(07-12-2014 11:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 11:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 10:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 10:37 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Identification is a compelling government interest. You'll lose. Nothing you are saying changes that. That's what I tried to tell you early but you're really fired up trying to play the victim.

Again, then make grandmother take a pic with undyed hair, no wig/extension, and no dentures.

Isn't there some legal concept related to uneven application of the law?

Why is this compelling interest applicable to a Trans person but not to a straight woman?

It's called an as applied challenge as opposed to a challenge on the face.

The two situations are not analogous. The grandma is appearing the same as she actually is, her legal person if you will. The Trans person is not, because they are males.

I have no problem with them changing the ID after the person has finished and is legally a female. However, you must appear as the person you are not who you wish to be.

So basically grandma can 'appear' as any female she wishes so long as she appears female.

The ID clearly says "M" on it. I don't see where the 'deception' is.

I just don't see any difference. If you say no changes to appearance then apply it to everyone. No wig for a Trans person? No toupee for a man nor any wig for a female. No makeup? Then the same applies for everyone.

Now obviously they'd never do that to grandma. Because it would humiliate her. You see humiliation is for the Trans people only.

Grandma isn't appearing as she really is. She has no teeth. She has a wig on. And when did we have a legal dress code anyway?

So WV allows men to wear wigs (and I'll bet you any amount of money that I could put on any number of wigs and get a WV ID), but only wigs that appear, in the opinion of some arbitrary person, to be 'male' (e.g., toupees). I suppose we need a wig regulation telling people what kind of wigs are acceptable and which ones aren't. My guess is that wigs that aren't are those worn by people not liked by the capricious and arbitrary decision of the DMV employee
And if the Trans person is female to male, will they make them WEAR a wig to not have a male haircut?

Keep reaching.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

Quote:It's real simple but apparently you two don't understand basics. A male/female just are. Doesn't matter if they want/feel/believe they're the other. They aren't.

Close the thread.

I was hoping someone would point this out.

Pen!s = man and vag!na = woman. Pretty simple, folks.

Quote:They need help. Their parents failed. Now many in the medical fields are failing them. A doctor issuing orders to "present" what you want/feel/believe is doing a disservice.

Parents may not have failed, but no doubt trans gendered folks do need help. The problem is they go to doctors who realize a cash cow when they see one. So they play along and agree Chuck really is a woman inside and simply has a pen!s.

So the doctors and therapists make serious $$$$ by explaining that Chuck can = Charlene by dressing like a woman, shaving more often, wearing perfume, high heels, going in women's restrooms to urinate, etc.

That is absolute horsesh!t.

Even if Chuck went the whole 9 yards and had his pen!s removed surgically....HE IS STILL A MAN.

Quote:You know, if a Trans person committed a crime and they needed a photo to try and find this person,

Trans persons are committting a crime, each day. But it's a crime against nature and the police simply are incapable of enforcing THOSE laws.

Sorry, but those "transgendered" individuals are simply frigging fruitcakes. Nuts. Sick.

Gotta call them what ever the hell you like and not worry about it. If they start calling them trans in W Virginia, then that will be deemed an offense. Eventually they will insist on being called male/female, boy/girl and anything else will get you a very severe scolding from JDT. With a few words that don't apply directed at you. You know, in the name of equality and civil rights.

If a man is offended by an appendage hanging between his legs, he's abdicated any and all say in the matter. I'm not going to pamper him with language.

My suggestion to a TRANNY (only a thin skinned little prick gets their bloody panties in a wad over that) would be to find one of those <1% of medical doctors who might be willing to actually offer sound medical advice. You know, along the lines of "your a boy dumb***".

(07-13-2014 12:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Gotta call them what ever the hell you like and not worry about it. If they start calling them trans in W Virginia, then that will be deemed an offense. Eventually they will insist on being called male/female, boy/girl and anything else will get you a very severe scolding from JDT. With a few words that don't apply directed at you. You know, in the name of equality and civil rights.

If a man is offended by an appendage hanging between his legs, he's abdicated any and all say in the matter. I'm not going to pamper him with language.

My suggestion to a TRANNY (only a thin skinned little prick gets their bloody panties in a wad over that) would be to find one of those <1% of medical doctors who might be willing to actually offer sound medical advice. You know, along the lines of "your a boy dumb***".

JD is a coward. That's as plain as I can make it. He can't/won't "debate" somebody who takes a bottom line approach in life.

The bottom line is a person can be convinced he's in the wrong body and surgery can be performed to make him think he's in the correct body, but chromosomes don't lie. I'm not trying to insult Tom or anyone else, but when a guy thinks he's a girl and the surgery is complete he's still a man made up to look like a woman. And if you think about the biological part of this, the reason we have women is just so they can be impregnated by men and our species then continues on to another generation. No amount of surgery or psychological care will ever allow a man to do that.

Tom, I respect your dedication to your cause, but transgendered people shouldn't even be lumped in with gays and lesbians, it's an entirely different set of issues.

(07-13-2014 12:28 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 12:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Gotta call them what ever the hell you like and not worry about it. If they start calling them trans in W Virginia, then that will be deemed an offense. Eventually they will insist on being called male/female, boy/girl and anything else will get you a very severe scolding from JDT. With a few words that don't apply directed at you. You know, in the name of equality and civil rights.

If a man is offended by an appendage hanging between his legs, he's abdicated any and all say in the matter. I'm not going to pamper him with language.

