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Ran across an interesting article in the Economist dealing with the US's shale oil boom. The article is pretty complementary noting America's ingenuity, technology, and finance. The article goes on to talk about how this new found oil should maybe reshape America's foreign policy, particulary with regard to the Middle East. Interesting article. Take a look.

Geopolitics - The Petrostate of America

Quote:“RISE early, work hard, strike oil.” The late oil baron J. Paul Getty’s formula for success is working rather well for America, which may already have surpassed Russia as the world’s largest producer of oil and gas (see article). By 2020 it should have overtaken Saudi Arabia as the largest pumper of oil, the more valuable fuel. By then the “fracking” revolution—a clever way of extracting oil and gas from shale deposits—should have added 2-4% to American GDP and created twice as many jobs than carmaking provides today.

All this is a credit to American ingenuity. Commodities have been a mixed blessing for other countries (see our leader on Argentina). But this oil boom is earned: it owes less to geological luck than enterprise, ready finance and dazzling technology. America’s energy firms have invested in new ways of pumping out hydrocarbons that everyone knew were there but could not extract economically. The new oilfields in Texas and North Dakota resemble high-tech factories. “Directional” drills guided by satellite technology bore miles down, turn, bore miles to the side and hit a target no bigger than a truck wheel. Thousands of gallons of water are then injected to open hairline cracks in the rock, and the oil and gas are sucked out.

From the point of view of the rest of the world, the new American petrostate is useful. Fracking provides a source of energy that is not only new but also relatively clean, cheap and without political strings. It should reduce the dependence on dirty fuels, such as coal, and extortionate suppliers, such as Russia. Moreover, fracking is unusually flexible. Setting up an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico can take years. But America’s frackers can sink wells and start pumping within weeks. So if the oil price spikes, they drill more wells. If it falls, they let old ones run down. In theory, fracking should make future oil shocks less severe, because American producers can respond quickly.

Fracking all over the world

Some foreign-policy wonks argue that this dramatic change in America’s fortunes argues for a fundamental change in the country’s foreign policy. If America can produce its own oil, they argue, why waste so much blood and treasure policing the Middle East? Yet even if it were politically sensible for America to disengage from the world—which this newspaper does not believe it is—the economic logic is flawed. The price of oil depends on global supply and demand, so Middle Eastern producers will remain vital for the foreseeable future. It is in the superpower’s interest to keep Gulf sea lanes open (and not to invite China to do the job instead).

Although America’s foreign policy should not change, its energy policy should. Its ban on the export of crude oil, for instance, dating from the 1970s, was intended to secure supplies for American consumers. But its main effect is to hand a windfall to refiners, who buy oil cheaply and sell petrol at the global price. Barack Obama should lift it so that newly fracked oil can be sold wherever it makes the most cash. And he should approve the Keystone XL pipeline, which would carry oil from Canada’s tar sands to American refineries; an exhaustive official study has deemed the project environmentally sound.

America does not ban the export of natural gas, but it makes getting permits insanely slow. Fracking has made gas extraordinarily cheap in America. In Asia it sells for more than triple the price; in Europe, double. Even allowing for the hefty cost of liquefying it and shipping it, there are huge profits to be made from this spread. The main beneficiaries of the complicated export-permit regime are American petrochemical firms, which love cheap gas and lobby for it.

Mr Obama should ignore them. Gas exports could generate tankerloads of cash. To the extent that they displace coal, they would be good for the environment. And they could pay foreign-policy dividends, such as offering Europeans an alternative to Russian gas and so reducing Vladimir Putin’s power to bully his neighbours. Allowing exports might cause America’s domestic gas prices to rise a little, but it would also make American frackers pump more of it, cushioning the blow.

A world in which the leading petrostate is a liberal democracy has much to recommend it. But perhaps the biggest potential benefit of America’s energy boom is its example. Shale oil and gas deposits are common in many countries. In some they may be inaccessible, either because of geology or because of environmental fears: but in most they go unexploited because governments have not followed America’s example in granting mineral rights to individual landowners, so that the communities most disrupted by fracking are also enriched by it. Become a champion of a global fracking revolution, Mr Obama, and the world could look on America very differently.
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no blood for shale
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(02-24-2014 10:58 AM)EagleX Wrote:  no blood for shale

Thought it interesting that across the pond shale is considered safe, but not here by some folks.
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Looks like we are getting ready to start exporting oil. We haven't done that in nearly four decades.

US Set to Export First Oil Oversees

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Quote:The Obama administration has quietly cleared the way for the first exports of unrefined American oil, allowing energy companies to chip away at the four-decade ban on selling U.S. crude overseas.

Federal officials have told two energy companies that they can legally export a kind of ultra-light oil that has become plentiful as drillers tap shale formations across the U.S. With relatively minimal processing, oil shipments could begin as early as August, according to one industry executive involved in the matter.
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Let's keep some perspective here. This doesn't mean we don't still import a lot.
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(06-25-2014 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Let's keep some perspective here. This doesn't mean we don't still import a lot.

It also doesn't mean it won't eventually run out.

I hope the US doesn't act on policies that it regrets 40 years from now. That's not a particularly long time.
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(06-25-2014 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Let's keep some perspective here. This doesn't mean we don't still import a lot.

