Best players are leaving, all star coach gone, and games played in fox sports 1. What was the nBE thinking?

Top to Bottom the AAC can still improve. UCF is among the basketball teams that needs to make major strides in the coming years. Once Donnie shakes of the NCAA penalties, UCF will be back on track to building a decent program.

(04-19-2014 06:38 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:31 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:18 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 05:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 05:03 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  So, Butler didn't go to back-to-back championship games? Villanova, Georgetown, and Marquette didn't all go to Final Fours in the past dozen years?

Butler is back to being a mid major that nobody has heard of.

Butler right now since Brad Stevens took the Celtics job is losing players left and right...it is getting bad in Indianapolis...

Bulter is already rotten and forgotten. Quickest rise and fall that I can remember. Fox sports 1 was the final nail. The rest of the nBE gets zero marketing from March to November to make this worse. The nBE is turning into a train wreck.

Yup. 4 Butler players now transferring out. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...r-transfer

Stevens was Butler. Without him...good luck.

The A-10 while getting less $$$ at least has a presence on 3 Major Networks in CBS, NBC Sports and the ESPN Platforms...people can and will actually see their games....

(04-19-2014 06:52 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Top to Bottom the AAC can still improve. UCF is among the basketball teams that needs to make major strides in the coming years. Once Donnie shakes of the NCAA penalties, UCF will be back on track to building a decent program.

UCF will be moving up if you follow Florida high school basketball. We got really lucky landing BJ Taylor because he completely took off after his verbal. He might end up being Mr Basketball for Florida and he is one of the few finalists. We have Chad Brown verbal in 2015 from Deltona who also might be one of the best players in the state. We can get really cooking if we can sprinkle a few more of these guys.

I have no doubts UCF is on the rise. We have our last year of the NCAA penalties coming.

(04-19-2014 03:14 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Lunardi doesn't take kindly to having been wrong.

It is the Committee that erred and not him despite his primary role is predicting the picks of the Committee.

I have never heard fans of a conference try to argue that they're better before, by saying that they're bottom tier teams are the best (lol), until I looked at the NBE board. Rofl. Nobody gives a $h!t about your "bottom"!! Those teams are sitting home just like all the other conference cellar dwellers.

Every time I read stuff like this I can't help but think we might all had fault Aresco was an idiot at the time when he sold the Big East name and hell maybe he just got lucky but it seems rebranding was definitely the right thing to do.

(04-19-2014 06:38 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:31 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:18 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 05:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 05:03 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  So, Butler didn't go to back-to-back championship games? Villanova, Georgetown, and Marquette didn't all go to Final Fours in the past dozen years?

Butler is back to being a mid major that nobody has heard of.

Butler right now since Brad Stevens took the Celtics job is losing players left and right...it is getting bad in Indianapolis...

Bulter is already rotten and forgotten. Quickest rise and fall that I can remember. Fox sports 1 was the final nail. The rest of the nBE gets zero marketing from March to November to make this worse. The nBE is turning into a train wreck.

Yup. 4 Butler players now transferring out. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...r-transfer

Stevens was Butler. Without him...good luck.

Give me a break, Butler made 11 NCAA Tournaments, 3 Sweet 16's and 2 national championship games in 15 seasons under 4-5 different coaches, all of them very successful except perhaps one. If you want to talk about one coach programs, look at DePaul, Houston, Gonzaga (TBD) and UNLV (to a lesser extent).

Butler is more like Tulsa or Memphis if anything.

The idea that Marquette forced Buzz Williams out is laughable and is typical of Melky's say anything to defend the new Big East (and it's inevitably demise into an A10 like league). Buzz was loved up at Marquette and had many 3 straight runs to the NCAA second weekend. His loss for Marquette is enormous and may really hurt one of the league's best programs.

(04-20-2014 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The idea that Marquette forced Buzz Williams out is laughable and is typical of Melky's say anything to defend the new Big East (and it's inevitably demise into an A10 like league). Buzz was loved up at Marquette and had many 3 straight runs to the NCAA second weekend. His loss for Marquette is enormous and may really hurt one of the league's best programs.

Yep. He did not like the AD, but was golden with all the fans and money guys. I saw somewhere the major breaking point for him was the TV contract. It was killing recruiting, and other schools used it against them. Recruits don't care how much money a school gets annually. You will see more nBE coach's leave. It says a lot when a coach of that caliber goes to Va Tech.

