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Dems push bill to overide SCOTUS on Hobby Lobby
OK libs, it's the law of the land and now you're going to fight it. Remind us again how fighting the SC's decisions is a waste of taxpayer money. You must have said it a 100 times before.


Quote:WASHINGTON — Democrats in Congress said Tuesday that they had developed legislation to override the Supreme Court decision on contraceptives. The bill would ensure that women had access to insurance coverage for birth control even if they worked for businesses that had religious objections.

The bill, put together in consultation with the Obama administration, would require for-profit corporations like Hobby Lobby Stores to provide and pay for contraceptive coverage, along with other preventive health services, under the Affordable Care Act.

The measure could be on the Senate floor as early as next week, Senate Democrats said. House Democrats are developing a companion bill, but it faces long odds in the House, which is controlled by Republicans. Speaker John A. Boehner described the Hobby Lobby decision last week as “a victory for religious freedom.”

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Simple just don't bring this up for a vote in the house.
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It would actually work, if passed, because the 'Hobby Lobby' case was based on a Federal statute.
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(07-08-2014 08:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK libs, it's the law of the land and now you're going to fight it. Remind us again how fighting the SC's decisions is a waste of taxpayer money. You must have said it a 100 times before.


Quote:WASHINGTON — Democrats in Congress said Tuesday that they had developed legislation to override the Supreme Court decision on contraceptives. The bill would ensure that women had access to insurance coverage for birth control even if they worked for businesses that had religious objections.

The bill, put together in consultation with the Obama administration, would require for-profit corporations like Hobby Lobby Stores to provide and pay for contraceptive coverage, along with other preventive health services, under the Affordable Care Act.

The measure could be on the Senate floor as early as next week, Senate Democrats said. House Democrats are developing a companion bill, but it faces long odds in the House, which is controlled by Republicans. Speaker John A. Boehner described the Hobby Lobby decision last week as “a victory for religious freedom.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/us/pol....html?_r=1

If this passes companies like Hobby Lobby will just drop healthcare benefits.
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This is just a pathetic stunt by the Dems who know it has no chance of passing in the House. This is a flagrantly partisan attempt to gin up more of the war on women rhetoric.
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(07-08-2014 09:43 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is just a pathetic stunt by the Dems who know it has no chance of passing in the House. This is a flagrantly partisan attempt to gin up more of the war on women rhetoric.

Kinda of like voting 50+ times to repeal ACA by the Repubs knowing the vote to repeal won't pass. Pot meat Keatle?
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Illegal running across the border and now the libs want to punish religious people,
amazing. The dems love abortion which is why they need new voters.
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the damn dems need to ease up on women's woo-woos, and quit being so gaddam obsessed about the imaginary war on woo-woos.

it's all woo-woos, all the time with the damn perverts.
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(07-08-2014 11:06 PM)EagleX Wrote:  the damn dems need to ease up on women's woo-woos, and quit being so gaddam obsessed about the war on woo-woos.

it's all woo-woos, all the time with the damn perverts.

Why do democrats think women are sluts?
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(07-08-2014 08:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Simple just don't bring this up for a vote in the house.

here is the thing thats what the dems want... Such a bill is not constitutional and they know it but they want the political points.
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(07-08-2014 10:41 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 09:43 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is just a pathetic stunt by the Dems who know it has no chance of passing in the House. This is a flagrantly partisan attempt to gin up more of the war on women rhetoric.

Kinda of like voting 50+ times to repeal ACA by the Repubs knowing the vote to repeal won't pass. Pot meat Keatle?

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(07-08-2014 08:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK libs, it's the law of the land and now you're going to fight it. Remind us again how fighting the SC's decisions is a waste of taxpayer money. You must have said it a 100 times before.

Yup. And Dems are so concerned about the budget.
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(07-08-2014 08:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would actually work, if passed, because the 'Hobby Lobby' case was based on a Federal statute.

No it wouldn't.
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(07-09-2014 08:11 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 08:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would actually work, if passed, because the 'Hobby Lobby' case was based on a Federal statute.

No it wouldn't.

