 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Eh, no. I had three choices in my old home but two now. My daughter has five in a major met area.

Greenville-Spartanburg, SC. I'm in a Top 50 media market. Less than 5 minutes from city limits. In a two-city metro area (two cities separated by about 20 minutes drive with a shared airport in between) that is the 38th largest CSA at about 1.5 million.

Service options:
- Cable: Charter. Just upgraded from 30 mbit to 60 mbit if you're very close to the urban core or in it. Capped.
- Telco: AT&T (formerly Bellsouth) (<=6 mbit) or Windstream (formerly Nuvox) (<=10-15 mbit last I checked) ... they have very little overlap and don't fight over turf much. Both are slow and capped.
- WISP: Globalvision .... expensive but the only option above 6 mbit in some more rural parts of the exurbs.

The average carrier availability is probably just over 4 if you're in downtown Greenville proper, but falling off quickly to 2 to 2.5 once you get more than 5-10 minutes out of downtown Greenville. In the two small counties that seat this two city CSA, there are several municipalities with only ONE option. In some there was zero leading to micro-carriers that only exist to (poorly) service some of these areas, like ChesNet ( http://chesnet.net/ ).
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