(04-19-2014 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 05:59 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Think any of them want to come back? Would you take them? Who?

You guys had a great year, we had a bad year, but no, nobody wants to go back.

You'd all love to go back... to 1985 the last time most of you were relevant.

(04-20-2014 03:11 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 05:59 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Think any of them want to come back? Would you take them? Who?

You guys had a great year, we had a bad year, but no, nobody wants to go back.

You'd all love to go back... to 1985 the last time most of you were relevant.

^ Exactly...



Requiem For The Big East (part 1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7DkE8c4gJ0

Requiem For The Big East (part 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mplGhk2Sd7M

Requiem For The Big East (part 3): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rkWuqc4gKg

Requiem For The Big East (part 4): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXTDgZKtMs

Requiem For The Big East (part 5): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUjxeIO0nE

Requiem For The Big East (part 6): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_rslVCdsdk

Requiem For The Big East (part 7): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWIfucfPqUI

GO TO 15:03 OF PART SEVEN TO SEE THE FINAL EPILOGUE!!

(04-20-2014 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The idea that Marquette forced Buzz Williams out is laughable and is typical of Melky's say anything to defend the new Big East (and it's inevitably demise into an A10 like league). Buzz was loved up at Marquette and had many 3 straight runs to the NCAA second weekend. His loss for Marquette is enormous and may really hurt one of the league's best programs.

You don't know what you're talking about. Regardless of how much he was loved by the fans, he had conflicts with the administration, which were well documented in numerous media sources. No one leaves a job to take a pay cut of 3/4 million dollars voluntarily.

(04-20-2014 02:46 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The idea that Marquette forced Buzz Williams out is laughable and is typical of Melky's say anything to defend the new Big East (and it's inevitably demise into an A10 like league). Buzz was loved up at Marquette and had many 3 straight runs to the NCAA second weekend. His loss for Marquette is enormous and may really hurt one of the league's best programs.

Yep. He did not like the AD, but was golden with all the fans and money guys. I saw somewhere the major breaking point for him was the TV contract. It was killing recruiting, and other schools used it against them. Recruits don't care how much money a school gets annually. You will see more nBE coach's leave. It says a lot when a coach of that caliber goes to Va Tech.

Killing recruiting? The Big East just had a banner year recruiting. If you've got a source about the TV contract, link it.

(04-19-2014 08:43 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I have never heard fans of a conference try to argue that they're better before, by saying that they're bottom tier teams are the best (lol), until I looked at the NBE board. Rofl. Nobody gives a $h!t about your "bottom"!! Those teams are sitting home just like all the other conference cellar dwellers.

NCAA TOURNAMENT WINS BY CONFERENCE (2014-15 Membership) PAST 10 YEARS

115 - ACC
93 - Big Ten
78 - SEC
74 - Big XII
61 - PAC-12
57 - Big East
41 - American
23 - A10
14 - WCC
14 - MVC
13 - MWC

No one else with more than 4.

(04-19-2014 03:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting take from Joe Lunardi...underachievers are Big XII & ACC...SMU got screwed and the BIG EAST has issues:

B12 never deserved that many bids in the first place. Perfect example of manipulating a system. I called that they'd drop like flies as soon as I saw the bracket. Put 7 teams in the dance and the best you get is 2 in the sweet 16 with one getting blown out. That's pretty ******.

(04-20-2014 10:41 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  NCAA TOURNAMENT WINS BY CONFERENCE (2014-15 Membership) PAST 10 YEARS

115 - ACC
93 - Big Ten
78 - SEC
74 - Big XII
61 - PAC-12
57 - Big East
41 - American
23 - A10
14 - WCC
14 - MVC
13 - MWC

No one else with more than 4.

That's entirely irrelevant. What's important is that statistic from this year forward. Certain programs that were big dogs in other conferences are now bottom feeders in their new conferences (like Butler). And certain programs that were bottom feeders in other conferences are now big dogs in their new conferences (like SMU).

The landscape has changed significantly since the split. Temple was the flagship of the same conference the NBE poached Xavier and Butler from. However, Temple had a down year last year (missing the tourney for the first time in years) due to attrition. However, this year they are set up to bounce back.

Both UCONN and SMU have already caused other programs to raise their games. No way Houston and Tulsa spend the money they did on coaches, if it were not for the success of Larry Brown and Kevin Ollie. The rising tides of the AAC has raised the expectations of the other programs.

