(07-03-2014 04:22 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  If the Repubs manage to take the White House in the 2016 election, get 60 seats in the Senate and a 30 seat majority in the House, they will find it exceedingly difficult to overturn Obamacare. The most onerous provisions of Obamacare take effect on January 1, 2017, 21 days before they would take control.

It wouldn't be impossible, but it would require a deft touch so that millions of people are not suddenly without health insurance on January 1, 2018, a year later. That's why just overturning Obamacare is impossible in a year.

Look at what happened with Yucca Mountain. The Bill passed in 2002 said it had to be built and congress could not stop it. But guess what, the Obama Administration terminated funding for development of the waste site effectively killing it via amendment.

They broke their own law by implementing another law. Obama has shown future presidents that they don't need to follow laws passed, and exactly how to get away with it by declaring it a crisis.

ObamaCare in its utter failure could go down the same way. 1/1/17 is just another date in the sand.

Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

Obamacare will continue to function as a redistribution system, in spite of its likely
ineffectiveness as a healthcare law… it will be similar to the FCC’s Universal Service Fund.

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED; Thank God I'm wealthy. Most Texans aren't so lucky, and that's why Texas had the worst health care system in the country (based upon outcomes and coverage metrics) under the GOP plan Obamacare replaced

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

So you're not be paying for your insurance. Someone is.

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

So what do you want, a parade?

(07-04-2014 10:13 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

So what do you want, a parade?

Acknowlegement that the money some are saving is on the backs of others. This is wealth redistribution pure and simple. Nothing more and nothing less.

(07-04-2014 10:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So you're not be paying for your insurance. Someone is.

My healthcare shouldn't cost 12 grand a year. The problem is that in the oligopoly that existed under the old regime, there was no competition. And no regulation of administrative costs (of which executive compensation is one of them) so for the same medicines and healthcare I had to pay more and more each year for no incremental benefit.

And don't think that multi-state exchanges will solve any of the problems. BCBS and United would force everyone out or price fix in order to maintain 20 percent a year premium rises in the face of stagnant costs.

We tried the private system. Complete failure for everyone, including the doctors.

Besides, too many people are on Obamacare anyway. Politically, its going to be impossible to throw 10 million American off their affordable plans and tell them, sorry - no more healthcare for you, isn't going to go over well.

And telling a person with Type 1 that I'm a friggin freeloader is really low class. I already pay more. But I should have some protection for outrageous premia rises. How many Lear Jets and Manhattan mansions do I have to pay for? What medical benefit do I get from some healthcare exec's second home in the Florida Keys?

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

I dont get a subsidy. I'm just not paying extra anymore.

I see health care adminstrative/executive costs like you see bureaucracy costs. I really don't see the difference between the two.

(07-04-2014 10:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So you're not be paying for your insurance. Someone is.

My healthcare shouldn't cost 12 grand a year. The problem is that in the oligopoly that existed under the old regime, there was no competition. And no regulation of administrative costs (of which executive compensation is one of them) so for the same medicines and healthcare I had to pay more and more each year for no incremental benefit.

And don't think that multi-state exchanges will solve any of the problems. BCBS and United would force everyone out or price fix in order to maintain 20 percent a year premium rises in the face of stagnant costs.

We tried the private system. Complete failure for everyone, including the doctors.

Besides, too many people are on Obamacare anyway. Politically, its going to be impossible to throw 10 million American off their affordable plans and tell them, sorry - no more healthcare for you, isn't going to go over well.

And telling a person with Type 1 that I'm a friggin freeloader is really low class. I already pay more. But I should have some protection for outrageous premia rises. How many Lear Jets and Manhattan mansions do I have to pay for? What medical benefit do I get from some healthcare exec's second home in the Florida Keys?

Why shouldn't it cost you 12K? You are one of the people who is a heavy user/heavy risk. Who should pay for your use of the healthcare system if not you? Or do you expect doctors and researchers to work for free?

(07-04-2014 10:14 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:13 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

So what do you want, a parade?

Acknowlegement that the money some are saving is on the backs of others. This is wealth redistribution pure and simple. Nothing more and nothing less.

Same drugs and health visits for 3x the cost as in 2000? Please. And tort costs have declined every year since 1998. And my doctor isn't making much, if any, more money.

The subsidy was from me to some executive. And to pay for someone else's drug development. And to pay for pharma ads.

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED; Thank God I'm wealthy. Most Texans aren't so lucky, and that's why Texas had the worst health care system in the country (based upon outcomes and coverage metrics) under the GOP plan Obamacare replaced

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

A few questions: Why are you under Obamacare? What was your reason for switching to the exchanges? Did you have individual insurance before Obamacare (always the most costly type)? Did your employer or plan drop your coverage? Did you go from a fee for service to a PPO or HMO?

Since insurance is a state market, did the company that sold you the crap policy also participate in the exchanges? If you bought off the exchange where you previously were an individual, then you now in a group, and would benefit from community rating. Do you know what your premiums are going to be for 2015?

If the GOP plan was put into effect, you could purchase insurance from companies across the nation. Many of these are non-profit so you don't have to worry about paying for their Citation (Lear jets are..so..like..yesterday).

And this seems to contradict your post:

USA Today

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED; Thank God I'm wealthy. Most Texans aren't so lucky, and that's why Texas had the worst health care system in the country (based upon outcomes and coverage metrics) under the GOP plan Obamacare replaced

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

It is entirely possible that your costs are going to rise and when means testing goes into effect, your wealth will work against you. You also have another problem, the IPAB will decide your future base upon your future "outcome" and lifestyle's equation, giving your $ available for care to some younger Texas illegals.