SCOTUS disagrees with you. They said in the ruling all it would take is for Congress to amend the law.
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(07-08-2014 10:41 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 09:43 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is just a pathetic stunt by the Dems who know it has no chance of passing in the House. This is a flagrantly partisan attempt to gin up more of the war on women rhetoric.

Kinda of like voting 50+ times to repeal ACA by the Repubs knowing the vote to repeal won't pass. Pot meat Keatle?

Pot meat keatle?

Anyways, the ACA screws most American citizens. The Hobby Lobby case screws a few sluts out of abortion causing birth control. Grow up and stop pouting over a religious victory.
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(07-09-2014 08:13 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(07-09-2014 08:11 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 08:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would actually work, if passed, because the 'Hobby Lobby' case was based on a Federal statute.

No it wouldn't.

SCOTUS disagrees with you. They said in the ruling all it would take is for Congress to amend the law.

Why is everyone so uptight and pouty over one small victory for religious freedom?
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10th grade was a long time ago. What has to happen to overturn a US Supreme Court decision?
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(07-09-2014 08:01 AM)bevotex Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 10:41 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 09:43 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is just a pathetic stunt by the Dems who know it has no chance of passing in the House. This is a flagrantly partisan attempt to gin up more of the war on women rhetoric.

Kinda of like voting 50+ times to repeal ACA by the Repubs knowing the vote to repeal won't pass. Pot meat Keatle?

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(07-09-2014 08:14 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 10:41 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 09:43 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is just a pathetic stunt by the Dems who know it has no chance of passing in the House. This is a flagrantly partisan attempt to gin up more of the war on women rhetoric.

Kinda of like voting 50+ times to repeal ACA by the Repubs knowing the vote to repeal won't pass. Pot meat Keatle?

Pot meat keatle?



mmmmmmmmmm Pot Meat Keatle. SOunds like what Moochelle wants our school kids to eat every day.

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(07-09-2014 08:17 AM)VA49er Wrote:  10th grade was a long time ago. What has to happen to overturn a US Supreme Court decision?

It depends on the nature of the decision. Technically only the Supreme Court can actually overturn a decision, but there are ways for others to effectively negate a decision's legal effects.

1. The only way for a decision to actually be overturned is for the Supreme Court changes its mind in a later case. Relatively rare, but it happens. This is more common in cases involving constitutional matters because it is so hard for anyone else to modify a decision. If Congress disagrees with an interpretation of a statute, they can just fix the statute making the Supreme Court more reluctant to revisit statutory interpretations.

2. If the decision was based on the interpretation of the Constitution then the only way anyone else can effectively overturn the decision is by amending the Constitution. Because they would be changing the Constitution it would not overturn the decision (everyone knows why the 11th Amendment was passed, but its text doesn't say the Supreme Court decision it is effectively overruling was wrong) but would overturn the legal effect of that decision.

3. If the decision was based on the interpretation of a statute, then all that needs to happen is for a new bill to be passed modifying existing statutes or adding new ones. Again, this only effectively overturns the decision but does not actually do so because it changes the body of law.

4. It can be ignored and changed circumstances can make it clear that the decision no longer has any legal effect. For example, there is an old decision that says a state can bar women from being lawyers. This decision will probably never be overturned because a state would have to pass a law barring female lawyers for a challenge to make it back to the Supreme Court, but the decision has effectively been reversed and women cannot be prevented from being lawyers.

The Hobby Lobby decision was based on an interpretation of RFRA and the ACA. RFRA was a statute passed in response to a Supreme Court decision, Smith v. Employment Division of Oregon, saying that the First Amendment Free Exercise Clause did not provide a religious exemption from neutral laws of general applicability. It did not overturn the decision but provided additional statutory protection for the free exercise of religion on top of the basic protections provided by the Constitution. RFRA applies to all laws passed by congress unless there is language exempting the law from RFRA.

If the Democrats were actually able to pass a bill (politically impossible as has been noted) then they would be able to eliminate the religious exemption from the contraceptive mandate. Just as RFRA did not overturn Smith, this would not overturn the Hobby Lobby decision, so there is no separation of powers issue. It would, however, create a new legal framework effectively rendering the decision moot.
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We are still being invaded and fighting wars overseas
but Dems consider this the most important thing.
A few dollars from one company.
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