Meanwhile, the NBE is losing major coaching talent left and right, with the departures of Buzz Williams and Brad Stevens. You don't just rebound from losing that level of coaching talent. The affect of FS1 has put a stranglehold on the NBE. OTOH, many AAC programs are getting more exposure than they've ever gotten (which surpasses the exposure of the NBE).

A lot has changed.

Why does every beast fan bring up when they had 3 of 4 teams in the final four? Yet no one ever says who the 4th team was!! Well guess what guys that team is also in the AAC and that team was MEMPHIS!!!!!!. So this conference has history.

(04-21-2014 12:04 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  Why does every beast fan bring up when they had 3 of 4 teams in the final four? Yet no one ever says who the 4th team was!! Well guess what guys that team is also in the AAC and that team was MEMPHIS!!!!!!. So this conference has history.

You're counting Memphis? That final four was vacated, which means that it doesn't count.

(04-20-2014 11:00 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 10:41 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  NCAA TOURNAMENT WINS BY CONFERENCE (2014-15 Membership) PAST 10 YEARS

115 - ACC
93 - Big Ten
78 - SEC
74 - Big XII
61 - PAC-12
57 - Big East
41 - American
23 - A10
14 - WCC
14 - MVC
13 - MWC

No one else with more than 4.

That's entirely irrelevant. What's important is that statistic from this year forward. Certain programs that were big dogs in other conferences are now bottom feeders in their new conferences (like Butler). And certain programs that were bottom feeders in other conferences are now big dogs in their new conferences (like SMU).

The landscape has changed significantly since the split. Temple was the flagship of the same conference the NBE poached Xavier and Butler from. However, Temple had a down year last year (missing the tourney for the first time in years) due to attrition. However, this year they are set up to bounce back.

Both UCONN and SMU have already caused other programs to raise their games. No way Houston and Tulsa spend the money they did on coaches, if it were not for the success of Larry Brown and Kevin Ollie. The rising tides of the AAC has raised the expectations of the other programs.

Meanwhile, the NBE is losing major coaching talent left and right, with the departures of Buzz Williams and Brad Stevens. You don't just rebound from losing that level of coaching talent. The affect of FS1 has put a stranglehold on the NBE. OTOH, many AAC programs are getting more exposure than they've ever gotten (which surpasses the exposure of the NBE).

A lot has changed.

What's important is that statistic from this year forward? We don't know what that statistic going forward. Any statement about what lies ahead is pure speculation.

What's relevant about the NCAA wins list is that it rebuts comments in this thread that the BIG east has to harken back to the 19's and Patrick Ewing to find a period of success. The list refutes that.

SMU is now a big dog? They didn't even make the tournament this year. Some big dog.

Butler had one down heat and now their program is on the rocks? They went to the tournament just a year ago and validated that bid by winning a game in that tournament.

All you're doing about SMU and Butler. SMU hasn't accomplished anything yet and butler has a long record of success under multiple coaches that can't be overturned by one down year. Certainly not by your speculation.

Butler is now a "bottom feeder" after one year, but Temple is all set to bounce back? Great theory. Unfortunately temple isn't bringing in any substantial upgrade in talent while the Big East is loading up on top 100 recruits. More baseless speculation on your part. Temple is in serious trouble.

The Big East is in trouble because they're "losing coaches", but Tulsa loses their coach and that's cause for claiming they'll be better? And due to "raising their game" to spend money on a new coach when they haven't invested any more than Manning would have been getting? Laughable. They aren't spending any more than Marquette did for their new hire. So, where's the advantage?

Your final claim that schools can't rebound from losing a high level of coaching talent is the most absurd of all. UConn lost the biggest coaching talent of all a year and a half ago when Calhoun retired. Kevin Ollie proved that you can rebound from losing that level of talent. Meanwhile Marquette hasn't't lost a Calhoun level of talent. Actually the administration had grown tired of Buzz's act and greased the skids for his departure. I'll wait and see how the new coaches actually do rather than putting my faith in your wild speculation.

Meanwhile the facts speak for themselves. The Big East has the 6the most tournament wins over the past decade. They are bringing in 13 recruits from the ESPN top 100. All of the pieces are in place for them to continue the success they've had for decades. Meanwhile the AAC is bringing in 4 recruits from that same ESPN top 100 list.