(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

You have to want to be cured.

(06-15-2014 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:10 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  This article is about someone who wants to be cured and has a comment from someone refusing the cure.

Quote:A TOOWOOMBA Christian ministry run by a former lesbian claims to be able to heal people of their homosexuality.

Triumphant Ministries Toowoomba was founded by Kathleen Malligan, who says she was "delivered from her lesbianism by Jesus Christ".

Ms Malligan says on the ministry's website she can help people who "want freedom and deliverance from a lifestyle of homosexuality".

"I was lesbian, sex addicted yet without gender confusion," she said.

"It will be 19 years in December 2014 since I have been in a lesbian relationship or had sexual intimacy with any woman.

"Today I no longer identify with being a lesbian, but a woman who is restored and heterosexual, who has this attraction but who has to guard her heart against this homosexual lust coming back to life again."

Ms Malligan says she can give homosexuals the knowledge and skills to repair their "sexual brokenness".

Toowoomba artist Reece Murray, 21, left school in grade 11 after he was bullied for being gay and said it was an insult to claim being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered was something to be freed from.

"I know that this woman is kidding herself. You can't change your sexuality for anyone."

"The fact that this is still going on in this day and age infuriates me.

"Every gay friend I have has had some sort of difficulty being gay in Toowoomba."

http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ex-l...e/2287582/

That doesn't sound "cured" to me. It sounds like a person who is suppressing her natural desires for religious reasons. More power to her, but she certainly is not "cured" for the obvious reason there is nothing to be cured from.

But they do try to cure old men who like little girls, don't they? Otherwise, why the treatment, the counseling, the focus groups, the jail time?

Of course they do. There is a huge distinction between the two however. In the case of two consenting homosexuals, there is no victim. In the other, there obviously is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that has an exceedingly low rate of recovery.

You're trying justify something that's biologically not normal. A guy liking girls is biologically normal; a guy liking someone he can't reproduce with is not. Man's laws make one act immoral and the other not. Go figure.

(06-15-2014 07:24 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Have you sought help for your homophobia? It doesn't appear to have helped. Just exercise your willpower and maybe it'll go away, or maybe God will lift it from you if you ask him to.

So you have no answer.

(06-15-2014 07:24 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Have you sought help for your homophobia? It doesn't appear to have helped. Just exercise your willpower and maybe it'll go away, or maybe God will lift it from you if you ask him to.

Why is that good for straight people but not people practicing an abnormal behavior?

Forgive me for being gone when I read...TOOWOOMBA. WTF is that anyway?

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

(06-15-2014 07:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:10 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  This article is about someone who wants to be cured and has a comment from someone refusing the cure.

That doesn't sound "cured" to me. It sounds like a person who is suppressing her natural desires for religious reasons. More power to her, but she certainly is not "cured" for the obvious reason there is nothing to be cured from.

But they do try to cure old men who like little girls, don't they? Otherwise, why the treatment, the counseling, the focus groups, the jail time?

Of course they do. There is a huge distinction between the two however. In the case of two consenting homosexuals, there is no victim. In the other, there obviously is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that has an exceedingly low rate of recovery.

You're trying justify something that's biologically not normal. A guy liking girls is biologically normal; a guy liking someone he can't reproduce with is not. Man's laws make one act immoral and the other not. Go figure.

look I get it you consider homosexuality immoral. But there is a huge difference between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Even if you accept that both are immoral, one act has no damaging psychological impact on the two consenting men and is thus not illegal. whereas the other IS ILLEGAL, because it causes irreparable harm to it's victim.

(06-15-2014 07:34 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Forgive me for being gone when I read...TOOWOOMBA. WTF is that anyway?

South-East Queensland, Australia

(06-15-2014 07:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:34 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Forgive me for being gone when I read...TOOWOOMBA. WTF is that anyway?

South-East Queensland, Australia

****..I thought is was some female part reference.

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

I understand that, heard it many times. So? Any other behavior imaginable you can get counseling for whether listed or not. Whether deemed normal or nuts.

Again, why the hostility against anyone seeking to abstain from homosexuality?

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  That doesn't sound "cured" to me. It sounds like a person who is suppressing her natural desires for religious reasons. More power to her, but she certainly is not "cured" for the obvious reason there is nothing to be cured from.

But they do try to cure old men who like little girls, don't they? Otherwise, why the treatment, the counseling, the focus groups, the jail time?

Of course they do. There is a huge distinction between the two however. In the case of two consenting homosexuals, there is no victim. In the other, there obviously is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that has an exceedingly low rate of recovery.

You're trying justify something that's biologically not normal. A guy liking girls is biologically normal; a guy liking someone he can't reproduce with is not. Man's laws make one act immoral and the other not. Go figure.

look I get it you consider homosexuality immoral. But there is a huge difference between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Even if you accept that both are immoral, one act has no damaging psychological impact on the two consenting men and is thus not illegal. whereas the other IS ILLEGAL, because it causes irreparable harm to it's victim.

High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

(06-15-2014 07:45 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

I understand that, heard it many times. So? Any other behavior imaginable you can get counseling for whether listed or not. Whether deemed normal or nuts.

