(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

Ever have cunniligus with your wife? I'd say that's an unnatural behavior. Certainly doesn't produce offspring . Is that then a diagnosable disorder?
Ever have anal sex with a woman? That's pretty unnatural as well, but tons and tons of straights have done it. Are they all perverts and diagnosable?

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sunit is can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

(06-15-2014 08:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

Ever have cunniligus with your wife? I'd say that's an unnatural behavior. Certainly doesn't produce offspring . Is that then a diagnosable disorder?
Ever have anal sex with a woman? That's pretty unnatural as well, but tons and tons of straighta have done it. Are they all perverts and diagnosable?

You're talking about sex, not sexuality. But keep trying.

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sunit is can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

Your assertion is purely subjective. If you believe in evolution, then homosexuals would not exist because they cannot reproduce.

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sunit is can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

OK, now justify and prove that statement to be true. And don't hand me the mental health professional bit.

(06-15-2014 07:16 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:15 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  But they do try to cure old men who like little girls, don't they? Otherwise, why the treatment, the counseling, the focus groups, the jail time?

Of course they do. There is a huge distinction between the two however. In the case of two consenting homosexuals people with mental disorders, there is no victim. In the other, there obviously is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that has an exceedingly low rate of recovery.

FIFY

How utterly childish.

Question, while one doesn't have a victim and one does, they are still both deviant behavior. Why does having a victim make one a mental disorder and one not?

deviant - departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior

I'd respond, but you might just FIFY.if you don't like the truth.

(06-15-2014 08:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

OK, now justify and prove that statement to be true. And don't hand me the mental health professional bit.

Over 1500 advanced species have been shown to exhibit the behavior, its been shown throughout all of human history, it makes sense evolutionarily for species survival in a scarce resource world. Should I keep goin?

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Of course they do. There is a huge distinction between the two however. In the case of two consenting homosexuals, there is no victim. In the other, there obviously is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that has an exceedingly low rate of recovery.

You're trying justify something that's biologically not normal. A guy liking girls is biologically normal; a guy liking someone he can't reproduce with is not. Man's laws make one act immoral and the other not. Go figure.

look I get it you consider homosexuality immoral. But there is a huge difference between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Even if you accept that both are immoral, one act has no damaging psychological impact on the two consenting men and is thus not illegal. whereas the other IS ILLEGAL, because it causes irreparable harm to it's victim.

High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

So you start by arguing gay drug use and suicide rates aren't due to their gayness and end by saying they are afraid and despise what they are. But they wouldn't be hanging themselves for that though, no. They keep it secret but endure hatred and discrimination none the less. Wonderful. You believe both cold and hot prove warming also, don't you.

For the record, TominLazybrook has discussed the drugs and suicide rates.

Oh and homophobia has no meaning. Just made up drivel. But you keep right on posting and maybe someday someone will accuse you of being a homophobic homo too.

Being gay is not normal,and yes other species exhibit this behavior when they are isolated from the opposite sex, but is not what is happening with humans.

(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Over 1500 advanced species have been shown to exhibit the behavior,

If I compared gays to "advanced species" you'd have a cow.

(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  its been shown throughout all of human history,

So has murder.

(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  it makes sense evolutionarily for species survival in a scarce resource world.

huh? A buddy system is not the same as being gay.

(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Should I keep goin?

Only if you have something better that what you already posted

(06-15-2014 08:17 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

It is.

OK, now justify and prove that statement to be true. And don't hand me the mental health professional bit.

Over 1500 advanced species have been shown to exhibit the behavior, its been shown throughout all of human history, it makes sense evolutionarily for species survival in a scarce resource world. Should I keep goin?

Seriously? Dogs hump legs does that make leg humping normal? I saw a dog humping a guardrail on the interstate once. When animals get horny they will hump what ever they can to satisfy the urge, they don't have prostitutes.

There has never been a civilization that survived openly homosexual behavior as a norm otherwise this discussion would not be happening. Yes homosexuality has existed through history, and was even accepted at points, but those civilization always fell.

(06-15-2014 08:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

Ever have cunniligus with your wife? I'd say that's an unnatural behavior. Certainly doesn't produce offspring . Is that then a diagnosable disorder?
Ever have anal sex with a woman? That's pretty unnatural as well, but tons and tons of straighta have done it. Are they all perverts and diagnosable?

You're talking about sex, not sexuality. But keep trying.

