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RE: Should CUSA Basketball Expand
(06-23-2014 09:02 AM)wh49er Wrote:  
(06-22-2014 12:23 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Why because someone disagreed and showed why? Those facts speak loud and clear..

Charlotte A-10

MUTS SBC

Charlotte former A-10 tied for 8th (with FIU a former SBC school) in their first year in C-USA (another former SBC school UNT playing their 1st year in CUSA finished 1 game back of Charlotte)

MUTS former SBC tied for 1st their first year in C-USA

So where does that put your buddies theory that by playing in the A-10 makes Umass a better program than their record showed over the last 16 year? And Western's record isn't as good because we played "weak SBC schools"?

Seems to me those weak SBC schools did better or just as good as the A-10 school. If what I say bothers you..

tough sh*t, get use to it or put me on ignore. That's your only two options because don't expect me to just take yours or anyone's word on anything.


No alot of your fans can't seem to look at things objectively, a general trend I've noticed. Yes, some of the former SBC could beat A-10 teams and some did beat Charlotte this year but the A-10 has proven to been a better conference than both the Sun Belt and CUSA in recent time.

As of not looking at "things objectively" mean must mean ..."agree with you OPINIONS". BTW how many is "alot of your fans"?

No one said the A10 wasn't a good conference as a matter of fact I said it was. But that has nothing to do with Umass sucking for 10 out of 15 years.

Like I said if the A10 was that good of a conference you would expect a middle of the pack a-10 school to come in and do....

what the MUTS did. Compete for the conference championship
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RE: Should CUSA Basketball Expand
(06-23-2014 11:18 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(06-23-2014 09:02 AM)wh49er Wrote:  
(06-22-2014 12:23 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Why because someone disagreed and showed why? Those facts speak loud and clear..

Charlotte A-10

MUTS SBC

Charlotte former A-10 tied for 8th (with FIU a former SBC school) in their first year in C-USA (another former SBC school UNT playing their 1st year in CUSA finished 1 game back of Charlotte)

MUTS former SBC tied for 1st their first year in C-USA

So where does that put your buddies theory that by playing in the A-10 makes Umass a better program than their record showed over the last 16 year? And Western's record isn't as good because we played "weak SBC schools"?

Seems to me those weak SBC schools did better or just as good as the A-10 school. If what I say bothers you..

tough sh*t, get use to it or put me on ignore. That's your only two options because don't expect me to just take yours or anyone's word on anything.


No alot of your fans can't seem to look at things objectively, a general trend I've noticed. Yes, some of the former SBC could beat A-10 teams and some did beat Charlotte this year but the A-10 has proven to been a better conference than both the Sun Belt and CUSA in recent time.

As of not looking at "things objectively" mean must mean ..."agree with you OPINIONS". BTW how many is "alot of your fans"?

No one said the A10 wasn't a good conference as a matter of fact I said it was. But that has nothing to do with Umass sucking for 10 out of 15 years.

Like I said if the A10 was that good of a conference you would expect a middle of the pack a-10 school to come in and do....

what the MUTS did. Compete for the conference championship

Excuse me! Excuse me! Are you talking to me? Are you talking to me? Don't every accuse Charlotte of being in the middle of the pack in the A10. I went to the conference tournament 2 out of the last 3 years and was the only Charlotte fan in the stands because Charlotte didn't make the tournament. So, "middle of the pack I think not."
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RE: Should CUSA Basketball Expand
(06-21-2014 06:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 05:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What part of this makes anyone want UMASS or think they would be a good addition

Massachusetts first NCAA bid in 16 years
Only 5 20 win seasons in those 16 years
9 out of those 16 years .500 or below
another one 1 game over .500

So it's took them 15 years to get back to the NCAA Tourney and and 2/3 of those 15 years Umass was .500 or worse

The last 3 have shown signs of improvement but lets not forget.....their last NCAA Tourney win came in '95-'96

So the question shouldn't be why Umass would never leave the A-10 ...why should C-USA want them.

Lets put that in perspective since the Memphis fan left WKU out of his list of schools that would make a good basketball conference

In the same span of years..

