(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:19 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why can't we aspire to be like those countries.

Many of those countries are great places to live with great opportunities.
What separates usa is a billy bad ass high tech military.

Not true. Ever been to Bogata? It's lax liberal laws, class warfare and corruption that have turned places like that into violent, drug fueled hell holes.

Actually Columbia is much much better than what it used to be, a train wreck fueled by the drug cartels and kidnappings. I have a couple of GFs in Cartagena, in the North. Been there 3 times, no problems, stay in nice area
and you are fine. Columbian chicas are light years more hot than American women. They want you to slap that and pull their hair, be nasty.

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am getting the feeling we have some Baptist posters here.

Nope. I'm Methodist. It's just common sense to me.

18 years olds, drinking and clubs is a bad idea. It was a bad idea when we tried it the first time and it is still a bad idea.

Humans do not fully form rational decision making skills until they are in their mid twenties.

(04-23-2014 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The issue regarding teens turning to other and more accessible drugs like pills is indeed very real

Very true. Mom's medicine cabinet is more lucrative, safer, and easier to access than shoulder tapping a bum in front of the liquor store for your change. I think the best point the article makes is that if these people can drink with adults, they can learn to act like adults and have adult conversations. An 18 year old drinking with 16 year olds at high school parties will act much differently than drinking with 25 year olds at a pub.

(04-23-2014 03:08 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Oh yeah, that's a great excuse. People are sneaking drinks in high school so we should just lower the drinking age. Wow. You and him together can't even form a rational thought.

Pure stupidity.

Sigh... you obviously can't understand straight forward logic.

Person A drinks underage, but doesn't drive because it is dangerous.

The gov't allows the person to now drink.

Person A then decides that, because it is legal to drink, it is no longer dangerous and thus drives around hammered.

Is that logical? That is what you are saying. If a person is responsible, it doesn't matter if it is legal for them to drink or not... they won't do it. If they are irresponsible, it doesn't matter if the legal age is 18, 21, or 25, they will get behind the wheel and be stupid. It won't make a significant difference in the number of people drinking and driving was the point that ark was saying.

And of Person A is responsible enough to drink underage, [s]he won't get caught. So why decrease the age to help out the irresponsible ones that can't handle it to begin with?

Hey guys, I'm 18, let's go buy some liquor!

Most 18 to 25 year olds don't make decisions with possible consequences in mind.

(04-23-2014 03:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:19 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why can't we aspire to be like those countries.

Many of those countries are great places to live with great opportunities.
What separates usa is a billy bad ass high tech military.

Not true. Ever been to Bogata? It's lax liberal laws, class warfare and corruption that have turned places like that into violent, drug fueled hell holes.

Actually Columbia is much much better than what it used to be, a train wreck fueled by the drug cartels and kidnappings. I have a couple of GFs in Cartagena, in the North. Been there 3 times, no problems, stay in nice area
and you are fine. Columbian chicas are light years more hot than American women. They want you to slap that and pull their hair, be nasty.

but that does not address how it got to be the way it is...even if there have been improvements. Liberal societies collapse. You know this man. Mexico is another fine example.

(04-23-2014 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The issue regarding teens turning to other and more accessible drugs like pills is indeed very real

I have a nephew, 20, and this is what I hear also.

(04-23-2014 03:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

Quote:Personal responsibility makes more sense to me.

Apparently you agree with me, and don't want to acknowledge that fact, since you didn't answer my question.

I did. Making more laws in this country does not prevent things. Teaching personal responsibility does.

(04-23-2014 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The issue regarding teens turning to other and more accessible drugs like pills is indeed very real

So, since they can't have alcohol at the age of 18, they're teaching us a lesson by taking pills and other drugs?

Sorry man, I'm just not buying it.

(04-23-2014 03:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:19 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why can't we aspire to be like those countries.

Many of those countries are great places to live with great opportunities.
What separates usa is a billy bad ass high tech military.

Not true. Ever been to Bogata? It's lax liberal laws, class warfare and corruption that have turned places like that into violent, drug fueled hell holes.

Actually Columbia is much much better than what it used to be, a train wreck fueled by the drug cartels and kidnappings. I have a couple of GFs in Cartagena, in the North. Been there 3 times, no problems, stay in nice area
and you are fine. Columbian chicas are light years more hot than American women. They want you to slap that and pull their hair, be nasty.

but that does not address how it got to be the way it is...even if there have been improvements. Liberal societies collapse. You know this man. Mexico is another fine example.

Mexico is much different than Columbia and other S. American countries, it is also Central America (no that it matters). Socialist - Commy like Chavez indeed ruin it all, as in Venez. Chile was like that 30 years until a military coup got that commy out of there. Know anything about Santiago Chile?
Amazing place.