Wait., I thought that is what we're talking about. So if a homosexual reframes from homosexual sex, is he OK in your book, or does he still need therapy? A big part of the criteria for determing if a person has a disorder has to do with the idea that there behavior causes themself or others harm. If a gay leleads an otherwise peaceful., productive life, causes neither themself nor others harm, would you still advocate they receive therapy?

(06-15-2014 08:18 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  You're trying justify something that's biologically not normal. A guy liking girls is biologically normal; a guy liking someone he can't reproduce with is not. Man's laws make one act immoral and the other not. Go figure.

look I get it you consider homosexuality immoral. But there is a huge difference between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Even if you accept that both are immoral, one act has no damaging psychological impact on the two consenting men and is thus not illegal. whereas the other IS ILLEGAL, because it causes irreparable harm to it's victim.

High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

So you start by arguing gay drug use and suicide rates aren't due to their gayness and end by saying they are afraid and despise what they are. But they wouldn't be hanging themselves for that though, no. They keep it secret but endure hatred and discrimination none the less. Wonderful. You believe both cold and hot prove warming also, don't you.

For the record, TominLazybrook has discussed the drugs and suicide rates.

Oh and homophobia has no meaning. Just made up drivel. But you keep right on posting and maybe someday someone will accuse you of being a homophobic homo too.

Paul, don't you see it - he's implying that you're a closet homosexual because he thinks that's a good slur to hurl at you. So in his mind, there is something wrong with being gay otherwise there would be no slur to hurl. It's always the liberals who are the racists and homophobes and they hide it by accusing us of the same thing at the top of their lungs.

(06-15-2014 08:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  If a gay leleads an otherwise peaceful., productive life, causes neither themself nor others harm, would you still advocate they receive therapy?

No. Same thing for a pedophile, liberal, Muslim, or anyone else with brain damage.

(06-15-2014 08:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:18 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  look I get it you consider homosexuality immoral. But there is a huge difference between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Even if you accept that both are immoral, one act has no damaging psychological impact on the two consenting men and is thus not illegal. whereas the other IS ILLEGAL, because it causes irreparable harm to it's victim.

High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

So you start by arguing gay drug use and suicide rates aren't due to their gayness and end by saying they are afraid and despise what they are. But they wouldn't be hanging themselves for that though, no. They keep it secret but endure hatred and discrimination none the less. Wonderful. You believe both cold and hot prove warming also, don't you.

For the record, TominLazybrook has discussed the drugs and suicide rates.

Oh and homophobia has no meaning. Just made up drivel. But you keep right on posting and maybe someday someone will accuse you of being a homophobic homo too.

Paul, don't you see it - he's implying that you're a closet homosexual because he thinks that's a good slur to hurl at you. So in his mind, there is something wrong with being gay otherwise there would be no slur to hurl. It's always the liberals who are the racists and homophobes and they hide it by accusing us of the same thing at the top of their lungs.

You probably should have PM'ed Paul. Filling him in on the board is tacit admission he's to dense to get it.
You guys need to join the circus. Your all excellent contortionists. As I tighten the vice on your idiocy, you become less and less coherent. Please read some of your nonsense. It defies belief and sounds like the reasoning of a 12 year old.

When one goes into the history of the struggle to transmute homosexual activity from sexual perversion to cultural endorsement we find a concerted effort by the Gaystapo to delegitimize their opponents through language.

Though the perfectly nice word “gay” had been co-opted in the service of homosexual sex by the 1930s, the masterstroke was when the term “homophobia” first appeared in 1981 to describe opposition to homosexual acts. The term is pernicious. First, the bogus “phobia” designation strives to make the normal aversion to homosexuality into something like a mental illness. The early reasoning was that anyone who thought homosexual sex was wrong was in fact unsure of their own sexuality and more than likely a closeted homosexual themselves. This is obviously stupid and so the definition has morphed from the idea of “phobia” as a fear to:

a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

So if your religious beliefs tell you that you are more than your libido you are a homophobe.

Recently a second attack has taken shape: the idea of someone being anti-gay. So, how is that defined? One of the staff homosexuals at Huffington Post lets us know what the standards are:

So, to clear up any confusion, here’s an easy test to see if you’re anti-gay:

-If you have a gay friend (or sister or coworker or…) but still think that queer people should not be able to get married, then you are anti-gay.

-If you’re fine with queer people as long as you don’t have to see them kissing or holding hands, then you are anti-gay.

