Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

It's easier to major in French Lit than Engineering or Business.

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

40% or more of today's kids ought not be in college period.

(05-12-2014 02:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  40% or more of today's kids ought not be in college period.

Unfortunately, listen to almost ANY Federal politician (Obama is one of the worst) and all they talk about in education is preparing high schoolers for college. No talk at all about the 70% of people that DO NOT GET A COLLEGE DEGREE.

We are failing our kids educationally by only talking about "college" and ignoring where the majority will end up. I guess it must be hard for all those Ivy League graduates to understand the alternate reality of the majority of this country.

(05-12-2014 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Not surprising, most college kids these days don't even know why they're there outside of the *fact* that it's "what you're supposed to do" after high school.

(05-12-2014 03:24 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

(05-12-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:24 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

A business administration degree is a great way to get your foot in the door as a secretary. Secretaries do very well in this economy as compared to 20 years ago and is in much higher demand than a liberal arts degree.

(05-12-2014 03:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:24 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

A business administration degree is a great way to get your foot in the door as a secretary. Secretaries do very well in this economy as compared to 20 years ago and is in much higher demand than a liberal arts degree.

depends on the liberal arts degree.

If you actually mean a degree that reads liberal arts, I agree.

If you are grouping History and English (and maybe a few others) in there, I disagree because many of the people with those degrees are always able to get teaching jobs, which is the intent for most anyway.

I have a history degree, but I work in marketing (mostly writing copy for websites & marketing material). I wanted to teach, but then decided I didn't want to be poor and treated like ****, so I decided to go in a different direction and it worked out well.

(05-12-2014 04:01 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:24 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

A business administration degree is a great way to get your foot in the door as a secretary. Secretaries do very well in this economy as compared to 20 years ago and is in much higher demand than a liberal arts degree.

depends on the liberal arts degree.

If you actually mean a degree that reads liberal arts, I agree.

If you are grouping History and English (and maybe a few others) in there, I disagree because many of the people with those degrees are always able to get teaching jobs, which is the intent for most anyway.

I have a history degree, but I work in marketing (mostly writing copy for websites & marketing material). I wanted to teach, but then decided I didn't want to be poor and treated like ****, so I decided to go in a different direction and it worked out well.

When did you graduate? It would be very difficult to get your job with a history degree and no experience today without a million dollar networking personality or nepotism. You could go into teaching or be a police officer. Secretaries make more than both of those professions. That was my point.

(05-12-2014 04:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 04:01 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:24 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

A business administration degree is a great way to get your foot in the door as a secretary. Secretaries do very well in this economy as compared to 20 years ago and is in much higher demand than a liberal arts degree.

depends on the liberal arts degree.

If you actually mean a degree that reads liberal arts, I agree.

If you are grouping History and English (and maybe a few others) in there, I disagree because many of the people with those degrees are always able to get teaching jobs, which is the intent for most anyway.

I have a history degree, but I work in marketing (mostly writing copy for websites & marketing material). I wanted to teach, but then decided I didn't want to be poor and treated like ****, so I decided to go in a different direction and it worked out well.

When did you graduate? It would be very difficult to get your job with a history degree and no experience today without a million dollar networking personality or nepotism. You could go into teaching or be a police officer. Secretaries make more than both of those professions. That was my point.

2009, so right in the heart of when things were at their worst.

I had quite a bit of work experience in a number of different fields though. I spent my summers working 2 (and for a short time 3) jobs. I also worked for free as the marketing department for a start up solar energy company just because I was interested in it and needed working experience that wasn't just at the country club I worked a in HS.

(05-12-2014 04:32 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 04:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 04:01 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

A business administration degree is a great way to get your foot in the door as a secretary. Secretaries do very well in this economy as compared to 20 years ago and is in much higher demand than a liberal arts degree.

depends on the liberal arts degree.

If you actually mean a degree that reads liberal arts, I agree.

If you are grouping History and English (and maybe a few others) in there, I disagree because many of the people with those degrees are always able to get teaching jobs, which is the intent for most anyway.

I have a history degree, but I work in marketing (mostly writing copy for websites & marketing material). I wanted to teach, but then decided I didn't want to be poor and treated like ****, so I decided to go in a different direction and it worked out well.

When did you graduate? It would be very difficult to get your job with a history degree and no experience today without a million dollar networking personality or nepotism. You could go into teaching or be a police officer. Secretaries make more than both of those professions. That was my point.

2009, so right in the heart of when things were at their worst.

I had quite a bit of work experience in a number of different fields though. I spent my summers working 2 (and for a short time 3) jobs. I also worked for free as the marketing department for a start up solar energy company just because I was interested in it and needed working experience that wasn't just at the country club I worked a in HS.

Good for you. I admire your grit and determination.

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Internships are almost necessary right now to have a good chance of getting jobs out of graduation.

I know this is absolutely true for the GIS field.

(05-12-2014 04:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Internships are almost necessary right now to have a good chance of getting jobs out of graduation.

I know this is absolutely true for the GIS field.

Been a good idea to go that route for a long while now anyway. Of course, folks complain about not getting paid internships these days.

Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

(05-12-2014 04:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Internships are almost necessary right now to have a good chance of getting jobs out of graduation.

I know this is absolutely true for the GIS field.

But you'll have a job, no doubt, b/c you're obviously so smart.

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

(05-12-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:24 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

General business degrees have higher rates of unemployment than BA degrees like History, English, and Political Science.

General business degrees are basically worthless. Have to specialize in something like finance, marketing, or accounting. My gf has recruiters calling her all the time trying to get her to talk accounting positions for 80,000+ despite not having worked in accounting for 2 years. I wish she'd do it, but she is set on going to veterinary school and has worked her ass off taking the pre-reqs to get there.

I don't know of one college in my area that offers a general business degree. All are the finance, acctg, etc.

The school where I taught in the MBA program, didn't have any undergraduate business degrees (finance, marketing, etc.).

Sorry, I meant a general Business Management / Administration degree. That's just sort of the standard go-to business degree.

Finance, accounting, etc majors do considerably better. Just like with anything, you really need to distinguish yourself and just getting the standard business admin degree these days says "well, I wanted to get a business degree, but only by doing the bare minimum."

Better than getting a psychology degree or some other bull**** like that, but the market is too saturated with business degrees that don't have a focal area.

That's true ... if you stop at a bachelors.

But just as fuel for the thread in general, here's a site listing unemployment by major.