(04-23-2014 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 01:09 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:45 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If the P5 threatened to leave, the rest of the D-1 should do the same now and be prepared to do just that. There is no longer the fear of being left without the P5, if this passes its already done. The have nots of D-1 have nothing to lose by setting out on their own. Create a new governing body, new tournaments, new rules that allow us to do what we have the means to do without limiting others that can follow suit if they choose too. If we have no recourse but to watch this pass, then why stay and do so? To what end?

A separate G5 would not have to beat them. Just carve out a niche that makes more than they make now.

Rule changes that reward success on the field no matter who you are and pooling TV contracts for leverage.

Main benefit being that you can do anything you want without having to worry about protecting their advantages.

This of course would be a last resort.

The G5 need to cooperate and unify or get steamrolled.

The G5 will get steamrolled whether they are united or divided. The only hope is to be included in some way with the P5 when this actually becomes its own subdivision in a few years. Any separate G5 stand alone division will just be received by the general public as the new FCS. Hell, you would probably end up with a bunch of current FCS schools in any new G5 division---so that would just solidify the perception that its just FCS in the minds of the press and casual fans.

Right now, the best the G5 can hope for is to modify the existing proposal to make any changes adopted by the P5 "permissive" (meaning any G5 conference can adopt them if they wish). I'd like to see the elimination of weighted voting as well, since there is no real reason for the P5 to have weighted voting if they have autonomy over their 5 conferences.

Agree. The American needs to look out for itself. If that involves plunging a knife into the backs of the other G5 members in order to get the American included with the P5, so be it.

We already tried that. When the new playoff system was being hammered out, Aresco, after having failed to secure us an AQ position with the Access Bowls, then tried to get us a bigger cut of the money than the other G5 conferences. Fail.

We don't have the "brands" that the contract bowls were looking for. Its sad, but true. I knew we had no chance at a contract bowl. I'm not sure why you thought we did.

He may have tried to get us a bigger cut of the playoff money, but why would the other G5 conferences agree to that?

(04-23-2014 07:30 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  How old is Aresco, when can he retire? He is milking the AAC for a high salary and not delivering.

Buddy, move along. We all know that Louisville hit the lottery. Congrats. I don't think anybody here is impressed with you as you are yourself.

(04-23-2014 08:42 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 01:09 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  A separate G5 would not have to beat them. Just carve out a niche that makes more than they make now.

Rule changes that reward success on the field no matter who you are and pooling TV contracts for leverage.

Main benefit being that you can do anything you want without having to worry about protecting their advantages.

This of course would be a last resort.

The G5 need to cooperate and unify or get steamrolled.

The G5 will get steamrolled whether they are united or divided. The only hope is to be included in some way with the P5 when this actually becomes its own subdivision in a few years. Any separate G5 stand alone division will just be received by the general public as the new FCS. Hell, you would probably end up with a bunch of current FCS schools in any new G5 division---so that would just solidify the perception that its just FCS in the minds of the press and casual fans.

Right now, the best the G5 can hope for is to modify the existing proposal to make any changes adopted by the P5 "permissive" (meaning any G5 conference can adopt them if they wish). I'd like to see the elimination of weighted voting as well, since there is no real reason for the P5 to have weighted voting if they have autonomy over their 5 conferences.

Agree. The American needs to look out for itself. If that involves plunging a knife into the backs of the other G5 members in order to get the American included with the P5, so be it.

We already tried that. When the new playoff system was being hammered out, Aresco, after having failed to secure us an AQ position with the Access Bowls, then tried to get us a bigger cut of the money than the other G5 conferences. Fail.

We don't have the "brands" that the contract bowls were looking for. Its sad, but true. I knew we had no chance at a contract bowl. I'm not sure why you thought we did.

He may have tried to get us a bigger cut of the playoff money, but why would the other G5 conferences agree to that?

It was Aresco's job to make that argument to support his proposal that we get more money. Obviously, it didn't go over very well.

(04-23-2014 09:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:42 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 01:09 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The G5 will get steamrolled whether they are united or divided. The only hope is to be included in some way with the P5 when this actually becomes its own subdivision in a few years. Any separate G5 stand alone division will just be received by the general public as the new FCS. Hell, you would probably end up with a bunch of current FCS schools in any new G5 division---so that would just solidify the perception that its just FCS in the minds of the press and casual fans.

Right now, the best the G5 can hope for is to modify the existing proposal to make any changes adopted by the P5 "permissive" (meaning any G5 conference can adopt them if they wish). I'd like to see the elimination of weighted voting as well, since there is no real reason for the P5 to have weighted voting if they have autonomy over their 5 conferences.

