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Quote: In what appears to be the ultimate modern demonstration of "drinking the Kool-Aid," Republicans across the spectrum seem to have entered a pact in sticking together to defend, and even celebrate, campaign tactics predicated on gross voter fraud and manipulation of minority voters. In fact, given recent campaign finance disclosures, it seems clear some Senate Republican leaders helped pay for the attacks on their own base in Mississippi.

One senator, however, has broken the silence and is speaking out: Sen. Ted Cruz, who, ironically, holds an official position with the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Cruz has described the Mississippi fiasco as "appalling" and called for a "vigorous investigation" of possible criminal conduct in an interview with radio host Mark Levin.

Yet, in light of this principled call to ensure voting integrity, the Establishment remains undeterred, if not emboldened. The day after Sen. Cruz gave his interview, the NRSC hosted a reception to thank those who, according to the invitation, "generously supported and promoted Sen. Cochran's campaign during the primary."

One would think that Sen. Cruz would be joined by members such as Rand Paul, who, like Cruz, defeated a heavily-funded, NRSC-backed candidate in his own primary races.

Sen. Paul has distanced himself from the Republican voters seeking justice in this situation, commenting that, "I'm for more people voting, not less people voting," and adding -- for good measure -- "I think the people of Mississippi spoke, and I think Thad Cochran has done a lot of good things for Mississippi."

Similarly, Sen. Marco Rubio told the Wall Street Journal: "I think Thad Cochran found whatever tactics he could use to win his election and people could have an opinion about that, but at this point we should move forward and make sure we retain that seat."

Rand Paul is going out of his way to empower the establishment, throwing his star-power weight behind some of it's worst offenders. In perhaps the most public example, Rand Paul took the floor alongside Mitch McConnell in the minutes following Sen. Ted Cruz's 21-hour filibuster to deliver a colloquy designed to belittle the entire heroic effort.

He followed with an op-ed declaring the effort as misguided as Obamacare itself. His alliance with McConnell continued throughout that primary fight, with Rand Paul delivering his utmost support and enthusiasm for the defeat of a promising tea party candidate in his home state of Kentucky. More befuddling, Paul traveled to Maine to declare that he "wholeheartedly endorse(s) Sen. Collins for re-election" -- the same Susan Collins who maintains an impeccable record of establishment bidding in Washington.

Now, Paul's commitment to defending the status quo continues, as he lends active support to the re-election of Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander. Just months ago, all three of these Paul endorsees gave the American people a stiff arm by voting in favor of a "clean" debt ceiling increase. These are frontline battles in the fight to "Make D.C. Listen," yet Paul unabashedly lends each his support to those who stand consistently on the other side of the line.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, has chosen to stand alone, again and again, against the establishment. From helping lead the charge to filibuster what the establishment said was inevitable gun control, to standing toe-to-toe with the administration in a fight to defund Obamacare, to challenging his own party bosses by demanding a 60-vote threshold to increase the debt ceiling without any spending reforms, Cruz takes bullets from his own party for daring to challenge the system.

The Republican Party will not change itself. No one is going to change the party with a magical speech delivered eloquently on the Senate floor. We will not win the argument in Washington. We must remake the party one hard-fought seat at a time, focusing intently on the principles we believe can turn this country around, rather than the men who feel entitled to maintain those seats. But Ted Cruz has laid the groundwork with his campaign to "Make D.C. Listen."

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I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.
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(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

Who?
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(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

Considering congress's approval ratings are much worse than even Soetoro's, I think the overhaul will bolster support and is long overdue.
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If he's in charge. I'm good. He's incompetent. He can't sell his ideas to anyone not already on board with his plans, he can't legislate his way out of a paper bag, and he repels millions of independents and moderates.
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(07-18-2014 10:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

Considering congress's approval ratings are much worse than even Soetoro's, I think the overhaul will bolster support and is long overdue.

The problem with that is how stupid the electorate is. Most people live by talking points and wouldn't even understand the overhaul.

The solution is for the conservative movement to take control of the media.

and when I say conservative, I don't mean the libertarian idea of conservatism where we scale down the military, legalize drugs and live in a society where anything goes.
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Give 'em heck Ted.
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You are priceless OKIE. Now the libs have infiltrated your party and are destroying it. You never, ever
take responsibility for the mess that is your party. The classic victim.
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(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

I actually agree with you here for once...

