(04-16-2014 07:44 PM)CyberBull Wrote: (04-16-2014 02:50 PM)pesik Wrote: (04-16-2014 02:33 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (04-16-2014 02:21 PM)pesik Wrote: (04-16-2014 02:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: I will answer the questions later, but this is false. USF should be bowling more like 90-100% of the time, and WERE bowling basically every year under Leavitt in the old Big East. No reason USF shouldn't be bowl eligible each and every year. This "should" be an attainable goal every year.
i said "under taggart" and explained why. not that "usf" in general couldn't get that way
I disagree with you, becasue whatever you think about Taggart or his offensive system (which will be vastly improved this year, BTW), he is recruiting better than every other non P5 program. He should contend for access bowl on talent alone in a couple years. if not, then he did not utilize his talent.
should have been competing on talent alone this year. on paper preason last year you had top 10 national dline, multiple 4star wr's, and running backs on your team and he still managed to have the largest fbs/fcs blowout in ncaa history.
i think usf will be improved next year and even more the future years, but talent will only carry you so much in football, coachng is key and taggart hasn't shown he can do anything besides at best mediocre teams
If you are a Houston fan stick with analyzing your team b/c you don't know much about USF.
1. Football is a QB driven game and USF didn't have a QB.
2. Holtz didn't leave any playmakers on offense b/c he recruited so poorly.
3. Majority of Existing OL was recruited and trained to run the spread and incompatible with the Power O.
4. That top 10 on paper DL wasn't injured from the onset. Gidden's played the last 2 years with a bad shoulder and the highly touted ND tDE transfer was a major bust and played when he wanted to play and coat himself a lot of money.
5. The defensive secondary featured 3-4 true freshman for the last 5 games of the season.
6. In fact over 16 true frosh/ redshirt freshmen started last year. This was not a quick turnaround job if you are to build the program's foundation the right way.
7. Taggart program is a complete culture change than what we had with Leavitt and Holtz. Especially on offense. Biggest improvement in this type of PowerO system are in 2nd and third year...especially when it's a complete rebuilding job he inherited.
8. If you bashed every new head coach after his first year then most coaches would be in your line of fire. George O'Leary was 0-17 when he started and for most of his career at UCF was remarkably mediocre or inconsistent at best. Now GOL is suddenly everyone's darling 11 years after getting hired and enduring several scandals.
9. Taggart won at WKU using the same formula and with lesser talent and enduring a winless first season.
10. USF is recruiting better than its ever had and the competiton level has dropped. I like our chances to finish in the upper half of the conference and depending on QB play will have a chance for championships.
alright, if you want to do this, lets do this
1) you could argue your team was qb driven if you ran a pass first offense, you run a stanford offense which isnt the qb driven, stanford still scored points and succeeded the year after luck left on subpar qb play, that offense is built around the run and motion. and your "qb driven thing" is BS your offense was horrific, you didnt score a td in half your games, if you want to blame that solely on qb play (in a non qb driven offense and put nothing on the coach calling the plays that's your prerogative)
2) shaw was a play maker, davis was a 4star, sean price was a 4 star TE, not even counting the other 2 4star WRs that were on the team when the season started. and you had tons of players makers on defense explain to me how a fcs team was running out the clock on you with 6 minutes to go (in the largest fcs/fbs blowout in history, it could have been worse and they scored on you while running every play to be merciful) or are we blaming that on qb play aswell? and not putting that on taggart?
3) incapable? you werent running a true spread under holtz to begin with, its not like they were running a true uptempo under holtz and they had a completely change everything. your OL was filled with 3stars and 4stars players, high school kids come in all the time and start as freshman in a completely different system than they played in high school but your oline full of highly touted recruits are incapable of learning a new system?
4) "played when he wanted to play" isn't that on the coach not to allow that??
5) goodwin is the only starting freshman in your secondary (and he only started 2 of the last 5) and the only other freshman to start was childs and that was only for 2 games because joyce was injured.
6) the young excuse is weak. the vast majority of our league played young, usf had more upperclassman than half the teams in our league
7) ill accept that but in the end this was a dramatically worse season than holtz ever had and holtz never lost to an fcs at usf
8) im not bashing him, i just said that everyone has been overhyping him and he's honestly shown no signs of producing elite teams (yet), oleary had atleast shown he could coach at GT (im not impressed with the 7-5 sunbelt teams). and i said earlier i see him producing some bowl teams, i just haven't seen anything that indicates elite. especially since he calls the offense and that was beyond horrific last year, even for a transitioning team
9) 7-5 in the sunbelt isn't that impressive and if 7-5 seasons is the aspiration for usf, then i could see taggart achieving that, i thought we were arguing about a coach that can bring usf top 25 teams (please spare me the speech about how taggart turned around wku from 0-12 with fcs recruits playing fbs, to 7-5 in the sunbelt after he had gotten fbs recruits)
10) its coaching that matters, talent gives you a head start in the race, and a good qb gets you a little further but its coaching that gets you across the finish line. look at arkansas when they had petrino with tyler wilson they were competing for a national championship (in a qb driven offense), the almost exact same team without petrino but still having wilson was 4-8 the next year, same argument with auburn last year
the no talent on usf excuses is weak, your recruit ranking the last 4 years completely disagree with that statement. the no qb excuse is still weak, tons of teams have been successful with bad qb play.
ill accept the excuse holtz didnt develop them, sure. and that he instilled in them a culture of losing, sure. but alot of blame for last season completely falls on taggart (most of it). he didn't have the team ready for game 1, his offense didn't score 1 td in half your games and he runs the offense (at one point you have to make adjustments to put your team in a better position to win, aka how cincy completely switched offensive philosophies after they began to struggle). and he was talking conference championship weeks before the season which makes me question his own ability to evaluate his team and see where they are (fuentes at memphis told the media memphis had ways to go and it was going to take more than 1 season and gave fair evaluation of his team) we'll see what happens when the team is full of his recruits and ill eat crow if im wrong, but to me all this taggart talk is all "hope" and based on recruit rankings and little to do with what he has proven on the field