WKU
11 20+ win seasons with a overall average of 23.4 (
7 NCAA bids
5 years at .500 or below
4 NCAA wins

you're not in CUSA yet, Sun Belt team...07-coffee3

Yeah! That Sun Belt(for another week and a half) fan has some nerve, clearly you were talking about members of CUSA only.


(06-21-2014 02:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  NMSU
UMass

UTEP
ODU
UAB
MTSU
Charlotte
LA Tech
USM

It would be a VERY solid basketball conference...2-3 NCAA bids per year.

That said, I'm just thinking out loud...it'll never happen.
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(06-20-2014 08:14 PM)GO_MONARKS Wrote:  No need for anymore teams. 14 seems good. Just need to improve the teams...

This! Along with the poster who said there is no reason that C-USA can't do what the Atlantic 10 did last year. It's all about performance. Win and you'll go. It's really that simple.
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RE: Should CUSA Basketball Expand
New Mexico State would be fine, except that UTEP would not be happy.
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Why would UTEP not be happy? UTEP plays them twice a year anyway.
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My understanding (and UTEP supporters, jump in to correct/clarify) is that while they don't mind playing NMSU OOC, they don't want them in the same conference because they're part of the same MSA and TV market.
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Correctomundo, but they're not part of the MSA or TV market. They're really a non-entity in this area except for those FOOLS that want them in the same conference which is a puzzle to me.

Enemas U. is fine where they are, don't rock the boat for them.
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Even if I were a fan of adding NMSU, I'm not, I would be against it purely out of fear of UTEP leaving.

Not because UTEP leaving would be an earth shattering loss, they would be missed no doubt, but if they ever did leave, the silver lining would be lopping off hundreds of miles off the east to west footprint and that one benefit would be gone if we had NMSU. We would have essentially traded UTEP for NMSU and I doubt very many would be on board with that.

I'm not even saying adding NMSU would prompt UTEP to leave(though it might) if they leave for totally unrelated reasons six years later, we're still saddled with NMSU as a geographic outlier that doesn't bring as much to the table as UTEP.
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Sigh. Where would we go. The only logical place would be the MW but they haven't offered any invitation and it's not like we can crash that party. Seriously, if we did leave I'd say for you to head to the eastern area for your new school as Enemas u. doesn't offer anything except a good bkb team occasionally. But which team in the new cusa would want to travel that far for a school like the aggies.
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(06-23-2014 04:54 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Correctomundo, but they're not part of the MSA or TV market. They're really a non-entity in this area except for those FOOLS that want them in the same conference which is a puzzle to me.

Enemas U. is fine where they are, don't rock the boat for them.

I think Enema Shoe is to UTEP as the U of L schools are to USM. For decades, you've been able to say "at least were not them". You've got a powerful incentive to keep them down. If they catch up with you, that's an indicator that UTEP is in an inferior position compared to where they've been historically.

At the same time, there are powerful reasons to let them in. They're close to UTEP. They're your rivals, in the sense that you play them a lot. They were I-A long before any of the schools we've added recently. And they're a state flagship... not much of one, admittedly, but they don't have the word "North", "South", "Pacific", or "Hartsfield" in their name.

But I think UTEP's administration blocked any attempt to add NMSU because they have a respect for your tradition, and for keeping up appearances, which transcends any concerns of money or convenience. Contrast this with USM, where our AD-impersonator practically tripped over himself in his rush to hold the front door open for LA Tech. I really think they'd have let the whole U of L system in en masse if ULL didn't scare the crap out of people.

Personally, not having a dog in the UTEP > NMSU fight, I'd rather have NMSU in CUSA. We are well past the point where thumbing our nose at them made any sense, and the UTEP vs. NMSU comparison by itself doesn't mean that much. You're if a free-fall whether your able to claw your way ahead of NMSU or not. TCU, SMU, UH, Tulsa, the entire MWC, etc. have passed you, while UTSA and UNT have caught up. Getting lapped by NMSU is just a formality at this point.
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(06-23-2014 05:39 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Getting lapped by NMSU is just a formality at this point.

NMSU isn't lapping anyone.
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(06-20-2014 04:07 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  IMHO there are no (really) available football teams that would add any value to CUSA. However, for the sake of basketball would the following basketball teams add value to the conference and do you think CUSA has any chance of adding them?