Quote:The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

... but this is where you lost me. What the right wing of the Republican Party is doing is driving away the low tax and free enterprise-minded segment of the party that either doesn't care about the party's socially conservative agenda or downright can't stand it. I know it because I'm one of those people (although I still haven't crossed over to vote for the Democrats yet because they manage to construct even more populist economic policies that are horrific). I'm not some random liberal that has "infiltrated" the party - I've been in the party for years yet the GOP is pushing people like me away. The thing is that people like me (upper income educated professionals in the suburbs that are fiscally conservative and socially moderate or to the left) are the ones deciding elections now in the swing states. The GOP had a hold on those people for a long time and won elections. Now they've lost those people and, not surprisingly, are now losing elections. Rooting out "liberals" is the least of the concerns of the Republicans. The GOP isn't winning Presidential elections unless it *expands* beyond its conservative base (which inherently means drawing in voters that are to the left of the base of the party on various issues).
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(07-18-2014 05:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

I actually agree with you here for once...

Quote:The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

... but this is where you lost me. What the right wing of the Republican Party is doing is driving away the low tax and free enterprise-minded segment of the party that either doesn't care about the party's socially conservative agenda or downright can't stand it. I know it because I'm one of those people (although I still haven't crossed over to vote for the Democrats yet because they manage to construct even more populist economic policies that are horrific). I'm not some random liberal that has "infiltrated" the party - I've been in the party for years yet the GOP is pushing people like me away. The thing is that people like me (upper income educated professionals in the suburbs that are fiscally conservative and socially moderate or to the left) are the ones deciding elections now in the swing states. The GOP had a hold on those people for a long time and won elections. Now they've lost those people and, not surprisingly, are now losing elections. Rooting out "liberals" is the least of the concerns of the Republicans. The GOP isn't winning Presidential elections unless it *expands* beyond its conservative base (which inherently means drawing in voters that are to the left of the base of the party on various issues).

I call bs. Tell me, what is driving you away? What social position has suddenly changed in the party that you can't stand it?

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(07-18-2014 10:31 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

Who?


In the senate alone, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Bob Corker, Mitch McConnell for starters.
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"Republicans across the spectrum seem to have entered a pact in sticking together to defend, and even celebrate, campaign tactics predicated on gross voter fraud and manipulation of minority voters."

That speaks volumes.
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(07-18-2014 11:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  "Republicans across the spectrum seem to have entered a pact in sticking together to defend, and even celebrate, campaign tactics predicated on gross voter fraud and manipulation of minority voters."

That speaks volumes.

About the bias of the author.
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(07-18-2014 10:31 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

Who?

Peter King
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(07-18-2014 08:31 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 05:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

I actually agree with you here for once...

Quote:The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

... but this is where you lost me. What the right wing of the Republican Party is doing is driving away the low tax and free enterprise-minded segment of the party that either doesn't care about the party's socially conservative agenda or downright can't stand it. I know it because I'm one of those people (although I still haven't crossed over to vote for the Democrats yet because they manage to construct even more populist economic policies that are horrific). I'm not some random liberal that has "infiltrated" the party - I've been in the party for years yet the GOP is pushing people like me away. The thing is that people like me (upper income educated professionals in the suburbs that are fiscally conservative and socially moderate or to the left) are the ones deciding elections now in the swing states. The GOP had a hold on those people for a long time and won elections. Now they've lost those people and, not surprisingly, are now losing elections. Rooting out "liberals" is the least of the concerns of the Republicans. The GOP isn't winning Presidential elections unless it *expands* beyond its conservative base (which inherently means drawing in voters that are to the left of the base of the party on various issues).

I call bs. Tell me, what is driving you away? What social position has suddenly changed in the party that you can't stand it?

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I don't think it's the social position that has changed as much as the fiscal position. I think he was probably willing to put up with the social positions as long as he got something on the fiscal pro-business side. But he's not willing to put up with the social issues in order to get GWB.
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It will be interesting to see if by 2016:

- The establishment returns Paul's large and generous constant favors
- There is any of the original Rand left from circa 2008-2010.
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(07-19-2014 02:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 08:31 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 05:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

I actually agree with you here for once...

Quote:The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

... but this is where you lost me. What the right wing of the Republican Party is doing is driving away the low tax and free enterprise-minded segment of the party that either doesn't care about the party's socially conservative agenda or downright can't stand it. I know it because I'm one of those people (although I still haven't crossed over to vote for the Democrats yet because they manage to construct even more populist economic policies that are horrific). I'm not some random liberal that has "infiltrated" the party - I've been in the party for years yet the GOP is pushing people like me away. The thing is that people like me (upper income educated professionals in the suburbs that are fiscally conservative and socially moderate or to the left) are the ones deciding elections now in the swing states. The GOP had a hold on those people for a long time and won elections. Now they've lost those people and, not surprisingly, are now losing elections. Rooting out "liberals" is the least of the concerns of the Republicans. The GOP isn't winning Presidential elections unless it *expands* beyond its conservative base (which inherently means drawing in voters that are to the left of the base of the party on various issues).

