(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

OK, now justify and prove that statement to be true. And don't hand me the mental health professional bit.

Over 1500 advanced species have been shown to exhibit the behavior, its been shown throughout all of human history, it makes sense evolutionarily for species survival in a scarce resource world. Should I keep goin?

So that makes it ok because we're just like the animals and failed societies (ancient Rome and Greece who celebrated it). Absolutely disgusting. What a sad outlook on life. It's no wonder the world has so many problems.

(06-16-2014 11:38 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  That doesn't sound "cured" to me. It sounds like a person who is suppressing her natural desires for religious reasons. More power to her, but she certainly is not "cured" for the obvious reason there is nothing to be cured from.

I want to jump every hot women I see, but I don't because of my religious convictions. The self discipline that comes along with faith is what holds our society together.

DR BEN CARSON FOR PRESIDENT!

Well, that and the risk of getting slapped a million times and thrown in jail. lol

By JDTulane's logic eating one's on excrement is also normal. After all, many species of animals do it.

(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

OK, now justify and prove that statement to be true. And don't hand me the mental health professional bit.

Over 1500 advanced species have been shown to exhibit the behavior, its been shown throughout all of human history, it makes sense evolutionarily for species survival in a scarce resource world. Should I keep goin?

Crap flinging monkeys and homosexuals do have a fascination with feces.

OD, there are members of the APA who have written papers and argued children can consent to and are not harmed by sex with adults. There is already early movement on normalizing pedophilia.

In years to come, you're going to be on the receiving end of the name calling. "Pedophobia" will be thrown your way. Maybe someday, it a moment of clarity, you'll be reminded of these discussions.

(06-16-2014 12:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  OD, there are members of the APA who have written papers and argued children can consent to and are not harmed by sex with adults. There is already early movement on normalizing pedophilia.

In years to come, you're going to be on the receiving end of the name calling. "Pedophobia" will be thrown your way. Maybe someday, it a moment of clarity, you'll be reminded of these discussions.

http://www.NAMBLA.org

(06-16-2014 12:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  OD, there are members of the APA who have written papers and argued children can consent to and are not harmed by sex with adults. There is already early movement on normalizing pedophilia.

In years to come, you're going to be on the receiving end of the name calling. "Pedophobia" will be thrown your way. Maybe someday, it a moment of clarity, you'll be reminded of these discussions.

My liberalism has limits. Sex between a child and an adult is a violation of boundaries. plain and simple. I hope, like the rest of you on here, We never see that day. I personally don't see it ever happening. At least most of us on here can agree on this point.

I'm not going to click that link.

(06-16-2014 11:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 11:29 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I'm afraid the example, as written is so improbable to be beyond needing to consider. It's never gonna happen.

you know, except for the time where an EU members supreme court overturned a statutory rape conviction because of the amorous nature of the relationship.

It is happening that's the point... Go back to the 70's and say RvWade will mean a million abortions a year or that more AA girls would die in the womb than be born...

They would laugh and tell you "that's never going to happen"//

Quote:To the extent science can show the harmful psychological effects of pedophilia, it is a scientific fact, not a societal construct.

"harmful" is once again a matter of opinion. 40 years ago the extent science would should you the harmful effects of homosexuality were scientific fact, not a social construct.

Quote:pPlus, I did not, nor would any other knowledgeable person say pedophilia can be cured. It can't.

IOW they are born that way? It can't means 100% of the time? kind of a broad generalization there right?

Some things are so self evident, and so many people agree, that a generalization is permissible. A true scientist will acknowledge nothing can be known for an absolute certainty, but the odds of the sun coming up in the east are so great you can bank on it. So, when the odds are so miniscule something will happen, a generalization is OK. Problem is, people used to agree to understand the generalization was understood. Now we have to qualify everything we say cause somebody will say "Always? are you certain? isn't that a generalization?" just to be argumentative for the sake of being contrary,not to really advance the discussion.

