(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We had the size down low last year, at last. Now we're adding strength (with Austin's development and with Chris). A slimmer, stronger Dom with Shaq and Nick adds up to a lot of beef. I'm excited. I want to see us start dominating the paint. Hope the pieces are in place to do it.

Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Personal opinion after seeing him play, live, several times. He's a guy who dominated the paint at the jc level with strength, hops and athletic ability. Gets to the rim at will at that level. Can shoot from the outside and has great form and lift from out there. That's just a bonus though as he is a strong, strong post player. He's an extremely explosive guy at 245-250 lbs. Don't know that we've had anyone similar in a while. Maybe Sylvester but this kid is a bit more polished. Sylvester was strictly a 4, IMO and one of the most gifted athletes ever here.

That's nice to know and thank you for the info. Without knowing anything, I would have to think that his biggest challenge will be defending taller 4's at the D1 level. Would you say that is accurate?

(07-08-2014 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Personal opinion after seeing him play, live, several times. He's a guy who dominated the paint at the jc level with strength, hops and athletic ability. Gets to the rim at will at that level. Can shoot from the outside and has great form and lift from out there. That's just a bonus though as he is a strong, strong post player. He's an extremely explosive guy at 245-250 lbs. Don't know that we've had anyone similar in a while. Maybe Sylvester but this kid is a bit more polished. Sylvester was strictly a 4, IMO and one of the most gifted athletes ever here.

That's nice to know and thank you for the info. Without knowing anything, I would have to think that his biggest challenge will be defending taller 4's at the D1 level. Would you say that is accurate?

If someone at 6'5 180 pounds could do it I would hope someone 6'6 and 240 could do it.

Honestly their aren't too many 6'9+ guys playing at the 4 at the college level who actually have the skills to score on post moves when they start outside of the paint. With his strength he should be able to keep them from getting great low post scoring position.

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We had the size down low last year, at last. Now we're adding strength (with Austin's development and with Chris). A slimmer, stronger Dom with Shaq and Nick adds up to a lot of beef. I'm excited. I want to see us start dominating the paint. Hope the pieces are in place to do it.

Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

(07-08-2014 12:57 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We had the size down low last year, at last. Now we're adding strength (with Austin's development and with Chris). A slimmer, stronger Dom with Shaq and Nick adds up to a lot of beef. I'm excited. I want to see us start dominating the paint. Hope the pieces are in place to do it.

Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

As he charges in at the speed of light and finishes, he will be drawing many defenders. lol or maybe he kicks it back out for someone else....who cares...

What he accomplished in JUCO can be built on to suit our needs.

What is the big deal here? This guy is playah--one who does stuff we haven't seen in a looooooooong time.

#behappy

(07-08-2014 12:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  ...


If someone at 6'5 180 pounds could do it I would hope someone 6'6 and 240 could do it.

Honestly their aren't too many 6'9+ guys playing at the 4 at the college level who actually have the skills to score on post moves when they start outside of the paint. With his strength he should be able to keep them from getting great low post scoring position.

I don't know much of anything about Hawkins. However, I do know while DJ was a great weakside help defender, he did have a tough time with guarding/blocking out/getting blocked out by the bigger/stronger/more physical type front court players.

(07-08-2014 12:57 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We had the size down low last year, at last. Now we're adding strength (with Austin's development and with Chris). A slimmer, stronger Dom with Shaq and Nick adds up to a lot of beef. I'm excited. I want to see us start dominating the paint. Hope the pieces are in place to do it.

Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

Austin Nichols shot 1 three pointer last year. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that just because someone doesn't shoot 3 pointers; it doesn't make them Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey.

Like I said, I think it's funny when someone like you questions another poster's opinion, when you've never seen the guy play a minute in your entire life.

(07-08-2014 02:21 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  ...


If someone at 6'5 180 pounds could do it I would hope someone 6'6 and 240 could do it.