My suggestion to a TRANNY (only a thin skinned little prick gets their bloody panties in a wad over that) would be to find one of those <1% of medical doctors who might be willing to actually offer sound medical advice. You know, along the lines of "your a boy dumb***".

JD is a coward. That's as plain as I can make it. He can't/won't "debate" somebody who takes a bottom line approach in life.

JD's response runs along the lines of "don't call fags, fag, you bigoted homophobic redneck racist uninformed woman hating terrorist right-wing teabagging Bible thumping freedom loving American pro life prick.

Some of that's true, some ain't. None of it bothers me.

But then I'm not a left wing whining little douchy uninformed woman hating bigoted racist pink shirt Wall Street terrorist God hating socialist Constitution stomping flag burning dead baby eating prick.

Maybe some of that's true, some maybe not. But it will sure get some offense being taken.

Here's the thing about names - conservatives can only lose when they're used. If we use a word they don't like, they label us haters and we're the bad guys. They get to call us racists and homophobes and again we're the bad guys. When we use words they don't like the worst that could happen to them is they get offended, and the best is that they get political ammunition. But when they label us racists and homophobes careers can be ruined and bakers have to go to court to protect their business.

(07-13-2014 12:18 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 11:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  What's a Trans person? Are you referring to a Tranny?

Why? Just why?! I don't get people who wake up and think "Man, can't wait to use insulting terms for populations I disagree with". They don't like the term tranny. So stop using it. You make my skin crawl.

Have you been tested for loiasis?

(07-13-2014 05:09 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 12:18 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 11:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  What's a Trans person? Are you referring to a Tranny?

Why? Just why?! I don't get people who wake up and think "Man, can't wait to use insulting terms for populations I disagree with". They don't like the term tranny. So stop using it. You make my skin crawl.

Have you been tested for loiasis?

Are you a medical doctor? LOL

(07-11-2014 09:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  WV could lose that lawsuit. Medical professionals require that persons seeking transition present the gender they wish to be reassigned to for a period of several years.

Does WV have a voter ID requirement? If that's the case, then WV is seeking to ban transgendered persons from voting during their transition period.

It makes zero sense to have a person who presents as one gender being forced to have an ID showing someone that doesn't look like them.

And 'trannies' is kind of like using the N word. If you're looking to be credible, you might wish to use the term transgender or transitioning.

All this may be true Tom.....but...Honestly....NO ONE could give a schit if Trannies are insulted. NO ONE.

Your comment is racist as schit BTW. How fcking dare you try and make that comparison. You should be ashamed.

If you dont care that your language use hurts people youre a ****** person and have no place at my dinner table.

Rupaul doesn't find it offensive. Think I'll go by what a TRANNY says instead of you and Tom.

There was also a poll.

Do you agree with Rupaul?
No, I find the term insulting. (13%)
Yes, the word "tranny" isn't offensive. (87%)

Total Votes: 1,093


Read more: http://perezhilton.com/2014-05-23-rupaul...z37PRGEkos

(07-13-2014 10:23 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Rupaul doesn't find it offensive. Think I'll go by what a TRANNY says instead of you and Tom.

There was also a poll.

Do you agree with Rupaul?
No, I find the term insulting. (13%)
Yes, the word "tranny" isn't offensive. (87%)

Total Votes: 1,093


Read more: http://perezhilton.com/2014-05-23-rupaul...z37PRGEkos

Hes referring to transvestites. Context is key bro. I know youre smart enough to get that. Right?

He's referring to the word. And he said the transexual community.

(07-13-2014 10:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He's referring to the word.

Ok. Youre not smart enough. Got it.

Rupaul has no problem with tranny until it's used to disparage a population, which this board is guilty of. Hes given multiple interviews on this topic. Words are just words until malice is added behind them. Tranny doesnt bother me as a t r a n n y . Im bothered when ******** on csnbbs use it as some kind of derogatory reference for trans people.

(07-13-2014 10:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 10:23 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Rupaul doesn't find it offensive. Think I'll go by what a TRANNY says instead of you and Tom.

There was also a poll.

Do you agree with Rupaul?
No, I find the term insulting. (13%)
Yes, the word "tranny" isn't offensive. (87%)

Total Votes: 1,093


Read more: http://perezhilton.com/2014-05-23-rupaul...z37PRGEkos

Hes referring to transvestites. Context is key bro. I know youre smart enough to get that. Right?

If the word Tranny is offensive, it's offensive, period. Would you be OK if I called a white guy the N word? And how in the world is the average Joe on the street supposed to know the difference between transgenders and transvestites? They both wear women's cloths and have Adams Apples.

Guilty in your little fcking feeble mind.

(07-13-2014 10:32 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 10:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He's referring to the word.

Ok. Youre not smart enough. Got it.

Rupaul has no problem with tranny until it's used to disparage a population, which this board is guilty of. Hes given multiple interviews on this topic. Words are just words until malice is added behind them. Tranny doesnt bother me as a t r a n n y . Im bothered when ******** on csnbbs use it as some kind of derogatory reference for trans people.

THIS is what I'm talking about. In his feeble mind, if you don't agree with him, you're the most horrible intolerant person on the planet. Not even Josef Stalin is worse than you (generally speaking).

(07-13-2014 10:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Guilty in your little fcking feeble mind.

Golf clap for the pathetic retort you just gave.

(07-13-2014 09:58 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  If you dont care that your language use hurts people youre a ****** person and have no place at my dinner table.

And if you're going to pitch a fit over stuff like that, you have no place at mine.