Agree. The American needs to look out for itself. If that involves plunging a knife into the backs of the other G5 members in order to get the American included with the P5, so be it.

We already tried that. When the new playoff system was being hammered out, Aresco, after having failed to secure us an AQ position with the Access Bowls, then tried to get us a bigger cut of the money than the other G5 conferences. Fail.

We don't have the "brands" that the contract bowls were looking for. Its sad, but true. I knew we had no chance at a contract bowl. I'm not sure why you thought we did.

He may have tried to get us a bigger cut of the playoff money, but why would the other G5 conferences agree to that?

It was Aresco's job to make that argument to support his proposal that we get more money. Obviously, it didn't go over very well.

If you were the president of a contract bowl would you sign the AAC over any of the other P5 conferences? Be honest.

Of course it didn't go over well. He was outnumbered 4-1 in that situation.

The whole premise of the OP is wrong, b/c Aresco has not been silent. I've heard or read him in more than a dozen interviews make the point that the AAC belonged with the P5 conferences. Maybe he's doing all he can, maybe he isn't, but who knows? Point is, he has NOT been silent.

(04-23-2014 08:42 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  We already tried that. When the new playoff system was being hammered out, Aresco, after having failed to secure us an AQ position with the Access Bowls, then tried to get us a bigger cut of the money than the other G5 conferences. Fail.

We don't have the "brands" that the contract bowls were looking for. Its sad, but true. I knew we had no chance at a contract bowl. I'm not sure why you thought we did.

Bingo. That sums up our entire standing in the new playoff / bowl structure.

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(04-23-2014 07:30 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  How old is Aresco, when can he retire? He is milking the AAC for a high salary and not delivering.

If we get hit with no ties to the p5 and little option to advance up, we should just officially break away and form a new league. Just combine the MWC with the AAC and maybe a few c-usa schools. Then have our own playoff and Basketball tourney.

(04-23-2014 10:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The whole premise of the OP is wrong, b/c Aresco has not been silent. I've heard or read him in more than a dozen interviews make the point that the AAC belonged with the P5 conferences. Maybe he's doing all he can, maybe he isn't, but who knows? Point is, he has NOT been silent.

On the autonomy/governance structure issue, he has been totally silent. Show me an article where he discussed this. (And not a generic article talking about how good the AAC is, but specifically this topic).

(04-22-2014 12:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  You were lucky to keep the BCS bid.

No we weren't. Contract did not expire until this year.

I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Exactly. It seems like the consensus is that he should stand on the train tracks and get run over just so everyone can say he tried.

(04-23-2014 11:11 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Exactly. It seems like the consensus is that he should stand on the train tracks and get run over just so everyone can say he tried.

That's not my opinion, but I sure hope he's working the back channels to ensure that however this happens it doesn't put the AAC at an even greater competitive disadvantage. If there's nothing that can be done then IMO he should start being very loud and public in his disagreement with it. Probably wouldn't help, but it would be better than sitting silent if in fact there's nothing that can be done.

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

He has zero chance of making that happen. The ink is practically dry. there is very little that could change on this front. Aresco would have to be a Neinas-esque salesman, the kind who can convince a TV network to pay more for less content, and we all know he wasn't able to do that.

(04-23-2014 11:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:11 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Exactly. It seems like the consensus is that he should stand on the train tracks and get run over just so everyone can say he tried.

That's not my opinion, but I sure hope he's working the back channels to ensure that however this happens it doesn't put the AAC at an even greater competitive disadvantage. If there's nothing that can be done then IMO he should start being very loud and public in his disagreement with it. Probably wouldn't help, but it would be better than sitting silent if in fact there's nothing that can be done.

(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

Ah the "I am a whiny baby commissioner" defense.

Eggcellent

(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

There is so much wrong with this post... but I'm going to choose not to engage. What Aresco accomplished has been well documented on other theads. We get that you hate him, and feel a pathologic need to repeat yourself ad nauseam...

Reminds me of partisan politics. Blame your political opponent for everything wrong in the country, and acknowledge none of his accomplishents. In real life Quo might be a spokesman for either the Republican or Democrat party... would explain much.

(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

What commissioner do you think could lose six football schools and keep AQ status? What commissioner do you think could lose six schools and get a better TV deal?

(04-23-2014 01:46 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

What commissioner do you think could lose six football schools and keep AQ status? What commissioner do you think could lose six schools and get a better TV deal?

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