I was told earthquake code, and the soil from being on a bluff makes true skyscrapers out if the question for Memphis...no idea if that's true as I'm no engineer.

(06-08-2014 12:35 PM)downsouth Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:22 PM)downsouth Wrote:  Some major butt hurt in this thread.

Native Memphians have an inferiority complex/mental midget outlook on so many things it's sad.

Some people hate seeing wonderful old buildings torn down for no good reason...I'm glad projects like Crosstown and untapped are happening.

That's got nothing to do with it. My career is in the architecture/planning/historic preservation industry. I'm all for the preservation of historic properties and the preservation of the integrity of historic districts.

The constant "eff Nashville because they have the Titans, have better schools, better public transit, lower crime rate, lower poverty rate, is actually growing, etc." is getting old and is exactly what I'm referring to.

You couldn't be further off and you need a major reality check..

The reasons you list are NOT why memphians dislike Nashville. I like nashville and travel there all the time for work (monthly).

People in memphis get their feathers ruffled at nashville because of the CONSTANT attitude people in Nashville have towards all things memphis. I experience it every single time I'm there without fail. On a good trip all I get is subtle racism or sarcastic remarks.

I don't have an "us against" them attitude against Nashville - I like the city. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be told where to live or that my choice on where to live is bad because someone from Nashville told me so. I've lived in 5 states, several major cities, and I've traveled all over the world - US, Canada, India, Europe, South America, the Middle East. I even have a job where I can choose where I can live. I choose here and I choose to try to make the city better.

All your other points are way off - Titans? Many memphians are Titans fans. Crime? Yep, it's an issue but newsflash sport - Nashville is only 2 places behind memphis on the FBI violent crime list.

Memphis is the #1 tax source in the state and yeah, there is a competition between Nashville and Memphis regarding how state tax revenue is spent. That's true of Austin and Dallas and many other states with 2 major cities, one of which happens to be the state capital. There will always be a problem with tax resources between the 2 cities and memphis will probably always be on the short end of the stick. A perfect example - memphis has a burgeoning indie film industry and has been working to bring major films to the city but nashville has shot down any tax benefits and eaten up all film tax credits for the show Nashville. That's how the ball rolls sometimes but you can't blame memphians for telling their representatives to try to get taxes spent on memphis projects. The same thing occurs at the national level in congress when we're competition with other states for resources.

What's wrong with Nashville isn't the city, the nightlife, the influx of northerners, the music, or the competition over tax resources.

What's wrong with Nashville is people like YOU.

(06-08-2014 01:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I was told earthquake code, and the soil from being on a bluff makes true skyscrapers out if the question for Memphis...no idea if that's true as I'm no engineer.

I've heard that espoused since the late 70's. I don't recall hearing about either of those obstacles when plans for One Beale were unveiled.

(06-08-2014 02:04 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 01:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I was told earthquake code, and the soil from being on a bluff makes true skyscrapers out if the question for Memphis...no idea if that's true as I'm no engineer.

I've heard that espoused since the late 70's. I don't recall hearing about either of those obstacles when plans for One Beale were unveiled.

I've heard that as well, but come on, japan anyone???tokyo? San Francisco? How bout Dubai on the sand? The reason Memphis doesn't have new sky scrapers is the ones they do have are empty.

(06-08-2014 02:12 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 02:04 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 01:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I was told earthquake code, and the soil from being on a bluff makes true skyscrapers out if the question for Memphis...no idea if that's true as I'm no engineer.

I've heard that espoused since the late 70's. I don't recall hearing about either of those obstacles when plans for One Beale were unveiled.

I've heard that as well, but come on, japan anyone???tokyo? San Francisco? How bout Dubai on the sand? The reason Memphis doesn't have new sky scrapers is the ones they do have are empty.

View from the Sterick Building...I'd love to wake up to this every day:

(06-07-2014 07:02 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 01:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Great news! I'd love to see some of the older eye sores blown up & replaced with taller sleeker buildings. Memphis' skyline needs a change.

Maybe something like this?

(06-08-2014 12:02 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Yeah, I much prefer Memphis to either one of those...I didn't enjoy Little Rock or Nashville's downtown, at all...I like buildings with history.