Honestly their aren't too many 6'9+ guys playing at the 4 at the college level who actually have the skills to score on post moves when they start outside of the paint. With his strength he should be able to keep them from getting great low post scoring position.

I don't know much of anything about Hawkins. However, I do know while DJ was a great weakside help defender, he did have a tough time with guarding/blocking out/getting blocked out by the bigger/stronger/more physical type front court players.

If you can time your jump for rebounds it's great. If your timing isn't perfect; a 6'8 player is going to have a 5-7" head start on you.

(07-07-2014 01:29 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  The guy will play the 4. Bet your house on it.

You bet your house on it!

(07-08-2014 04:01 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 01:29 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  The guy will play the 4. Bet your house on it.

You bet your house on it!

I have, you should bet yours as well. Easy money.

(07-08-2014 01:15 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:57 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

As he charges in at the speed of light and finishes, he will be drawing many defenders. lol or maybe he kicks it back out for someone else....who cares...

What he accomplished in JUCO can be built on to suit our needs.

What is the big deal here? This guy is playah--one who does stuff we haven't seen in a looooooooong time.

#behappy

Never said it was a big deal, nor that he couldn't help the team. It seems like the kid is a player.

The point is that he is not a perimeter player evidently. I was merely asking how he was going to unclog the lane without a perimeter game.

Stammers felt the need to interject (as usual). It was so nice when he was on his forced hiatus. The guy can force an argument with a wall and still manage to lose it.

(07-08-2014 02:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:57 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

Austin Nichols shot 1 three pointer last year. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that just because someone doesn't shoot 3 pointers; it doesn't make them Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey.

Like I said, I think it's funny when someone like you questions another poster's opinion, when you've never seen the guy play a minute in your entire life.

So Austin Nichols unclogged the lane?

I never said he was Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey. All I said was that a FG% of 70.4 indicates that the guy is not a perimeter player and is therefore unlikely to create breathing room for the other interior guys.

If he plays the 3, teams will back off him. If he plays the 4, either Austin or Shaq will be sitting.

And for the record, 90+% of the posters on this board have only seen highlights of Hawkins (including snowtiger evidently), are they not entitled to opinions either? If so, this is going to be a discussion between about 2 people.

I would be interested if people 'in the know' felt that my analysis was inaccurate ...

I mean, unlike the Stammers of the world, I have actually been wrong on occasion.

(07-08-2014 05:59 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 02:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:57 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

Austin Nichols shot 1 three pointer last year. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that just because someone doesn't shoot 3 pointers; it doesn't make them Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey.

Like I said, I think it's funny when someone like you questions another poster's opinion, when you've never seen the guy play a minute in your entire life.

So Austin Nichols unclogged the lane?

I never said he was Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey. All I said was that a FG% of 70.4 indicates that the guy is not a perimeter player and is therefore unlikely to create breathing room for the other interior guys.

If he plays the 3, teams will back off him. If he plays the 4, either Austin or Shaq will be sitting.

And for the record, 90+% of the posters on this board have only seen highlights of Hawkins (including snowtiger evidently), are they not entitled to opinions either? If so, this is going to be a discussion between about 2 people.

I would be interested if people 'in the know' felt that my analysis was inaccurate ...

I mean, unlike the Stammers of the world, I have actually been wrong on occasion.

Stammers will be watching the Tigers play in Canada. I for one will be awaiting his assessment of our team, especially how Chris Hawkins and the other new guys fit.

But if we happen to get there, there's a rumor that the drinks are on Stammers. lol

Seen the young man play multiple times now. His game reminds me a little of PJ Tucker from Texas years back. More of a "power" 3 with a tremendous mid range game. He seems to have a knack for being in the right places at the right time. Great rebounder and leaper (quick second hops).

I don't know how much he plays the 3, 4, etc. All I know is he's a helluva player that you want out on the floor. He's 6-5 at best so he'll have to improve on ball handling and outside shooting. However, he's certain to bring toughness which has been lacking a little the last few years. He'd be perfect for Cincy had he not committed to us.