(04-23-2014 03:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

Quote:Personal responsibility makes more sense to me.

Apparently you agree with me, and don't want to acknowledge that fact, since you didn't answer my question.

I did. Making more laws in this country does not prevent things. Teaching personal responsibility does.

Uh that is just not true. Getting alcohol was much harder for me before I turned 21.

So what John is saying is that he wants anarchy with education.

Dixie I picture you being the mom from that movie Detroit rock city lol. But in all seriousness this should be a states rights issue I was buying alcohol when I was old enough to make a fake ID around 15 so the law really only puts alcohol on a pedestal for sheltered children imho. When you take aura away from it you probably have a much more mature young adult population as a whole. But this is a logic VS religion/emotion/morality issue so we all know nothings gonna happen imho

(04-23-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Uh that is just not true. Getting alcohol was much harder for me before I turned 21.

I had no shortage of people willing to buy me alcohol underage. Women get it even easier.

Anyone who thinks the drinking age keeps the underage from drinking should visit Oxford (or really any party school) on a weekend. Works so well.

(04-23-2014 03:31 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am getting the feeling we have some Baptist posters here.

Nope. I'm Methodist. It's just common sense to me.

18 years olds, drinking and clubs is a bad idea. It was a bad idea when we tried it the first time and it is still a bad idea.

Humans do not fully form rational decision making skills until they are in their mid twenties.

Unfortunately, a drinking age is not really a solution. How much 18-21 year old binge drinking do we have? Up to 40% of college students. How many 18-21 year olds die in alcohol related incidents? Lots.

Common sense should tell you that you need to try something that stops that rather than be satisfied with something that isn't just because it is simple to grasp.

(04-23-2014 03:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Dixie I picture you being the mom from that movie Detroit rock city lol. But in all seriousness this should be a states rights issue I was buying alcohol when I was old enough to make a fake ID around 15 so the laws really only puts alcohol on a pedestal for sheltered children imho. When you take aura away from it you probably have a much more mature young adult population as a whole. But this is a logic VS religion/emotion/morality issue so we all know nothings gonna happen imho

This is not a rational argument. Fake IDs do not shore up the underage drinkers who cannot buy alcohol on their own.

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am getting the feeling we have some Baptist posters here.

Southern Baptist here, and while I may sound hypocritical when I say that at the age of 18, I was going to my GF's house and drinking beer after church every Sunday, I'll also say that I knew the consequences of what would happen if I got caught, so I was always responsible and never drove home until I wasn't intoxicated anymore. I don't think Baptists are as hard up about things like this as you think. We'd get out of church service and light a cigarette as soon as we got outside.

(04-23-2014 03:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

Quote:Personal responsibility makes more sense to me.

Apparently you agree with me, and don't want to acknowledge that fact, since you didn't answer my question.

I did. Making more laws in this country does not prevent things. Teaching personal responsibility does.

Word

(04-23-2014 03:40 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am getting the feeling we have some Baptist posters here.

Southern Baptist here, and while I may sound hypocritical when I say that at the age of 18, I was going to my GF's house and drinking beer after church every Sunday, I'll also say that I knew the consequences of what would happen if I got caught, so I was always responsible and never drove home until I wasn't intoxicated anymore. I don't think Baptists are as hard up about things like this as you think. We'd get out of church service and light a cigarette as soon as we got outside.

I am really teasing some, and I think there might be differences across the country. When I was 18 or 17, never touched alcohol on Sunday. 100% study and prepare for Monday at school. I drank on many Fri-Sat though.

Quote:As a libertarian, I support the decriminalization of marijuana, but there are many problems with pot. From my observation, pot may be great for jazz musicians and Beat poets, but it saps energy and will-power and can produce physiological feminization in men. Also, it is difficult to measure the potency of plant-derived substances like pot. With brand-name beer or liquor, however, purchased doses have exactly the same strength and purity from one continent to another, with no fear of contamination by dangerous street additives like PCP.

Camille Paglia strikes again!

(04-23-2014 03:38 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:31 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am getting the feeling we have some Baptist posters here.

Nope. I'm Methodist. It's just common sense to me.

18 years olds, drinking and clubs is a bad idea. It was a bad idea when we tried it the first time and it is still a bad idea.

Humans do not fully form rational decision making skills until they are in their mid twenties.

Unfortunately, a drinking age is not really a solution. How much 18-21 year old binge drinking do we have? Up to 40% of college students. How many 18-21 year olds die in alcohol related incidents? Lots.

Common sense should tell you that you need to try something that stops that rather than be satisfied with something that isn't just because it is simple to grasp.

So by your logic legalization will end binge drinking and save lives.

and I guess you also want me to believe that is why you want the age lowered. You are just a concerned hero.