Of course subjective, but interesting as to where Universities rank in general.

http://cwur.org/2014/

) Quality of Education, measured by the number of a university's alumni who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals relative to the university's size [25%]
2) Alumni Employment, measured by the number of a university's alumni who currently hold CEO positions at the world's top companies relative to the university's size [25%]
3) Quality of Faculty, measured by the number of academics who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals [25%]
4) Publications, measured by the number of research papers appearing in reputable journals [5%]
5) Influence, measured by the number of research papers appearing in highly-influential journals [5%]
6) Citations, measured by the number of highly-cited research papers [5%]
7) Broad Impact, measured by the university's h-Index [5%]
8) Patents, measured by the number of international patent filings [5%]

229 US Universities show up on this ranking. Every P5 school except TCU is ranked

G5 by Conference:

AAC - all but Navy and Tulsa
C-USA - all but WKU, MTSU and Marshall
MWC - all but AF, Fresno, SJSU and Boise
MAC - all but EMU, CMU and Ball State
Sun Belt - ONLY South Alabama and Georgia State. Football affiliates NMSU and Idaho are on the list
BYU made the list.


Of FCS or other DI conferences:
IVY - all
America East - 8 schools
Atlantic 10 - 7 schools
Big Sky - 6 schools
Big West - 5 schools
Summit/CAA and Horizon with 4 each

A-Sun, Big South, MAAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley and SWAC had zero schools listed

(07-17-2014 12:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  229 US Universities show up on this ranking. Every P5 school except TCU is ranked

G5 by Conference:

AAC - all but Navy, Tulsa and USF
C-USA - all but WKU, MTSU and Marshall
MWC - all but AF, Fresno, SJSU and Boise
MAC - all but EMU, CMU and Ball State
Sun Belt - ONLY South Alabama and Georgia State. Football affiliates NMSU and Idaho are on the list
BYU made the list.


Of FCS or other DI conferences:
IVY - all
America East - 8 schools
Atlantic 10 - 7 schools
Big Sky - 6 schools
Big West - 5 schools
Summit/CAA and Horizon with 4 each

A-Sun, Big South, MAAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley and SWAC had zero schools listed

USF is on there at #173

(07-17-2014 02:13 PM)callmebigeast Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  229 US Universities show up on this ranking. Every P5 school except TCU is ranked

G5 by Conference:

AAC - all but Navy, Tulsa and USF
C-USA - all but WKU, MTSU and Marshall
MWC - all but AF, Fresno, SJSU and Boise
MAC - all but EMU, CMU and Ball State
Sun Belt - ONLY South Alabama and Georgia State. Football affiliates NMSU and Idaho are on the list
BYU made the list.


Of FCS or other DI conferences:
IVY - all
America East - 8 schools
Atlantic 10 - 7 schools
Big Sky - 6 schools
Big West - 5 schools
Summit/CAA and Horizon with 4 each

A-Sun, Big South, MAAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley and SWAC had zero schools listed

USF is on there at #173

Thanks - missed that - will edit

(07-17-2014 12:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  229 US Universities show up on this ranking. Every P5 school except TCU is ranked

G5 by Conference:

AAC - all but Navy and Tulsa
C-USA - all but WKU, MTSU and Marshall
MWC - all but AF, Fresno, SJSU and Boise
MAC - all but EMU, CMU and Ball State
Sun Belt - ONLY South Alabama and Georgia State. Football affiliates NMSU and Idaho are on the list
BYU made the list.


Of FCS or other DI conferences:
IVY - all
America East - 8 schools
Atlantic 10 - 7 schools
Big Sky - 6 schools
Big West - 5 schools
Summit/CAA and Horizon with 4 each

A-Sun, Big South, MAAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley and SWAC had zero schools listed

What about the MVC and MVFC ?

AAC Rankings:

#162 - Houston
#171 - SMU
#173 - USF
#177 - Cincinnati
#233 - UConn
#234 - Tulane
#390 - Temple
#401 - UCF
#716 - Memphis
#718 - ECU
NR - Tulsa
NR - Navy

Here are the FBS schools in the top 100 in order:
1) Stanford
2) Cal
3) UCLA
4) Michigan
5) NW
6) Wisconsin
7) Duke
8) ILL
9) UT
10) UW
11) RU
12) UVA
13) UNC
14) PSU
15) tOSU
16) UMN
17) USC
18) Purdue
19) Pitt
20) FLA
21) Utah
22) Colorado
23) ND
24) AZ
25) Vandy
26) UMD
27) GT

B1G: 10 (including expansion schools PSU, UMD, and RU)
PAC: 8 (including expansion schools UU and CU)
ACC: 6 (including expansion school Pitt and B1G targets UVA and UNC)
SEC: 2
BigXII: 1 (including PAC target UT)

This sure argues the importance of academics in expansion.