What is really going to piss folks off is if gas prices rise while at the same time we are shipping oil overseas. Brent Crude Oil is up over $114/barrel today.
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(06-25-2014 03:24 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Looks like we are getting ready to start exporting oil. We haven't done that in nearly four decades.

US Set to Export First Oil Oversees

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Quote:The Obama administration has quietly cleared the way for the first exports of unrefined American oil, allowing energy companies to chip away at the four-decade ban on selling U.S. crude overseas.

Federal officials have told two energy companies that they can legally export a kind of ultra-light oil that has become plentiful as drillers tap shale formations across the U.S. With relatively minimal processing, oil shipments could begin as early as August, according to one industry executive involved in the matter.

The vice president of the company I work at JUST came in here and mentioned this.

My immediate reaction was to wonder why we're exporting oil instead of saving it. Lower our f*cking gas prices. I watched the average gallon rise from $3.19 to $3.59 in one damn day. It was the day after ISIS gained control of an oil factory in Iraq.
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I always like getting a different perspective on things, like from The Economist. I do hope that the locals and the environment aren't unduly impacted by all the additional drilling and fracking. If you're sitting over there in Britain, it's hard to know what's really happening on the ground.
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(06-25-2014 03:24 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Looks like we are getting ready to start exporting oil. We haven't done that in nearly four decades.

US Set to Export First Oil Oversees

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Quote:The Obama administration has quietly cleared the way for the first exports of unrefined American oil, allowing energy companies to chip away at the four-decade ban on selling U.S. crude overseas.

Federal officials have told two energy companies that they can legally export a kind of ultra-light oil that has become plentiful as drillers tap shale formations across the U.S. With relatively minimal processing, oil shipments could begin as early as August, according to one industry executive involved in the matter.
We're going to start exporting natural gas pretty soon too. I think the export facilities for that are supposed to come online in the next year or two.
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(06-25-2014 04:08 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 03:24 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Looks like we are getting ready to start exporting oil. We haven't done that in nearly four decades.

US Set to Export First Oil Oversees

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Quote:The Obama administration has quietly cleared the way for the first exports of unrefined American oil, allowing energy companies to chip away at the four-decade ban on selling U.S. crude overseas.

Federal officials have told two energy companies that they can legally export a kind of ultra-light oil that has become plentiful as drillers tap shale formations across the U.S. With relatively minimal processing, oil shipments could begin as early as August, according to one industry executive involved in the matter.
We're going to start exporting natural gas pretty soon too. I think the export facilities for that are supposed to come online in the next year or two.

We have several facilities that were originally designed and constructed for importing LNG that are now being turned around to export it.
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(06-25-2014 03:37 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 03:24 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Looks like we are getting ready to start exporting oil. We haven't done that in nearly four decades.

US Set to Export First Oil Oversees

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Quote:The Obama administration has quietly cleared the way for the first exports of unrefined American oil, allowing energy companies to chip away at the four-decade ban on selling U.S. crude overseas.

Federal officials have told two energy companies that they can legally export a kind of ultra-light oil that has become plentiful as drillers tap shale formations across the U.S. With relatively minimal processing, oil shipments could begin as early as August, according to one industry executive involved in the matter.

The vice president of the company I work at JUST came in here and mentioned this.

My immediate reaction was to wonder why we're exporting oil instead of saving it. Lower our f*cking gas prices. I watched the average gallon rise from $3.19 to $3.59 in one damn day. It was the day after ISIS gained control of an oil factory in Iraq.
Really? Blah. I haven't paid any attention. I haven't put any gas in my car in about 3 weeks, so I hadn't even noticed. Guess I'll be paying more next time I fill up.
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I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.
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(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.
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(06-25-2014 05:06 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.

Well, yea, but I think what they are saying is leave it here to add to the supply. That could help ease the price at the pump.
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(06-25-2014 05:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:06 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.

Well, yea, but I think what they are saying is leave it here to add to the supply. That could help ease the price at the pump.

No it doesn't. Prices are set by the world market.
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(06-25-2014 05:09 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:06 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.

Well, yea, but I think what they are saying is leave it here to add to the supply. That could help ease the price at the pump.

No it doesn't. Prices are set by the world market.
and the US becoming a part of that market is likely to be a positive. It could even possibly influence the market through competition to lower prices.
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(06-25-2014 05:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:06 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.

Well, yea, but I think what they are saying is leave it here to add to the supply. That could help ease the price at the pump.

If we had a nationalized oil industry, maybe, but we don't. These are private companies that make huge investments into extracting this oil. They want to get the best return on investment possible. That is on the world market.
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(06-25-2014 05:15 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:06 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.

Well, yea, but I think what they are saying is leave it here to add to the supply. That could help ease the price at the pump.

If we had a nationalized oil industry, maybe, but we don't. These are private companies that make huge investments into extracting this oil. They want to get the best return on investment possible. That is on the world market.

I wonder could this spur something globally....akin to a "gas war". If we start competing and taking market share? Someone is going to blink and lower prices. Once that occurs? 03-idea
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(06-25-2014 05:06 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(06-25-2014 05:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can only see positives in America "exporting" damn near anything. That includes fossil fuels.

Only the economically ignorant would disagree with your statement.

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