You really don't see this coming do you?

(07-04-2014 10:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Politically, Obamacare cant be repealed unless another, means based program replaces it. Too many people are on it. Too many rural hospitals would go under.

Obamacare will exist until there's a solution that guarantees lifetime access to healthcare for a price affordable to the insured. There are other solutions, but none from the GOP.

The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

I dont get a subsidy. I'm just not paying extra anymore.

I see health care adminstrative/executive costs like you see bureaucracy costs. I really don't see the difference between the two.

The costs to cover you are essentially the same. They didn't magically go down. The difference is those costs have been spread out to others in the form of their premiums being higher while your was lowered.

The administrative costs are the same as before if not higher due to Obamacare compliance. Obamacare was no panacea that reduced administrative costs.

It did reduce reimbursements to many physicians and providers, some who are now opting out or retiring reducing the pool of available providers.

(07-04-2014 10:20 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So you're not be paying for your insurance. Someone is.

My healthcare shouldn't cost 12 grand a year. The problem is that in the oligopoly that existed under the old regime, there was no competition. And no regulation of administrative costs (of which executive compensation is one of them) so for the same medicines and healthcare I had to pay more and more each year for no incremental benefit.

And don't think that multi-state exchanges will solve any of the problems. BCBS and United would force everyone out or price fix in order to maintain 20 percent a year premium rises in the face of stagnant costs.

We tried the private system. Complete failure for everyone, including the doctors.

Besides, too many people are on Obamacare anyway. Politically, its going to be impossible to throw 10 million American off their affordable plans and tell them, sorry - no more healthcare for you, isn't going to go over well.

And telling a person with Type 1 that I'm a friggin freeloader is really low class. I already pay more. But I should have some protection for outrageous premia rises. How many Lear Jets and Manhattan mansions do I have to pay for? What medical benefit do I get from some healthcare exec's second home in the Florida Keys?

Why shouldn't it cost you 12K? You are one of the people who is a heavy user/heavy risk. Who should pay for your use of the healthcare system if not you? Or do you expect doctors and researchers to work for free?

Yea, its my fault, while I was insured, I got diabetes at age 12. The whole point of insurance is that it should provide security. Under the old plan it didn't because of ridiculous and economically unjustified premia increases.

If all of the profits from my extra payments went to DIABETES only research, with a ban on marketing from my fees, and a strict limit on any compensation to persons not directly involved in health provision/research was employed, you might have an argument.

(07-04-2014 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:14 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:13 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

So what do you want, a parade?

Acknowlegement that the money some are saving is on the backs of others. This is wealth redistribution pure and simple. Nothing more and nothing less.

Same drugs and health visits for 3x the cost as in 2000? Please. And tort costs have declined every year since 1998. And my doctor isn't making much, if any, more money.

The subsidy was from me to some executive. And to pay for someone else's drug development. And to pay for pharma ads.

So you don't want to fund research and drug development?
Do you think those folks should work for free?

(07-04-2014 10:23 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 09:50 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The GOP has offered solutions but like Zero, you have not paid attention. The totally partisan ZeroCare solution will not, cannot stand. It's doomed.

No their solution is 'more of the same' with no guarantee of affordable health care.

Under Texas' 'affordable health care system', I had to pay 9000 bucks a YEAR for my health insurance. Because I have Type 1 Diabetes. And the coverage was crap. On top of that, I'd have to pay another 3,000 on copays. 12 grand a year for healthcare. Please. And the coverage SUCKED

Under Obamacare. I have better insurance at less than half the cost.

The GOP plan. If you're sick or have a pre-existing condition, turn all of your assets over to some Medical Company CEO's lear jet fund and then the government might let you have some medicine. But no real expensive stuff, mind you.

Under every single GOP enacted health insurance initiative, access to health care and insurance has gone down, prices have gone up, and profits to health care administrators has gone up. With one exception, Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. Which of course, was the model for Obamacare.

The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

I dont get a subsidy. I'm just not paying extra anymore.

I see health care adminstrative/executive costs like you see bureaucracy costs. I really don't see the difference between the two.

The costs to cover you are essentially the same. They didn't magically go down. The difference is those costs have been spread out to others in the form of their premiums being higher while your was lowered.

The administrative costs are the same as before if not higher due to Obamacare compliance. Obamacare was no panacea that reduced administrative costs.

It did reduce reimbursements to many physicians and providers, some who are now opting out or retiring reducing the pool of available providers.

Yes the costs are the same....as they were in 2000 before my health care premiums went up by 300%

(07-04-2014 10:26 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:14 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:13 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The costs to cover you weren't reduced by Obamacare, they were just passed on to others. You can thank all of us for paying part of your insurance premiums either via our premiums going up or your receiving a subsidy.

So what do you want, a parade?

Acknowlegement that the money some are saving is on the backs of others. This is wealth redistribution pure and simple. Nothing more and nothing less.

Same drugs and health visits for 3x the cost as in 2000? Please. And tort costs have declined every year since 1998. And my doctor isn't making much, if any, more money.

The subsidy was from me to some executive. And to pay for someone else's drug development. And to pay for pharma ads.

So you don't want to fund research and drug development?
Do you think those folks should work for free?

R&D should be funded by the government, not on the backs of people who are sick. R&D professionals should be compensated well. The ever increasing level of medical executives should have to prove their value to the insured. And no, some EVP of pill marketing in some office isn't going to justify a multi-million dollar pay packet.

By the way, why should I fund 100% of WORLDWIDE R&D costs? That's what Americans do currently as no other rich country pays what we do for medicine. Its probably the biggest subsidy in world history. From America to other rich countries.