(06-16-2014 12:53 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm not going to click that link.

It would disgust you. Homosexual men who prefer what they say is consensual sex with under age boys.

(06-16-2014 12:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 12:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  OD, there are members of the APA who have written papers and argued children can consent to and are not harmed by sex with adults. There is already early movement on normalizing pedophilia.

In years to come, you're going to be on the receiving end of the name calling. "Pedophobia" will be thrown your way. Maybe someday, it a moment of clarity, you'll be reminded of these discussions.

My liberalism has limits. Sex between a child and an adult is a violation of boundaries. plain and simple. I hope, like the rest of you on here, We never see that day. I personally don't see it ever happening. At least most of us on here can agree on this point.

And 30 years ago most adults could have agreed that the homosexual lifestyle was deviant. Most of us would have said Businesses should not be forced to cater to gay weddings....

If I had sad to a reasonably intelligent adult in 1980 "Hey in 35 years they will start putting bakers out of business if they refuse to make a gay wedding cake" the response would have been "Oh its never going to be like that"..

Progressives govern like chefs cook frogs... Too slowly for the victims to notice..

(06-16-2014 02:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 12:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 12:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  OD, there are members of the APA who have written papers and argued children can consent to and are not harmed by sex with adults. There is already early movement on normalizing pedophilia.

In years to come, you're going to be on the receiving end of the name calling. "Pedophobia" will be thrown your way. Maybe someday, it a moment of clarity, you'll be reminded of these discussions.

My liberalism has limits. Sex between a child and an adult is a violation of boundaries. plain and simple. I hope, like the rest of you on here, We never see that day. I personally don't see it ever happening. At least most of us on here can agree on this point.

And 30 years ago most adults could have agreed that the homosexual lifestyle was deviant. Most of us would have said Businesses should not be forced to cater to gay weddings....

If I had sad to a reasonably intelligent adult in 1980 "Hey in 35 years they will start putting bakers out of business if they refuse to make a gay wedding cake" the response would have been "Oh its never going to be like that"..

Progressives govern like chefs cook frogs... Too slowly for the victims to notice..

Think about what you said. "30 years ago... 35 years ago.... these societal changes did not take place exclusively on the dems watch. Repubs have had their fair share of presidencys.
Let's not make changes in mores all about libs. It is a societal shift. I would argue brought on more by materialism and the pursuit of the almighty $$$.Again, I do not think homosexuality and pedophilia are in the same boat. But you know what? never say never, right?

(06-15-2014 05:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:10 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  This article is about someone who wants to be cured and has a comment from someone refusing the cure.

Quote:A TOOWOOMBA Christian ministry run by a former lesbian claims to be able to heal people of their homosexuality.

Triumphant Ministries Toowoomba was founded by Kathleen Malligan, who says she was "delivered from her lesbianism by Jesus Christ".

Ms Malligan says on the ministry's website she can help people who "want freedom and deliverance from a lifestyle of homosexuality".

"I was lesbian, sex addicted yet without gender confusion," she said.

"It will be 19 years in December 2014 since I have been in a lesbian relationship or had sexual intimacy with any woman.

"Today I no longer identify with being a lesbian, but a woman who is restored and heterosexual, who has this attraction but who has to guard her heart against this homosexual lust coming back to life again."

Ms Malligan says she can give homosexuals the knowledge and skills to repair their "sexual brokenness".

Toowoomba artist Reece Murray, 21, left school in grade 11 after he was bullied for being gay and said it was an insult to claim being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered was something to be freed from.

"I know that this woman is kidding herself. You can't change your sexuality for anyone."

"The fact that this is still going on in this day and age infuriates me.

"Every gay friend I have has had some sort of difficulty being gay in Toowoomba."

http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ex-l...e/2287582/

That doesn't sound "cured" to me. It sounds like a person who is suppressing her natural desires for religious reasons. More power to her, but she certainly is not "cured" for the obvious reason there is nothing to be cured from.

