I like a cold beer as much as the next person....

I even agree with an 18 year old drinking age.

I do think their needs to be reasonable restrictions on alcohol sales. Mainly, because alcohol does have some negative effects on society that need to be mitigated.

(04-23-2014 02:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Are you a libertarian?

I'm for individual liberties. Of course, we've had this debate before and you always say I'm a Democrat because anyone who thinks the current Republican party has lost its way has to be a Democrat.

Then you reinforce my view that libertarians are just illogical liberals. I didn't ask you about the Republican party.

(04-23-2014 02:12 PM)supertiger Wrote:  I like a cold beer as much as the next person....

I even agree with an 18 year old drinking age.

I do think their needs to be reasonable restrictions on alcohol sales. Mainly, because alcohol does have some negative effects on society that need to be mitigated.

So do all intoxicants.

(04-23-2014 02:13 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then you reinforce my view that libertarians are just illogical liberals. I didn't ask you about the Republican party.

You say it in every other thread where this comes up. You don't have to say it any more, we all know that you want to run everyone's life in your fundamentalist Christian way.

(04-23-2014 02:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:13 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then you reinforce my view that libertarians are just illogical liberals. I didn't ask you about the Republican party.

You say it in every other thread where this comes up. You don't have to say it any more, we all know that you want to run everyone's life in your fundamentalist Christian way.

Are you drunk right now?

(04-23-2014 02:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I know 18 year olds perfectly capable of drinking responsibly. I know 50 year olds who have never, and cannot now, do it.

You know, I hear you people make silly comments like that and talk about freedom and liberty, but IMO you are doing nothing more than aiding the left in the dumbing down of our country.

We get it. You like drugs and alcohol and think everyone regardless of age should indulge.

You know zero about me. Your attempt to dismiss what I have to say with your made up fantasy of what you want me to be is SOP.

What I don't like are idiots passing feel-good moralistic laws and disregarding all of the unintended consequences that follow from them.

Far too much governing based on feelings and emotions and dogma in the country than on reason and data.

If I remember Texas lowered its drinking age but raised it again after they found out it wasn't working.

(04-23-2014 02:18 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I know 18 year olds perfectly capable of drinking responsibly. I know 50 year olds who have never, and cannot now, do it.

You know, I hear you people make silly comments like that and talk about freedom and liberty, but IMO you are doing nothing more than aiding the left in the dumbing down of our country.

We get it. You like drugs and alcohol and think everyone regardless of age should indulge.

You know zero about me. Your attempt to dismiss what I have to say with your made up fantasy of what you want me to be is SOP.

What I don't like are idiots passing feel-good moralistic laws and disregarding all of the unintended consequences that follow from them.

Far too much governing based on feelings and emotions and dogma in the country than on reason and data.

Listen to the absurdity behind your statements. This is news to you like it is news to me. You automatically go into your libertarian rant about "moralistic laws" as if the 21 year old age restriction is new and oppressive to you freedom. As if you have been just livid and outraged at this new oppression being dolled out by the stifling govt that has you shackled a God damned concentration camp. Have some freaking respect for our youth for Christ sake. We have alcohol laws for a reason and they aren't to trample on your liberty.

You don't know crap about 18 year olds that are responsible enough to drink. This is just more dumbing down our culture with drugs and alcohol and calling it liberty.

(04-23-2014 02:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Are you drunk right now?

Must be because I actually tried to engage in any kind of discussion with you... it always ends up being full of nothing but lunacy from your side because of your beliefs in telling everyone how to run their lives.

(04-23-2014 02:22 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If I remember Texas lowered its drinking age but raised it again after they found out it wasn't working.

Yeah, they kinda got tired of all the drunk 18 year olds plowing their cars into people.

(04-23-2014 02:12 PM)supertiger Wrote:  I like a cold beer as much as the next person....

I even agree with an 18 year old drinking age.

I do think their needs to be reasonable restrictions on alcohol sales. Mainly, because alcohol does have some negative effects on society that need to be mitigated.