I much prefer the sterick building to that expensive batman looking thing in Nashville.

Agreed. And Nashville does not have the Mighty Mississippi on its doorstep. Our river view from the bluffs cannot be matched, esp. when you add in the soul, history, and hospitality of this region.

Little Rock is the most boring place to be on a weekend.

(06-08-2014 01:28 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:55 PM)downsouth Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't like Nashville because they take our tax dollars and use it on themselves...new convention center (623 million), new crime lab that we could REALLY use (50 million), what did LP Field cost? 300 million?

Must be nice...

I'm curious as to how you think that your tax dollars were used to build Music City Center.

That's what I was wondering too.

All this Nashville talk has me thinking I need another weekend trip to do a little honky tonking on Broadway. Told a girl the other night who has never been that its a similar set up to Beale with much better music minus the crime, wine-o's and bums.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Just walk a block or two off Broadway and you will see plenty of bums, winos, crackheads. There is plenty of crime in Nashville. And I would beg to differ about the music being better than Beale.
Nashville is just different. I've spent my last two birthdays there, staying at the Hermitage Hotel downtown and the Central Station, both awesomely preserved buildings. We had a blast sitting at an outdoor table on Broad Street watching the rolling peddle-bar go by with little drunk girls hanging on, and all the tourists spending their money. The food and drinks were very good, the hospitality real, the honky-tonks a far cry from the real ones I remember back in the early 1970's, but designed to take your money.
It's fun to get away to a different "party", but Nashville has a real dark underbelly just like Memphis. They also have a very big opinion of themselves and a very condescending attitude toward Memphis, which is largely unmerited and stems from their own jealousy and FEAR. I have not cared for their attitude since long before they grew in size.

(06-08-2014 01:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 01:28 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:55 PM)downsouth Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't like Nashville because they take our tax dollars and use it on themselves...new convention center (623 million), new crime lab that we could REALLY use (50 million), what did LP Field cost? 300 million?

Must be nice...

I'm curious as to how you think that your tax dollars were used to build Music City Center.

That's what I was wondering too.

All this Nashville talk has me thinking I need another weekend trip to do a little honky tonking on Broadway. Told a girl the other night who has never been that its a similar set up to Beale with much better music minus the crime, wine-o's and bums.

If you keep runnin' east you'll live there eventually...enjoy.

The guy up top talks about:

Quote:The constant "eff Nashville because blah, blah, blah"

If you live in Memphis, that's how you should be...everyone who lives here should think it's the best thing since sliced bread...you should live somewhere you love, and want to live.

If you think that about Nashville, you should move there and be happy.

Honestly, we have way too many people who think a change in location will make everything all better...if someone has problems, those problems will follow them to whatever city they may be in at the time.

I cannot tell you how many people I have known who have moved to Nashville, only to move back the next year. Nashville has its charms, but it is not the Promised Land. Hell, if you really want to get the heck out of Dodge, get the cahoonas to make a real leap and check out Austin or Chicago or Portland or Denver or San Fran.

(06-08-2014 01:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I was told earthquake code, and the soil from being on a bluff makes true skyscrapers out if the question for Memphis...no idea if that's true as I'm no engineer.

Not sure, but it didn't stop the 38-story 100 N. Main Building from being built WITHOUT reinforced steel beams, and now plans to renovate it.

But you are right. Memphis sits on an unstable sandy loam/loess bluff.

(06-05-2014 02:45 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  Remember when they built the first 1 Beale and then tore it down?

No. 1 Beale was in a old renovated warehouse. Which brings up a point about the debate which city has the most magnificent skyline.

That pic of Nashville looks plastic. Kind of like most of the country music that comes out of that city.

There is no comparison of downtowns when you look at the total amount and quality of restored 19th century buildings in Memphis.

The FEF is so far advanced as compared to the Bridgestone Arena it's ridiculous.

If the NHL team goes on strike as they did just a few years ago or God forbid the league folds then the whole state of Tennessee is on the hook to pay the mortgage of that dump.

Not so with the FEF.

The only place in Nashville where there are sidewalks is downtown.

I actually like Nashville but it is true that Memphis never gets back a fair return for all the taxes generated from Shelby County.