Texas Arlington (SBC) is on there.

(07-17-2014 09:30 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Here are the FBS schools in the top 100 in order:
1) Stanford
2) Cal
3) UCLA
4) Michigan
5) NW
6) Wisconsin
7) Duke
8) ILL
9) UT
10) UW
11) RU
12) UVA
13) UNC
14) PSU
15) tOSU
16) UMN
17) USC
18) Purdue
19) Pitt
20) FLA
21) Utah
22) Colorado
23) ND
24) AZ
25) Vandy
26) UMD
27) GT

B1G: 10 (including expansion schools PSU, UMD, and RU)
PAC: 8 (including expansion schools UU and CU)
ACC: 6 (including expansion school Pitt and B1G targets UVA and UNC)
SEC: 2
BigXII: 1 (including PAC target UT)

This sure argues the importance of academics in expansion.

Here are the rest for the P5

28 - TAMU
29 - ASU
30 - Michigan State
31 - Indiana
32 - Iowa
33 - Miami
34 - Wake Forest
35 - Iowa State
36 - Mizzou
37 - Kansas
38 - Georgia
39 - LSU
40 - Tennessee
41 - NC State
42 - Oklahoma
43 - FSU
44 - Kentucky
45 - Oregon State
46 - VT
47 - South Carolina
48 - Kansas State
49 - Louisville
50 - BC
51 - Nebraska
52 - Oregon
53 - Oklahoma State
54 - Alabama
55 - West Va
56 - Ole Miss
57 - Syracuse
58 - Baylor
59 - Arkansas
60 - Texas Tech
61 - Mississippi State
62 - Clemson
63 - Auburn
64 - TCU

If you use the rankings with all the US schools you get the following:

B10

Average 41
Range 16-145
Top 4 Average - 18

P12

Average 51
Range 2-126
Top 4 Average - 11

ACC

Average 80
Range 19-163
Top 4 Average - 27

SEC

Average 105
Range 38-171
Top 4 Average 56

B12

Average 122
Range 22-230
Top 4 Average 71

What jumps out immediately is that the B10 and SEC are extremely homogenous leagues. The P12 and ACC are very diverse, the ACC more so. The B12 is has one huge outlier - Texas. There are 58 spots between the B12's first and second school 22 to 80 for Iowa State.

That range between one and two are 2 and 6 in the P12, 16 and 17 in the B10, 19 and 26 in the ACC, and 38 to 46 in the SEC.

MVC had two schools - Loyola and SIU

Go5 schools compared to P5 benchmarks:
2) PAC high
16) B1G high
19) ACC high
22) B12 high
38) SEC high
41) B1G average
51) PAC average
58) Rice
70) Houston
72) UAB
74) SMU
76) USF
78) Cinci
80) ACC average
82) UNM
88) UMASS
94) UCONN
95) Tulane
103) UTSA
105) SEC average
108) CSU
110) Buffalo
122) B12-TCU average
125) B1G low
126) PAC low
127) SDSU
136) Temple
137) UCF
139) BYU
145) Miami U
148) Nevada
149) Ohio
150) NMSU
151) Hawaii
156) Akron
157) Wyoming
163) ACC low
164) GA St
167) USU
171) SEC low
173) Kent St
176) NIU
184) Idaho
185)
230) B12-TCU low

Coog High is the best academic school in the AAC?

"Best" is a relative term.

Ranked highest in the American using the CWUR methodology?

Yes.

Ranked ahead of everyone in the Big 12 not named Texas?

Yes.

And not all good public schools have football. California dominates the top of the list:
2 Stanford
7 UC-Berkeley
12 Cal Tech
15 UCLA
20 UC-San Diego
27 UC-San Francisco (medical school)
51 USC
57 UC-Davis
60 UC-Santa Barbara
80 UC-Irvine
167 UC-Santa Cruz
222 UC-Riverside
348 San Diego St.
All the UC schools except the brand new one at Merced are 222 or higher.