-If you don’t have anything against queer people but wouldn’t want a gay man leading your son’s scout troop, then you are anti-gay.

-If you think that inside queer people there is anything lurking — however small — that causes us to have any less integrity or humanity than straight people have, then you are anti-gay.

Basically, if you’ve got an issue with queer people and whom or how we love or live or get off — whether you’re a grandma in Detroit or the Pope in the Vatican — then you’re anti-gay.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/12/24/the-g...and-logic/

(06-15-2014 08:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  If a gay leleads an otherwise peaceful., productive life, causes neither themself nor others harm, would you still advocate they receive therapy?

No. Same thing for a pedophile, liberal, Muslim, or anyone else with brain damage.

Well thank you for at least that much.

(06-15-2014 08:29 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:18 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

So you start by arguing gay drug use and suicide rates aren't due to their gayness and end by saying they are afraid and despise what they are. But they wouldn't be hanging themselves for that though, no. They keep it secret but endure hatred and discrimination none the less. Wonderful. You believe both cold and hot prove warming also, don't you.

For the record, TominLazybrook has discussed the drugs and suicide rates.

Oh and homophobia has no meaning. Just made up drivel. But you keep right on posting and maybe someday someone will accuse you of being a homophobic homo too.

Paul, don't you see it - he's implying that you're a closet homosexual because he thinks that's a good slur to hurl at you. So in his mind, there is something wrong with being gay otherwise there would be no slur to hurl. It's always the liberals who are the racists and homophobes and they hide it by accusing us of the same thing at the top of their lungs.

You probably should have PM'ed Paul. Filling him in on the board is tacit admission he's to dense to get it.
You guys need to join the circus. Your all excellent contortionists. As I tighten the vice on your idiocy, you become less and less coherent. Please read some of your nonsense. It defies belief and sounds like the reasoning of a 12 year old.

Talk about dense, that was for you to see, not him.

(06-15-2014 08:29 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:18 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

So you start by arguing gay drug use and suicide rates aren't due to their gayness and end by saying they are afraid and despise what they are. But they wouldn't be hanging themselves for that though, no. They keep it secret but endure hatred and discrimination none the less. Wonderful. You believe both cold and hot prove warming also, don't you.

For the record, TominLazybrook has discussed the drugs and suicide rates.

Oh and homophobia has no meaning. Just made up drivel. But you keep right on posting and maybe someday someone will accuse you of being a homophobic homo too.

Paul, don't you see it - he's implying that you're a closet homosexual because he thinks that's a good slur to hurl at you. So in his mind, there is something wrong with being gay otherwise there would be no slur to hurl. It's always the liberals who are the racists and homophobes and they hide it by accusing us of the same thing at the top of their lungs.

You probably should have PM'ed Paul. Filling him in on the board is tacit admission he's to dense to get it.
You guys need to join the circus. Your all excellent contortionists. As I tighten the vice on your idiocy, you become less and less coherent. Please read some of your nonsense. It defies belief and sounds like the reasoning of a 12 year old.

You keep telling yourself that you're more intelligent than the rest of us; you might start to believe your own lies. It's possible you already do, but I try not to make presumptions.

(06-15-2014 08:29 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 08:18 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

So you start by arguing gay drug use and suicide rates aren't due to their gayness and end by saying they are afraid and despise what they are. But they wouldn't be hanging themselves for that though, no. They keep it secret but endure hatred and discrimination none the less. Wonderful. You believe both cold and hot prove warming also, don't you.

For the record, TominLazybrook has discussed the drugs and suicide rates.

Oh and homophobia has no meaning. Just made up drivel. But you keep right on posting and maybe someday someone will accuse you of being a homophobic homo too.

Paul, don't you see it - he's implying that you're a closet homosexual because he thinks that's a good slur to hurl at you. So in his mind, there is something wrong with being gay otherwise there would be no slur to hurl. It's always the liberals who are the racists and homophobes and they hide it by accusing us of the same thing at the top of their lungs.

You probably should have PM'ed Paul. Filling him in on the board is tacit admission he's to dense to get it.
You guys need to join the circus. Your all excellent contortionists. As I tighten the vice on your idiocy, you become less and less coherent. Please read some of your nonsense. It defies belief and sounds like the reasoning of a 12 year old.

I happen to agree with SMN, you used being a homosexual as an insult so you must believe being a homosexual is not normal.