Nashville is also in the top 20 of crime in the USA every year.

If i'm not mistaken Carlisle addressed the seismic questions back in 2008, saying that the soil samples on the area of one Beale were tested and confirmed to be ok for a building with significant height.
That area, in my opinion is perfect for a new highrise, because it would extend the length of the skyline towards Beale. Another good spot would be in the pinch district, that would extend the skyline to the pyramid side.

If the Raymond James corp. is looking for more office space they should look into a renovated 100 n. main building. It is much closer to the MK tower.

The city should then work with Carlisle and combine the One Beale tower as part of a new convention center. It would add practicality to a new signature tower for the city and it would be a money maker for the whole area.

(06-08-2014 02:40 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 01:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 01:28 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:55 PM)downsouth Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't like Nashville because they take our tax dollars and use it on themselves...new convention center (623 million), new crime lab that we could REALLY use (50 million), what did LP Field cost? 300 million?

Must be nice...

I'm curious as to how you think that your tax dollars were used to build Music City Center.

That's what I was wondering too.

All this Nashville talk has me thinking I need another weekend trip to do a little honky tonking on Broadway. Told a girl the other night who has never been that its a similar set up to Beale with much better music minus the crime, wine-o's and bums.

If you keep runnin' east you'll live there eventually...enjoy.

The guy up top talks about:

Quote:The constant "eff Nashville because blah, blah, blah"

If you live in Memphis, that's how you should be...everyone who lives here should think it's the best thing since sliced bread...you should live somewhere you love, and want to live.

If you think that about Nashville, you should move there and be happy.

Honestly, we have way too many people who think a change in location will make everything all better...if someone has problems, those problems will follow them to whatever city they may be in at the time.

I cannot tell you how many people I have known who have moved to Nashville, only to move back the next year. Nashville has its charms, but it is not the Promised Land. Hell, if you really want to get the heck out of Dodge, get the cahoonas to make a real leap and check out Austin or Chicago or Portland or Denver or San Fran.

I moved to Nashville to start the O'Charley's chain. The job was fine but it took a lot less than a year to come back.

(06-08-2014 01:47 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:35 PM)downsouth Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:22 PM)downsouth Wrote:  Some major butt hurt in this thread.

Native Memphians have an inferiority complex/mental midget outlook on so many things it's sad.

Some people hate seeing wonderful old buildings torn down for no good reason...I'm glad projects like Crosstown and untapped are happening.

That's got nothing to do with it. My career is in the architecture/planning/historic preservation industry. I'm all for the preservation of historic properties and the preservation of the integrity of historic districts.

The constant "eff Nashville because they have the Titans, have better schools, better public transit, lower crime rate, lower poverty rate, is actually growing, etc." is getting old and is exactly what I'm referring to.

On a good trip all I get is subtle racism or sarcastic remarks.

That can also be found 10 minutes east of wherever you are in Memphis.

(06-09-2014 09:23 AM)bobby jo Wrote:  If the Raymond James corp. is looking for more office space they should look into a renovated 100 n. main building. It is much closer to the MK tower.

The city should then work with Carlisle and combine the One Beale tower as part of a new convention center. It would add practicality to a new signature tower for the city and it would be a money maker for the whole area.

They're not looking for "more space" they're looking for "new space". Why would Carlisle in their right mind work with the City to combine One Beale into a City financed/operated convention center?

The old Peabody Place would make a nice, privately owned, convention center connected to the Peabody...that could be a good use.

Cook Convention Center just needs some TLC (renovation)

(06-09-2014 11:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The old Peabody Place would make a nice, privately owned, convention center connected to the Peabody...that could be a good use.

Cook Convention Center just needs some TLC (renovation)

It's too land locked.

We need a new convention Center with enough space to truly expand.

nice big empty parking lots along linden behind the chisca, just waiting for a good use. right next to the forum. right next to beale. right next to south main. just sayin'

(06-09-2014 10:52 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  nice big empty parking lots along linden behind the chisca, just waiting for a good use. right next to the forum. right next to beale. right next to south main. just sayin'

COGIV was supposed to build a hotel right there before their deal was cancelled. The old Raifords, old movie theater supply, and land between is also available.