It seems like a lot of posters on the AAC board think that only schools from the AAC and MWC will ultimately choose/be able to keep pace with the new P5 autonomy. Which MWC schools do you think that includes?

I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Whichever ones can recruit California best and keep good coaches.

Are we talking overall program?

fresno, sdsu and boise are the only ones that have the fanbase, the financial backing and the desire to do whatever it takes

the rest don't.unlv has potential because of vegas and the potential partners but are ways to go just to not be tragic

and air force like navy and army have limitation but is still very valuable with a fanbase and support. but like all of them there is a line in the sand on how far theyd be willing to go

teams like nevada and csu will try but lack the fanbase and finances to keep up

utah state is turning the ship around putting 2 great seasons together and projected another good one but were basically fcs quality athletic program 3 seasons ago

(05-10-2014 12:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  fresno, sdsu and boise are the only ones that have the fanbase, the financial backing and the desire to do whatever it takes

the rest don't.unlv has potential because of vegas and the potential partners but are ways to go just to not be tragic

and air force like navy and army have limitation but is still very valuable with a fanbase and support. but like all of them there is a line in the sand on how far theyd be willing to go

teams like nevada and csu will try but lack the fanbase and finances to keep up

utah state is turning the ship around putting 2 great seasons together and projected another good one but were basically fcs quality athletic program 3 seasons ago

Add Colorado State

(05-10-2014 12:54 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  fresno, sdsu and boise are the only ones that have the fanbase, the financial backing and the desire to do whatever it takes

the rest don't.unlv has potential because of vegas and the potential partners but are ways to go just to not be tragic

and air force like navy and army have limitation but is still very valuable with a fanbase and support. but like all of them there is a line in the sand on how far theyd be willing to go

teams like nevada and csu will try but lack the fanbase and finances to keep up

utah state is turning the ship around putting 2 great seasons together and projected another good one but were basically fcs quality athletic program 3 seasons ago

Add Colorado State

they average 15k attendance i have them with like a Nevada in which they'll try but can only keep up so much

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

u. colorado is the flagship not colorado state

and flagship alone is meaningless. its what you are flagshipping that matters.

being a flagship to a state with 500k-2mil (wyoming, idaho, hawaii, new mexico) isn't exactly the same as the flagship of a state with 7mill (mass)..especially when the population is spread over a large land mass and in the middle of nowhere. im a fan of umass because their are 20mil people within a 3hour drive to umass and the state is extremely populated and has money

(05-10-2014 01:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

u. colorado is the flagship not colorado state

and flagship alone is meaningless. its what you are flagshipping that matters.

being a flagship to a state with 500k-2mil (wyoming, idaho, hawaii, new mexico) isn't exactly the same as the flagship of a state with 7mill (mass)..especially when the population is spread over a large land mass and in the middle of nowhere. im a fan of umass because their are 20mil people within a 3hour drive to umass and the state is extremely populated and has money

cincy fans have been flagship brainwashed by ohio state. most states have dual schools with different programs that are the leads. mich/mich state. auburrn/alabama, florida/florida state, wash/wash state.....etc.

ohio is ohio state are their boitch. pay it no mind


Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, Air Force, and Hawaii are not like the others. i will leave it to yall to figure out the difference.

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

SDSU is the only school that doesn't look for the cheapest way out at every opportunity, so I'm only voting for them.

(05-10-2014 03:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

dumb thread is dumb

(05-10-2014 05:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 03:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

dumb thread is dumb

ya shere, your the king around here so you go ahead and keep on talking shi-- for no reason.

(05-10-2014 06:46 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 05:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 03:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

dumb thread is dumb

ya shere, your the king around here so you go ahead and keep on talking shi-- for no reason.

you're

yep i am the flagship

(05-10-2014 06:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 06:46 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 05:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 03:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

dumb thread is dumb

ya shere, your the king around here so you go ahead and keep on talking shi-- for no reason.

you're

yep i am the flagship

Yeah, you're the flagship of your state. I graduated from a non-P5 university so forgive me for my incorrect usage of said word.

(05-10-2014 03:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

Come on man, I realize the difference between Iowa and Iowa St when it comes to flagship status. I was just pointing out that in Colorado there is a unique situation when it comes to this and CSU is the land-grant flagship.--A fact that apparently few people know who post on here. BTW, I've been to Boulder many times visiting my "hippie" relatives up there and have nothing against Colorado nor do I favor Colorado St over them. I have no dog in that hunt. Now since we're on the subject of Colorado, I do like Air Force except when they're playing Army.

Don't see Boise St. keeping up now that the landscape has really changed. Favorable TV deal for them but not nearly enough and God forbid they start having average seasons...that TV deal could swing someone else's way. They just don't have it in the coffers to keep up. All of these good years and look how their program is doing financially.

I voted for all but SJSU (they once considered dropping football entirely and have no fan support to speak of), Nevada (money and fan support are a problem) and Utah State (money and fan support are problems). I voted for Wyoming, but they are iffy... just as Utah State is iffy in the "not being able to keep up" category.

The AAC is in much better shape financially and competitively. I still think that things will shake out in such a manner so as to allow for a merger of our two conferences, of some sort.