Anybody know how practice went with Hawkins?

(07-08-2014 07:54 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Anybody know how practice went with Hawkins?

Yeah, that's exactly what I was wondering

(07-08-2014 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Personal opinion after seeing him play, live, several times. He's a guy who dominated the paint at the jc level with strength, hops and athletic ability. Gets to the rim at will at that level. Can shoot from the outside and has great form and lift from out there. That's just a bonus though as he is a strong, strong post player. He's an extremely explosive guy at 245-250 lbs. Don't know that we've had anyone similar in a while. Maybe Sylvester but this kid is a bit more polished. Sylvester was strictly a 4, IMO and one of the most gifted athletes ever here.

That's nice to know and thank you for the info. Without knowing anything, I would have to think that his biggest challenge will be defending taller 4's at the D1 level. Would you say that is accurate?

Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. I think he's going to be able to use his body and low center of gravity in the paint on defense. His other advantage is his ability to get off his feet with insane quickness. His burst off the floor is one of his biggest assets. Haven't seen a lot of guys with that kind of explosiveness and bounce who weigh 240-250.

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:43 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We had the size down low last year, at last. Now we're adding strength (with Austin's development and with Chris). A slimmer, stronger Dom with Shaq and Nick adds up to a lot of beef. I'm excited. I want to see us start dominating the paint. Hope the pieces are in place to do it.

Hawkins shot 70.4% from the field. That oughtta give players in the paint a little more breathing room.

How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Personal opinion after seeing him play, live, several times. He's a guy who dominated the paint at the jc level with strength, hops and athletic ability. Gets to the rim at will at that level. Can shoot from the outside and has great form and lift from out there. That's just a bonus though as he is a strong, strong post player. He's an extremely explosive guy at 245-250 lbs. Don't know that we've had anyone similar in a while. [b]Maybe Sylvester but this kid is a bit more polished.[/b] Sylvester was strictly a 4, IMO and one of the most gifted athletes ever here.

He will have them all guessing. Uncertainty opens things up.

I havent read every post here, but Charles Barkley comes to mind. Not real tall, but strong with hops. We can hope he plays like Chuck!

If he's half the player Sylvester Gray was, we will be in great shape with him on the floor.

(07-08-2014 05:59 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 02:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:57 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:31 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  How you figure? That number indicates to me that he is shooting the ball very close to the room the vast majority of the time. He is not a guy that spaces the floor. If anything, he is a guy defenders would sag in off of on the perimeter.

Someone who has only seen a video of him in a layup line; who has never seen him play, asking another poster "how you figure?" Funny stuff.

Hmmm ... you think a guy who shot 0-2 for the season from 3 is going to free up space in the lane somehow?

Since you feel the need to interject, please feel free to explain.

Austin Nichols shot 1 three pointer last year. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that just because someone doesn't shoot 3 pointers; it doesn't make them Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey.

Like I said, I think it's funny when someone like you questions another poster's opinion, when you've never seen the guy play a minute in your entire life.

So Austin Nichols unclogged the lane?

I never said he was Tarik Black or Joey Dorsey. All I said was that a FG% of 70.4 indicates that the guy is not a perimeter player and is therefore unlikely to create breathing room for the other interior guys.

If he plays the 3, teams will back off him. If he plays the 4, either Austin or Shaq will be sitting.

And for the record, 90+% of the posters on this board have only seen highlights of Hawkins (including snowtiger evidently), are they not entitled to opinions either? If so, this is going to be a discussion between about 2 people.

I would be interested if people 'in the know' felt that my analysis was inaccurate ...

I mean, unlike the Stammers of the world, I have actually been wrong on occasion.

Quote:I would be interested if people 'in the know' felt that my analysis was inaccurate ...

Yet not knowing anything, you made it seem like Snow was being ridiculous.

Meanwhile, the reality is that posters that have actually seen him play have said that he doesn't spend all his time around the basket.