Wichita St, St Louis, Bradley, Xavier, Dayton & College Of Charleston

No.
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(06-23-2014 07:39 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-23-2014 05:39 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Getting lapped by NMSU is just a formality at this point.

NMSU isn't lapping anyone.

They have more upside than USM: bigger TV market, better academics... at this point, we're still coasting based on a location that was convenient 25 years ago. The further in time we get from the days when travel costs mattered (i.e. were a significant proportion of the athletic budget) the crappier USM looks, and the better the western schools look.

That includes UTEP as well. One thing that holds them back is academics; the WAC / MWC spent a long time in BYU's orbit, and they always tried to enforce a "Nerds Only" policy. Like the travel costs issue, that's going away. I look for UTEP, UTSA, and maybe even NMSU to find their way into a top 6 / top 7 conference pretty quickly. CUSA will continue to backfill from the Slum Belt.
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(06-20-2014 04:07 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  IMHO there are no (really) available football teams that would add any value to CUSA. However, for the sake of basketball would the following basketball teams add value to the conference and do you think CUSA has any chance of adding them?

Wichita St, St Louis, Bradley, Xavier, Dayton & College Of Charleston

I'm gonna second Scorpio...


NO. End of argument!
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(06-24-2014 03:18 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 04:07 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  IMHO there are no (really) available football teams that would add any value to CUSA. However, for the sake of basketball would the following basketball teams add value to the conference and do you think CUSA has any chance of adding them?

Wichita St, St Louis, Bradley, Xavier, Dayton & College Of Charleston

I'm gonna second Scorpio...


NO. End of argument!

It not an argument, it's a discussion. Six teams (five of which) have better basketball attendance than most CUSA schools and have experienced some success are being discussed. I'm good at 14, just thinking about the Conference's future on a hot summer day.
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RE: Should CUSA Basketball Expand
It is a stupid discussion and argument.
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(06-24-2014 08:35 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  It is a stupid discussion and argument.

Then why did you post? Stupid is as stupid does"
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RE: Should CUSA Basketball Expand
I for one am glad that re-alignment is pretty much over as far as CUSA is concerned, at least for a while.

I think we have 10+ years to grow together as a conference honestly. CUSA may be entering its longest period of stability since it was founded.
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(06-20-2014 05:58 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:47 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  NO.

Agreed. Conferences are better when all members are in for all sports.
C-USA should not expand, IMHO.

There are a handful of special cases (military academies, Notre Dame, BYU, some of the Catholic-oriented basketball schools) that might, theoretically, make sense as a partial member for some league(s). But C-USA has a solid set-up of 14 programs who are "All In" and there is no good reason to change that up.
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The solution is simple......if the value is there add Wichita State or Missouri State in the West and VCU in the east in basketball for now. Give them 10 years to plan and build a football program with the idea they will enter in CUSA football no later than 2025. If VCU has zero interest in football you add both Wichita State and Missouri State on the same idea and then simply slide UAB back over to the East when the time comes that they are ready. You pick up two new states of exposure for CUSA and further solidify the strength in basketball.


Now where can I pick up my consulting fee's?...
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(06-24-2014 11:21 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(06-24-2014 08:35 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  It is a stupid discussion and argument.

Then why did you post? Stupid is as stupid does"

Ok I will play. Lets add more teams in order to further divide NCAA credits that CUSA gets by sending 1 team to the tournament. There isn't a good basketball school/team that would be willing to leave their current conference for CUSA and therefore the argument and discussion is moronic.
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(06-24-2014 09:11 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(06-24-2014 11:21 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(06-24-2014 08:35 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  It is a stupid discussion and argument.

Then why did you post? Stupid is as stupid does"

Ok I will play. Lets add more teams in order to further divide NCAA credits that CUSA gets by sending 1 team to the tournament. There isn't a good basketball school/team that would be willing to leave their current conference for CUSA and therefore the argument and discussion is moronic.

How about St Louis & Wichata St.? Are you positive they will not leave their conference? I mean are you absolutely positive? I mean you know beyond the shadow of a doubt? And you don 't think their filled arenas on TV would be a plus for the conference.
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