Texas actually has more ranked in the top 500 than California (top 500 was as far as I looked) 15-13, but can't match them at the top.
29 Texas
66 UT Southwestern Medical Center (Dallas)
104 UT MD Anderson Cancer Center (Houston)
105 Texas A&M
108 Rice
121 Baylor College of Medicine (Houston)
143 UT-Dallas
162 Houston
171 SMU
239 UT Health Science Center San Antonio
256 UT-San Antonio
274 UT Health Science Center Houston
379 UT Medical Branch Galveston
473 Baylor
480 Texas Tech

(07-18-2014 07:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  And not all good public schools have football. California dominates the top of the list:
2 Stanford
7 UC-Berkeley
12 Cal Tech
15 UCLA
20 UC-San Diego
27 UC-San Francisco (medical school)
51 USC
57 UC-Davis
60 UC-Santa Barbara
80 UC-Irvine
167 UC-Santa Cruz
222 UC-Riverside
348 San Diego St.
All the UC schools except the brand new one at Merced are 222 or higher.

Texas actually has more ranked in the top 500 than California (top 500 was as far as I looked) 15-13, but can't match them at the top.
27 Texas
66 UT Southwestern Medical Center (Dallas)
104 UT MD Anderson Cancer Center (Houston)
105 Texas A&M
108 Rice
121 Baylor College of Medicine (Houston)
143 UT-Dallas
162 Houston
171 SMU
239 UT Health Science Center San Antonio
256 UT-San Antonio
274 UT Health Science Center Houston
379 UT Medical Branch Galveston
473 Baylor
480 Texas Tech

Another difference is that the Texas schools include six pure medical schools, California only one. Pulling those out and the Cali is back ahead.

One thing that stands out is that the AAC is not far behind the BigXII in this ranking system-if it's behind at all. Any of the hypothetical AAC/MWC "best of" conferences might even be closer to the ACC than to the BigXII.

A lot gets made of AAU status, but this ranking system and the ARWU ranking system both give the appearance that Kansas and ISU are not in great shape for retaining that membership if further reductions are made.

What jumps out immediately is that the B10 and SEC are extremely homogenous leagues. The P12 and ACC are very diverse, the ACC more so. The B12 is has one huge outlier - Texas. There are 58 spots between the B12's first and second school 22 to 80 for Iowa State.

That range between one and two are 2 and 6 in the P12, 16 and 17 in the B10, 19 and 26 in the ACC, and 38 to 46 in the SEC.
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The Big Ten has 1 big outlier. Nebraska.
2nd lowest is Iowa at #63 in USA rankings and Nebraska the lowest in Big Ten at #125.

(07-18-2014 01:24 PM)goofus Wrote:  What jumps out immediately is that the B10 and SEC are extremely homogenous leagues. The P12 and ACC are very diverse, the ACC more so. The B12 is has one huge outlier - Texas. There are 58 spots between the B12's first and second school 22 to 80 for Iowa State.

That range between one and two are 2 and 6 in the P12, 16 and 17 in the B10, 19 and 26 in the ACC, and 38 to 46 in the SEC.

The Big Ten has 1 big outlier. Nebraska.
2nd lowest is Iowa at #63 in USA rankings and Nebraska the lowest in Big Ten at #125.

The B1G and PAC have a similar range, but the B1G schools are mostly clustered around their mean (one low outlier in Nebraska) whereas the PAC schools have 3 high outliers (Furd, Cal, and UCLA) and three low outliers (WSU, OU, OSU). The ACC has a much broader range than both the PAC and the B1G but has a similar distribution of high and low outliers at the extreme ends of their range as the PAC.

(07-18-2014 01:24 PM)goofus Wrote:  What jumps out immediately is that the B10 and SEC are extremely homogenous leagues. The P12 and ACC are very diverse, the ACC more so. The B12 is has one huge outlier - Texas. There are 58 spots between the B12's first and second school 22 to 80 for Iowa State.

That range between one and two are 2 and 6 in the P12, 16 and 17 in the B10, 19 and 26 in the ACC, and 38 to 46 in the SEC.

The Big Ten has 1 big outlier. Nebraska.
2nd lowest is Iowa at #63 in USA rankings and Nebraska the lowest in Big Ten at #125.
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SEC isn't particularly homogenous, 38-171. National rankings:
FL 38
Vandy 46
A&M 56
Mo 85
UGA 87
LSU 89
TN 92
UK 105
SC 116
AL 134
MS 143
AR 154
MSU 161
AU 171

Big 12
Texas 22 (29)
ISU 80 (182)
KU 86 (203)
OU 96 (235)
KSU 120 (319)
OSU 132 (365)
WVU 142 (439)
Bay 153 (477)
Tech 155 (480)