Again, why the hostility against anyone seeking to abstain from homosexuality?

Abstinence and conversion are two totally different things. One is possible and the other isnt, unless youre beginning as a bisexual... but I know very little on the kindset of a true 5050er.

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

Jeez, you can walk into a therapist's office and ask for help for anything. If you want to stop chewing bubble gum, you aren't going to get resistance from the APA.

And we keep hearing the self loathing and no chance BS with no proof it's any less successful than Alcoholics Anon.

Exclusion from a book has little bearing on whether something is or isn't. Many doctors disagree with the APA. There are members who would remove pedophilia.

(06-15-2014 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  But they do try to cure old men who like little girls, don't they? Otherwise, why the treatment, the counseling, the focus groups, the jail time?

Of course they do. There is a huge distinction between the two however. In the case of two consenting homosexuals, there is no victim. In the other, there obviously is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that has an exceedingly low rate of recovery.

You're trying justify something that's biologically not normal. A guy liking girls is biologically normal; a guy liking someone he can't reproduce with is not. Man's laws make one act immoral and the other not. Go figure.

look I get it you consider homosexuality immoral. But there is a huge difference between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Even if you accept that both are immoral, one act has no damaging psychological impact on the two consenting men and is thus not illegal. whereas the other IS ILLEGAL, because it causes irreparable harm to it's victim.

High drug use and suicide rates say otherwise.

I am unaware of any studies that support your assertion, but even if they are out there, I suspect drug use and suicide rates would be influenced not by being gay, but by having to endure the hatred and discrimination they are subjected to. You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

I think you're out of line here. You're assuming a lot that is not in evidence, and suggesting things that are potentially pretty distasteful about someone whom you have never met. Let's talk about issues here, and stay away from inappropriate and unwarranted ad hominems.

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

So you're saying homosexuality is a natural behavior? Really?

(06-15-2014 07:55 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 06:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  As to the OP: im going to use my neuroscience background, the advisement of the American Psychological Association, and the advisement of the World Health Organization, and discount gay conversion therapy as it is a pseudoscience and does not work.

Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

Jeez, you can walk into a therapist's office and ask for help for anything. If you want to stop chewing bubble gum, you aren't going to get resistance from the APA.

And we keep hearing the self loathing and no chance BS with no proof it's any less successful than Alcoholics Anon.

Exclusion from a book has little bearing on whether something is or isn't. Many doctors disagree with the APA. There are members who would remove pedophilia.

Your assertion that anything can be treated is not exactly accurate. It would be highly unethical to treat a person who did not have a diagnosable disorder. Homosexuality is not a disorder. Is it different? yes,is it a disorder? nope.Mental health professionals know that many personality disorders are in fact, not treatable. pedophilia is one, so is psychopathy.Borderlines and antisocials also respond poorly to therapy.
As a matter of fact, you'd be spending your time much more beneficially if you'd rread up on psychopathy. It's very misunderstood and effects people lives far more than they realize.
I have never heard that. Would you agree with them?

(06-15-2014 08:04 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:55 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:36 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Please explain why every other disorder or behavior under the sun can be treated or help provided except for this one thing. Everything, everything, everything, you can seek and receive help for if you so desire. What makes homosexuality the one exception.

Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disorder and hasn't been since 1973 in the DSM, a diagnostic book used by every mental health professional.

So youre trying to treat a disorder that doesnt exist with therapies that cause self loathing and no chance of success.

Jeez, you can walk into a therapist's office and ask for help for anything. If you want to stop chewing bubble gum, you aren't going to get resistance from the APA.

And we keep hearing the self loathing and no chance BS with no proof it's any less successful than Alcoholics Anon.

Exclusion from a book has little bearing on whether something is or isn't. Many doctors disagree with the APA. There are members who would remove pedophilia.

Your assertion that anything can be treated is not exactly accurate. It would be highly unethical to treat a person who did not have a diagnosable disorder. Homosexuality is not a disorder. Is it different? yes,is it a disorder? nope.Mental health professionals know that many personality disorders are in fact, not treatable. pedophilia is one, so is psychopathy.Borderlines and antisocials also respond poorly to therapy.
As a matter of fact, you'd be spending your time much more beneficially if you'd rread up on psychopathy. It's very misunderstood and effects people lives far more than they realize.
I have never heard that. Would you agree with them?

Mental health professionals call pedophilia a mental disorder and muslims call it normal.

I would imagine any mental health professional who wants to work and support his family would never come out and say homosexuality is a mental disorder.

(06-15-2014 08:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 07:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  You know, you seem to know alot about this issue, even if most of it is incorrect. I'm starting to wonder if you have some hidden interest in the subject. Homophobia is sometimes ascribed to people who are secretly gay and refuse to accept it. They are afraid and despise the very thing they may in fact, be.

I think you're out of line here. You're assuming a lot that is not in evidence, and suggesting things that are potentially pretty distasteful about someone whom you have never met. Let's talk about issues here, and stay away from inappropriate and unwarranted ad hominems.

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