^This imo

(06-16-2014 02:54 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 02:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 12:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 12:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  OD, there are members of the APA who have written papers and argued children can consent to and are not harmed by sex with adults. There is already early movement on normalizing pedophilia.

In years to come, you're going to be on the receiving end of the name calling. "Pedophobia" will be thrown your way. Maybe someday, it a moment of clarity, you'll be reminded of these discussions.

My liberalism has limits. Sex between a child and an adult is a violation of boundaries. plain and simple. I hope, like the rest of you on here, We never see that day. I personally don't see it ever happening. At least most of us on here can agree on this point.

And 30 years ago most adults could have agreed that the homosexual lifestyle was deviant. Most of us would have said Businesses should not be forced to cater to gay weddings....

If I had sad to a reasonably intelligent adult in 1980 "Hey in 35 years they will start putting bakers out of business if they refuse to make a gay wedding cake" the response would have been "Oh its never going to be like that"..

Progressives govern like chefs cook frogs... Too slowly for the victims to notice..

Think about what you said. "30 years ago... 35 years ago.... these societal changes did not take place exclusively on the dems watch. Repubs have had their fair share of presidencys.

Im sorry youll have to show me where I was talking about either political party... Publicity aside W and his dad were not exactly staunch conservatives.

Quote:Let's not make changes in mores all about libs. It is a societal shift.

Which is being pushed by libs...

(06-15-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  It's all about self control, I'm not sure you can teach that. You can support those trying to exercise it. Just like.... alcoholics.

Right.

And there is no cure for alcoholism either.

You're still addicted to it. Choosing a life of sobriety does not 'cure' you. Just like this women choosing a life without homosexual behavior hasn't 'cured' her either.

The astounding ignorance of many on this thread is just outstanding.

Oh...and one more. Homosexuality is not Pedophilia and Pedophilia is not Homosexuality. Why is this still a bone of contention for otherwise educated people?

(06-15-2014 08:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

I think you're out of line here. You're assuming a lot that is not in evidence, and suggesting things that are potentially pretty distasteful about someone whom you have never met. Let's talk about issues here, and stay away from inappropriate and unwarranted ad hominems.

Really Owl?

Either throw your righteous indignation both ways or just shut the **** up. Thanks.

(06-16-2014 12:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My liberalism has limits. Sex between a child and an adult is a violation of boundaries. plain and simple. I hope, like the rest of you on here, We never see that day. I personally don't see it ever happening. At least most of us on here can agree on this point.

Catholic Church never saw it coming either.

Video http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...e-vatican/

Catholic Church made the mistake of trying to look the other way and the choir boys ended up sold to the highest bidding gay priest.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...sex-abuse/

http://news.yahoo.com/frontline-inside-t...30666.html

“There was a lot that came to light, including a man who was, as it were, providing choirboys as rent boys,” Thomas said. “What we have tried hard to do in the film is not be simplistic about this. There are a lot of people in the Vatican who are gay who are leading celibate lives, and this is difficult for them. And there are others who are promiscuous.”

(06-16-2014 04:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The astounding ignorance of many on this thread is just outstanding.

Oh...and one more. Homosexuality is not Pedophilia and Pedophilia is not Homosexuality. Why is this still a bone of contention for otherwise educated people?

Oh...and one more. No one has ever said that. Talk about astounding ignorance.

(06-16-2014 04:38 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/frontline-inside-t...30666.html

“There was a lot that came to light, including a man who was, as it were, providing choirboys as rent boys,” Thomas said. “What we have tried hard to do in the film is not be simplistic about this. There are a lot of people in the Vatican who are gay who are leading celibate lives, and this is difficult for them. And there are others who are promiscuous.”

Oh, then you are saying that homosexual desires CAN be suppressed? Hmm, imagine that. Did you hear that Red?