Cincy & Houston in the same division worked well in the NFL.

I didn't honestly care one way or the other if Navy or Cincy ended up in the west, but I wanted ECU in a division with both UCF and USF. Glad to hear that's likely going to happen.

The East is a smaller version of what the Big East should have looked like 5-7 years ago, with Memphis included, if the people running the show had any vision whatsoever.

(05-29-2014 04:04 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  The best football programs in this league currently are Cincinnati, UCF, and ECU. Houston, UConn, and USF are next in line at the moment. Tulsa, Memphis, Navy, Temple, SMU, and Tulane all have the potential to have good teams but are half step behind the other six in terms of national perception.

Winning percentage since 2005 realignment * last 5 years attendance:

ECU 0.578 * 46483 = 26,867
UCF 0.615 * 37733 = 23,205
USF 0.513 * 43357 = 22,242
Cincy 0.678 * 32445 = 21,998
Navy 0.638 * 33389 = 21,302
UConn 0.496 * 35750 = 17,732
Houston 0.624 * 28041 = 17,498
Tulsa 0.636 * 21067 = 13,399
SMU 0.429 * 21065 = 9,037
Temple 0.389 * 23001 = 8,947
Memphis 0.309 * 24540 = 7,583
Tulane 0.275 * 21185 = 5,826

East
West

In terms of pure winning percentage, Navy, Houston and Tulsa are a combined 0.633 vs. Cincy, UCF & ECU at 0.624

(05-29-2014 05:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I didn't honestly care one way or the other if Navy or Cincy ended up in the west, but I wanted ECU in a division with both UCF and USF. Glad to hear that's likely going to happen.

At the core of it all, that's what I want too.

Everyone else can figure it out for themselves, just keep that group of 3 together.

(05-29-2014 05:18 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 04:04 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  The best football programs in this league currently are Cincinnati, UCF, and ECU. Houston, UConn, and USF are next in line at the moment. Tulsa, Memphis, Navy, Temple, SMU, and Tulane all have the potential to have good teams but are half step behind the other six in terms of national perception.

Winning percentage since 2005 realignment * last 5 years attendance:

ECU 0.578 * 46483 = 26,867
UCF 0.615 * 37733 = 23,205
USF 0.513 * 43357 = 22,242
Cincy 0.678 * 32445 = 21,998
Navy 0.638 * 33389 = 21,302
UConn 0.496 * 35750 = 17,732
Houston 0.624 * 28041 = 17,498
Tulsa 0.636 * 21067 = 13,399
SMU 0.429 * 21065 = 9,037
Temple 0.389 * 23001 = 8,947
Memphis 0.309 * 24540 = 7,583
Tulane 0.275 * 21185 = 5,826

East
West

In terms of pure winning percentage, Navy, Houston and Tulsa are a combined 0.633 vs. Cincy, UCF & ECU at 0.624

It is not just about winning percentage is about who those wins were against, fan support, perception, and potential growth. Houston can make an argument that they are top program, I will concede that point Navy has a national brand but isn't beating a lot of great teams every year even though they are almost always in a bowl game. Tulsa probably hit their high water mark in C-USA. For a long time they had a really good record but they did drop off last year. Their attendance is on the low end for this league which is a concern. In my view UConn and USF have loads of potential for growth, I am not sure they will get there but their ceiling is probably better than Tulsa's ceiling. Right now we are getting USF and UConn at the worst, which still isn't all that bad when you think about their attendance numbers and TV viewership. A bad Temple, Tulsa, or Tulane at this point does not bring a whole lot to the table. Even if those programs were having great years it probably doesn't move the needle as much as UConn, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, and ECU when they are having great seasons.

Idk much about usf and am not sure how the rest of the fanbase feels about them(aside from the crowd that still slobbers over holtz), but if we could get a decent little rivalry going and alternate ucf and usf (home and away) on a yearly basis I'd like that...as a fan.

(05-29-2014 05:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 05:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I didn't honestly care one way or the other if Navy or Cincy ended up in the west, but I wanted ECU in a division with both UCF and USF. Glad to hear that's likely going to happen.

At the core of it all, that's what I want too.

Everyone else can figure it out for themselves, just keep that group of 3 together.

