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Virginia reporter David Teal proposes switching Louisville for Georgia Tech and making Clemson and VT permanent crossovers.

Interesting idea that I believe I've seen suggested here before.

I'd love it but I dont think Georgia Tech would want to lose Duke.

They are still better off divisionless with 3 rivals.

You know there's a problem when ACC Fan Boy is saying there needs to be change.

I've proposed this swap several times. It seems like a good compromise choice to me in that it gives most teams pretty much what they want without sticking it to anyone.

For the record, if the ACC could assure Pitt that two of its three annual rivals would include Miami and Virginia Tech, I'd be fine with that set up as well. However, since that appears to be off the table, so too does my support of such a radical measure.

From the Coastal POV, for recruiting purposes, we'd hate to lose biannual games in Atlanta - one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. However, if it balances out things better for the rest of the league then we'd be willing to make that sacrifice for the good of the order.

Also, I'd be in favor of this move if it meant less crying from the FSU faithful. If they could guarantee everyone that they'd stop whining about every...single...issue...that comes up for the next decade or so then I say let them have Georgia Tech. We'll go elsewhere for recruits and I agree that those two schools probably should play each year.

However, if we make this move and the Seminole admins and fans are still wailing about this issue or some other issue that they've dreamed up then I say to hell with it, let's keep everything as is for the foreseeable future. Let them stomp their heels and threaten to leave all they want. Let's face it, if they were going to leave, they'd have done so already. They're not going anywhere. They have it too good here to ever leave and their admin isn't stupid enough to believe otherwise. In what other power league is their petulance not only going to be tolerated but rewarded?

We're stuck with each other and while they should certainly be respected, their childish bullying tactics should absolutely be summarily bitchslapped away every single time.

IF you make that move, one of UNC/Duke is coming with us or you're rearranging crossovers to reinstate that. A crossover "rivalry" with a team we have NEVER F'N PLAYED is moronic. I would be pretty unhappy with his proposed divisions. There would be just two teams in the division GT gave a rip about.

Just stop with this division non-sense and go to top-two in the championship.

David Teel can ead for how he chose his words here:


from the link:



Louisville would lose annual games against Florida State and Clemson but would gain yearly contests versus Virginia Tech and Miami. Again, hardly a deal-breaker. Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker over divisions.

The op needs to spell his (Teel's) name correctly as I will if he (Teel) wants to start posturing like this.

We go to the Big 12 and the ACC adds UConn and see what happens.

We are NOT on our knees. pos wording!

I doubt this would fly, but what MIGHT is simply swapping GT w/ UL and keep all crossovers the same except this:

ATLANTIC - COASTAL
Ga Tech - Virginia
Clemson - Louisville

As much as I'd like to see Va Tech play Clemson every year, I don't think Ga Tech would go for UL as their crossover - especially if they were giving up UNC / Duke / UVa. This gives them UVa.

(05-30-2014 12:55 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  For the record, if the ACC could assure Pitt that two of its three annual rivals would include Miami and Virginia Tech, I'd be fine with that set up as well. However, since that appears to be off the table, so too does my support of such a radical measure.


Also, I'd be in favor of this move if it meant less crying from the FSU faithful. If they could guarantee everyone that they'd stop whining about every...single...issue...that comes up for the next decade or so then I say let them have Georgia Tech. We'll go elsewhere for recruits and I agree that those two schools probably should play each year.

However, if we make this move and the Seminole admins and fans are still wailing about this issue or some other issue that they've dreamed up then I say to hell with it, let's keep everything as is for the foreseeable future. Let them stomp their heels and threaten to leave all they want. Let's face it, if they were going to leave, they'd have done so already. They're not going anywhere. They have it too good here to ever leave and their admin isn't stupid enough to believe otherwise. In what other power league is their petulance not only going to be tolerated but rewarded?

We're stuck with each other and while they should certainly be respected, their childish bullying tactics should absolutely be summarily bitchslapped away every single time.