I think you are better off keeping the drinking age at 18 and making it contingent until 21 on attending the equivalent of "concealed carry" classes for alcohol use. With the privilege being suspended for 3 full years for anyone violating any alcohol/intoxicant law between those ages. Sort of training wheels for responsible use.

That will never fly of course, but it would encourage responsible use....instead of encouraging law-breaking like now.

Please dude. The case of drunk driving accidents would double. Most 18 year olds are still in High School. Get a grip on reality.

(04-23-2014 02:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You don't know crap about 18 year olds that are responsible enough to drink. This is just more dumbing down our culture with drugs and alcohol and calling it liberty.

Yet, in this country, we have the highest percentage of 18 year olds binge drinking in the world. Prohibiting them from drinking at a younger age is obviously doing the job it was designed to do.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...eaths.html

Maybe we should rethink some of these old laws and see if we can stop making these actions "cool". Kids in Europe grow up knowing how to handle/respect their alcohol instead of getting smashed and doing stupid things.

If alcohol is the root of America's social problems, maybe we should ratify a constitutional amendment to ban it...

(04-23-2014 02:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Please dude. The case of drunk driving accidents would double. Most 18 year olds are still in High School. Get a grip on reality.

For that to be true there would have to be that number who are obeying the 18 age limit that would suddenly not obey the DUI law.

Either that or the people currently breaking the age law who are obeying the DUI law would suddenly stop obeying the DUI law when it became legal for them to drink.

Neither scenario seems to make sense.

(04-23-2014 02:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If alcohol is the root of America's social problems, maybe we should ratify a constitutional amendment to ban it...

We did then didn't. 18TH AND 21ST AMENDMENTs

(04-23-2014 02:24 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Are you drunk right now?

Must be because I actually tried to engage in any kind of discussion with you... it always ends up being full of nothing but lunacy from your side because of your beliefs in telling everyone how to run their lives.

He's just giving his opinion. Is there a problem with that? You both go at it all the time. You probably sit and wait for him to post.

(04-23-2014 02:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If alcohol is the root of America's social problems, maybe we should ratify a constitutional amendment to ban it...

We did then didn't. 18TH AND 21ST AMENDMENTs

(04-23-2014 02:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:18 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I know 18 year olds perfectly capable of drinking responsibly. I know 50 year olds who have never, and cannot now, do it.

You know, I hear you people make silly comments like that and talk about freedom and liberty, but IMO you are doing nothing more than aiding the left in the dumbing down of our country.

We get it. You like drugs and alcohol and think everyone regardless of age should indulge.

You know zero about me. Your attempt to dismiss what I have to say with your made up fantasy of what you want me to be is SOP.

What I don't like are idiots passing feel-good moralistic laws and disregarding all of the unintended consequences that follow from them.

Far too much governing based on feelings and emotions and dogma in the country than on reason and data.

Listen to the absurdity behind your statements. This is news to you like it is news to me. You automatically go into your libertarian rant about "moralistic laws" as if the 21 year old age restriction is new and oppressive to you freedom. As if you have been just livid and outraged at this new oppression being dolled out by the stifling govt that has you shackled a God damned concentration camp. Have some freaking respect for our youth for Christ sake. We have alcohol laws for a reason and they aren't to trample on your liberty.

You don't know crap about 18 year olds that are responsible enough to drink. This is just more dumbing down our culture with drugs and alcohol and calling it liberty.

This makes a lot of sense... People below 21 thinking they're victims of oppression because of the drinking age, weed smokers feeling like the victim of the law, etc... You weren't oppressed before, you're not oppressed now. What you have to do is stand in line and wait for your 21st birthday like the rest of us did or drink underage at your own risk. Same with marijuana. Smoke it at your own risk and be ready for the consequences if you're stupid enough to get busted with it.

(04-23-2014 02:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:22 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If I remember Texas lowered its drinking age but raised it again after they found out it wasn't working.

Yeah, they kinda got tired of all the drunk 18 year olds plowing their cars into people.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing it pushed up to 25 y/o.