I call bs. Tell me, what is driving you away? What social position has suddenly changed in the party that you can't stand it?

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I don't think it's the social position that has changed as much as the fiscal position. I think he was probably willing to put up with the social positions as long as he got something on the fiscal pro-business side. But he's not willing to put up with the social issues in order to get GWB.

I agree about GWB, but this thread is about Ted Cruz. Cruz is literally the only one in Washington standing up for fiscal sanity right now. Now if you are talking Wall Street welfare when you say "pro-business", then maybe he ought to vote democrat because that isnt something Cruz conservatism puts up with.

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(07-19-2014 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-19-2014 02:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 08:31 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 05:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

I actually agree with you here for once...

Quote:The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

... but this is where you lost me. What the right wing of the Republican Party is doing is driving away the low tax and free enterprise-minded segment of the party that either doesn't care about the party's socially conservative agenda or downright can't stand it. I know it because I'm one of those people (although I still haven't crossed over to vote for the Democrats yet because they manage to construct even more populist economic policies that are horrific). I'm not some random liberal that has "infiltrated" the party - I've been in the party for years yet the GOP is pushing people like me away. The thing is that people like me (upper income educated professionals in the suburbs that are fiscally conservative and socially moderate or to the left) are the ones deciding elections now in the swing states. The GOP had a hold on those people for a long time and won elections. Now they've lost those people and, not surprisingly, are now losing elections. Rooting out "liberals" is the least of the concerns of the Republicans. The GOP isn't winning Presidential elections unless it *expands* beyond its conservative base (which inherently means drawing in voters that are to the left of the base of the party on various issues).

I call bs. Tell me, what is driving you away? What social position has suddenly changed in the party that you can't stand it?

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I don't think it's the social position that has changed as much as the fiscal position. I think he was probably willing to put up with the social positions as long as he got something on the fiscal pro-business side. But he's not willing to put up with the social issues in order to get GWB.

I agree about GWB, but this thread is about Ted Cruz. Cruz is literally the only one in Washington standing up for fiscal sanity right now. Now if you are talking Wall Street welfare when you say "pro-business", then maybe he ought to vote democrat because that isnt something Cruz conservatism puts up with.

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Yes but the referenced comment was about why he became disenchanted with the GOP.

Here's the problem. You've got maybe 25 percent who support the republican religious right theocracy and maybe 25 percent who support the democrat socialist/communist workers paradise. The other 50 percent of us don't want either one. You can't win any election with the base. You have to win a majority if those in the middle. And if democrats worry more about winning elections and republicans worry more about ideological purity, guess who gets more votes from the middle? Every time. And that bothers me to no end, because the only people I hate worse than republicans are democrats. I don't want to live in a theocracy or a socialist/communist workers' paradise. But if those are my only two choices, I pick theocracy over socialism/communism any day of the week.

Case in point right now. Republicans are trying to take the senate this fall. They have a very winnable seat with a weak democrat incumbent in NC. Hagan voted for Obamacare and is vulnerable on other issues. Her strategy seems to be to expand the lies about Hobby Lobby into some war against contraception. So what is her opponent doing? According to the Hagan thread, he's trying to push a pro-life license plate through the legislature. Now is not the time for that. In fact it would be hard to imagine a worse time. That's the kind of electoral stupidity that republicans need to get away from. And I hope they do because right now stupid republicans are the only thing standing between us and evil democrats.
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(07-19-2014 01:42 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:31 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(07-18-2014 10:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think we need to focus on winning the White House and throwing out the Democrats before we think about a party overhaul. Unless an ongoing overhaul bolsters support.

The problem is that we have allowed liberals to infiltrate the party.

Who?

Peter King

Atta boy! Go after the only Republican that has managed to keep his seat long term in NY State. Nevermind that he's the best you'll ever get in NY for more than one term. And that's in a state where the Republicans have held veto power over redistricting for the last 40 years+.

Louie Goehmert can't win in New York. Anywhere in New York. So you have three choices. 1) Nominate candidates who support you 80% of the time like King, or 2) put up people who might win one crazy election and then get tossed after one term, or 3) nominate candidates that can't win ever.

Currently, the GOP holds 3 Congressional seats in NY/NE. Three out of FIFTY seats. Two of the GOP seats are in serious trouble. King's isn't one of them. By the way, there is a Republican who might win a seat in Mass. If elected, he'd be the only GOP member of Congress from New England. If you don't like King, you'll positively loathe Tisei. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Tisei
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As long as he/she votes against Nancy Pelosi for speaker, republicans should love any congressman/woman.
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