Read the first paragraph I quoted from your statement and then the end. Dude you complain about perspective changes all the time from the Pitt side of things. You are fine with it now because it is how Pitt wants it to be. Yet you see no reason that FSU fans should be pissed about the league screwing them yet again.

It is hilarious

Stay in the league more than 1 year if you think FSU always bullies their way to get what they want. Tobacco Rd rules this league. Notice that like every neutral site event is played in that state?

You need to learn the history of the league if you think FSU is always getting their way. I also like how you speak for Pitt as if your insignifcant self matters at all. Pitt will do what they are told. They were saved by the ACC. They are near the bottom of the totem pole in making decisions. Deal with it.

Stupid!

I still think Miami and FSU need to change places.

(05-30-2014 12:57 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  IF you make that move, one of UNC/Duke is coming with us or you're rearranging crossovers to reinstate that. A crossover "rivalry" with a team we have NEVER F'N PLAYED is moronic. I would be pretty unhappy with his proposed divisions. There would be just two teams in the division GT gave a rip about.

Just stop with this division non-sense and go to top-two in the championship.

Oh, wait. How many teams are in the division now that FSU and Clemson give a rip about?

(05-30-2014 02:09 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I still think Miami and FSU need to change places.

And kill FSU vs Clemson?

(05-30-2014 01:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  David Teel can ead for how he chose his words here:


from the link:



Louisville would lose annual games against Florida State and Clemson but would gain yearly contests versus Virginia Tech and Miami. Again, hardly a deal-breaker. Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker over divisions.

The op needs to spell his (Teel's) name correctly as I will if he (Teel) wants to start posturing like this.

We go to the Big 12 and the ACC adds UConn and see what happens.

We are NOT on our knees. pos wording!

That's what many UL fans have themselves said about their gratitude for joining the ACC themselves.

Your hypothetical is garbage. UL didn't turn down the Big 12.

(05-30-2014 02:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:09 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I still think Miami and FSU need to change places.

And kill FSU vs Clemson?

Yes. If they continue to be that strong they'd meet in the ACC championship game anyway.

(05-30-2014 02:21 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:09 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I still think Miami and FSU need to change places.

And kill FSU vs Clemson?

Yes. If they continue to be that strong they'd meet in the ACC championship game anyway.

Swapping FSU/Clemson for Miami/Va Tech would make more sense.

....and these few pages are why NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.


The one thing I have learned about the ACC in our "short" time so far is that no matter what move you make you will unintentionally cause 2 other things to mess up.

So as much as we love to talk about the divisions, UNTIL we blow them up completely I doubt they change a thing.
FLossY out....

(05-30-2014 02:26 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  ....and these few pages are why NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.


The one thing I have learned about the ACC in our "short" time so far is that no matter what move you make you will unintentionally cause 2 other things to mess up.

So as much as we love to talk about the divisions, UNTIL we blow them up completely I doubt they change a thing.
FLossY out....

-31 days as of this post

(05-30-2014 02:23 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:21 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:09 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I still think Miami and FSU need to change places.

And kill FSU vs Clemson?

Yes. If they continue to be that strong they'd meet in the ACC championship game anyway.

Swapping FSU/Clemson for Miami/Va Tech would make more sense.

That would be like my perfect division. Everybody GT cares about would be in the Coastal.

As a Syracuse Fan I don't want to see GT again and that triple option football attack. GT can stay in the coastal, Syracuse is competing against BC and UofL teams we have had more success against then that team in Atlanta.

(05-30-2014 02:23 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:21 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:09 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I still think Miami and FSU need to change places.

And kill FSU vs Clemson?

Yes. If they continue to be that strong they'd meet in the ACC championship game anyway.

Swapping FSU/Clemson for Miami/Va Tech would make more sense.

That would have made more sense a few years ago. VT has lost some of their luster.