HOPEFULLY this os the year ECU breaks our 0-for streak against USF! 0-4. D@MN!

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(05-29-2014 08:23 PM)ENCPir87769 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 05:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 05:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I didn't honestly care one way or the other if Navy or Cincy ended up in the west, but I wanted ECU in a division with both UCF and USF. Glad to hear that's likely going to happen.

At the core of it all, that's what I want too.

Everyone else can figure it out for themselves, just keep that group of 3 together.

HOPEFULLY this os the year ECU breaks our 0-for streak against USF! 0-4. D@MN!

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Other than UNC? It is the game I most want us to win. I still am not over the Pizza Bowl debacle.

(05-29-2014 05:06 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So the east is UCF, USF, Cincy, ECU, Temple, and UConn.

Good from a fans' perspective, because those are the teams that our fanbase most would want to see, but bad from a conference strategy standpoint.

Hope this is true. USF gets to stay in the same division with its Big East rivals, UConn and Cincy, and we get UCF as well.

I hate the fact we have to face the triple option but love the fact I get to go to Annapolis every year. If UH doesn't win that division every year it will be a travesty.

This alignment will turn Houston into a juggernaut. Memphis is the only hope at stopping that.

(05-30-2014 07:42 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This alignment will turn Houston into a juggernaut. Memphis is the only hope at stopping that.

You mean like they were in C-USA?

http://cincyontheprowl.com/2014/05/29/uc...onference/

According to this article this will be the divisions.

EAST

Cincinnati
UConn
USF
UCF
Temple
East Carolina
WEST

Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Navy

Not to pat myself on the back, but I've been clamoring for this setup since the final 12 teams for The American were announced!

(05-30-2014 06:49 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  I hate the fact we have to face the triple option but love the fact I get to go to Annapolis every year. If UH doesn't win that division every year it will be a travesty.

Those glasses sure are red-colored.

We played in a slightly weaker version of that division in CUSA (Rice for Navy, UTEP for Memphis), and won the division 3 times in 8 tries.

I'd be happy to win it 3/8 again, and ecstatic to win it 4+ out of 8.

(05-30-2014 08:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 06:49 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  I hate the fact we have to face the triple option but love the fact I get to go to Annapolis every year. If UH doesn't win that division every year it will be a travesty.

Those glasses sure are red-colored.

We played in a slightly weaker version of that division in CUSA (Rice for Navy, UTEP for Memphis), and won the division 3 times in 8 tries.

I'd be happy to win it 3/8 again, and ecstatic to win it 4+ out of 8.

you also have to look at the fact that tulsa isnt what it used to be. it was us or them every year with a sprinkled smu every now and them

we will be favored to win the divsion atleast the first 2 years (till okorn graduated)

also noted that 2 of the 8 we did didnt win we lost our top 2 qbs for the year in 1 game (were favored to win till that happened) and another year we had graduated everyone and only had 3 returning starters on offense

(05-30-2014 08:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  you also have to look at the fact that tulsa isnt what it used to be.

Why? Because they had one bad year? That's assuming an awful lot.

(05-30-2014 08:41 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 08:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  you also have to look at the fact that tulsa isnt what it used to be.

Why? Because they had one bad year? That's assuming an awful lot.

because the coaches that recruited/created the goods teams are gone, we'll see what they look like next year

(05-30-2014 08:41 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 08:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  you also have to look at the fact that tulsa isnt what it used to be.

Why? Because they had one bad year? That's assuming an awful lot.

The knock on Tulsa tends to be that their institutional profile doesn't look like other programs that sustain success over the long haul. There are not a whole lot of small private schools winning big in college football let alone a school outside of the BCS/Power Conference structure. Tulsa in my view has beaten the odds with their recent run so a down period could be expected but its hard to count them out completely.

(05-30-2014 06:49 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  I hate the fact we have to face the triple option but love the fact I get to go to Annapolis every year. If UH doesn't win that division every year it will be a travesty.

Tulsa has more CUSA championships than UH.
Tulsa won the west more than UH.

Why would you think you it will be any different going forward?

Were gonna suck bad this year but with a new staff we will be right back where we belong winning the west every year.