(04-18-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:12 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  The "for Now" tells me that he thinks the AAC is a major basketball conference. Tulsa won't be a mid-major as of July 1st.

+1.

Let's face it, calling C-USA a mid-Major in basketball at this point is being kind. The American Conference, on the other hand, is clearly a MAJOR basketball power.

As much as I'm sure there are probably some negative feelings toward the ACC, I'd like to see a formal scheduling agreement between the ACC and AAC - maybe so many football games and so many basketball games.

At any rate, I'm sure there will be plenty of AAC/ACC match-ups in the NCAA tournament.

You sir are a good neighbor and are welcome to future BBQ's

(04-18-2014 11:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:31 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  hes a troll with a paycheck

There are worse fates in life.

Being a troll without a paycheck.

(04-18-2014 11:48 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:10 AM)BE4evah Wrote:  This is where Aresco can really make an impact. The P5 schools (and commissioners) already have attempted to differentiate themselves. The Power Five, the reference to the voting rights weighting, etc. Perception can quickly overcome past reality.

It is in the interests of the P5 schools to perpetuate it. They will nurture it as much as possible. The members of the press I always think are more lazy than possessed of evil intent.

To Goodman's credit, he replied with an explanation. Also, most journalists covering college sports if asked, "Is Tulsa basketball a major or mid-major program?" would say "mid-major". What the P5 wants is when asked of a school like Cincy,Memphis, Temple etc. the reply would be "relatively successful programs in a mid-major conference". Goodman unwittingly is carrying the water of Bowlsby and Swofford when he wrote what he did. Let's see if others do, and when they do, try to correct them.

Is that you Melky Cabrera???

Nope.

But, nice try.

(04-18-2014 08:51 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:46 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  It's hard to call a conference like this a power conference. It has some power programs for sure, but the league as a whole is not a power conference.

That's not what he said. Goodman said that he was referring to CUSA as the mid-major; not the AAC. (he just didn't want to acknowledge Tulsa was in the AAC yet)

Your NBE agenda smells, Melky.

My "Big East agenda"???

You're the self-titled "Big East Homer".

(04-18-2014 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:12 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  The "for Now" tells me that he thinks the AAC is a major basketball conference. Tulsa won't be a mid-major as of July 1st.

+1.

Let's face it, calling C-USA a mid-Major in basketball at this point is being kind. The American Conference, on the other hand, is clearly a MAJOR basketball power.

As much as I'm sure there are probably some negative feelings toward the ACC, I'd like to see a formal scheduling agreement between the ACC and AAC - maybe so many football games and so many basketball games.

At any rate, I'm sure there will be plenty of AAC/ACC match-ups in the NCAA tournament.

lol, would have to agree with you about C-USA.

I don't know about football scheduling agreement- just the ACC with the SEC opponents and Notre Dame- plus then in general 1 FCS games- leaves some of the ACC schools with little/no flexibility. But, basketball could easily see it.

I know many ACC teams are trying to 'upgrade' their schedules to where they play 10 P5 teams (8 ACC + 2 OOC P5s), 1 FCS and 1 G5 - so there will always be room for at least 14 games between the ACC and AAC.

As it stands now, several ACC teams (including VT and Miami this season) are playing 2 G5 teams (VT: ECU, W Mich; Miami: Ark. St, Cincinnati). It seems like half the ACC is playing ECU this year.

(04-18-2014 02:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:12 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  The "for Now" tells me that he thinks the AAC is a major basketball conference. Tulsa won't be a mid-major as of July 1st.

+1.

Let's face it, calling C-USA a mid-Major in basketball at this point is being kind. The American Conference, on the other hand, is clearly a MAJOR basketball power.

As much as I'm sure there are probably some negative feelings toward the ACC, I'd like to see a formal scheduling agreement between the ACC and AAC - maybe so many football games and so many basketball games.

At any rate, I'm sure there will be plenty of AAC/ACC match-ups in the NCAA tournament.

lol, would have to agree with you about C-USA.

I don't know about football scheduling agreement- just the ACC with the SEC opponents and Notre Dame- plus then in general 1 FCS games- leaves some of the ACC schools with little/no flexibility. But, basketball could easily see it.

I know many ACC teams are trying to 'upgrade' their schedules to where they play 10 P5 teams (8 ACC + 2 OOC P5s), 1 FCS and 1 G5 - so there will always be room for at least 14 games between the ACC and AAC.

As it stands now, several ACC teams (including VT and Miami this season) are playing 2 G5 teams (VT: ECU, W Mich; Miami: Ark. St, Cincinnati). It seems like half the ACC is playing ECU this year.

Actually only playing 2 ACC teams this year. We played 3 last year (VT, UNC, and NC State -- going 2-1)

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

(04-18-2014 02:24 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

I'm sure national title contender SMU for 2015 would beg to differ Mr. Troll.

(04-18-2014 02:24 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

With the exception of HALF the league the AAC is a mid-major? Couldn't you say that about every single P5 conference? What is the SEC after UF and UK?

(04-18-2014 02:24 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

Look --- Look --- Look, a troll spouting BS troll-sense

(04-18-2014 08:54 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I guess the ACC isn't a major football conference. Its only one year. The national championship doesn't mean anything.

So what would you say about UConn and the American?

(04-18-2014 02:26 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 02:24 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

I'm sure national title contender SMU for 2015 would beg to differ Mr. Troll.

NIT (Not In Tournament) runner-up, hardly translates into national title contender, but hey, ecwho fans have never seen good bball unless they were watching UNC or Duke. LOL! Your team is an absolute JOKE.

(04-18-2014 02:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:54 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I guess the ACC isn't a major football conference. Its only one year. The national championship doesn't mean anything.

So what would you say about UConn and the American?

It was sarcasm.

(04-18-2014 02:44 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 02:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:54 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I guess the ACC isn't a major football conference. Its only one year. The national championship doesn't mean anything.

So what would you say about UConn and the American?

It was sarcasm.

OK... That does make sense... Thanks.

(04-18-2014 02:41 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 02:26 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 02:24 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

I'm sure national title contender SMU for 2015 would beg to differ Mr. Troll.

NIT (Not In Tournament) runner-up, hardly translates into national title contender, but hey, ecwho fans have never seen good bball unless they were watching UNC or Duke. LOL! Your team is an absolute JOKE.

Get over yourself, dude. You're just a fan. You act like you've played a part in Louisville being a good program.

(04-18-2014 02:41 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 02:26 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 02:24 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:08 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I just emailed Jeff Goodman about his reference to Tulsa as a Mid Major in his story about their hire of Frank Haith.

Subject: Tulsa isnt "Mid Major"; They play w/ UCONN in AAC

Jeff,

Your reference to Tulsa as Mid Major is dated. They no longer play in CUSA. Haith will be coaching against Kevin Ollie, Mick Cronin, Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, Josh Pastner, Fran Dunphy, etc.
That's not a Mid Major conference.

And here was his response...


ESPN -- GMail <goodmanespn@gmail.com> Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM
To: <-------@gmail.com>
They have yet to play a game in that league.

Still a mid-major -- for now.

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

You my friend are totally delusional. It is not a conference that determines your place in the pecking order, but rather what those teams do in ACTUAL competition. Except for Uconn, and UC, and maybe Temple and Memphis to a lesser extent, this entire conference is MID-MAJOR.

I'm sure national title contender SMU for 2015 would beg to differ Mr. Troll.

NIT (Not In Tournament) runner-up, hardly translates into national title contender, but hey, ecwho fans have never seen good bball unless they were watching UNC or Duke. LOL! Your team is an absolute JOKE.

Several NIT finalist/champions have springboarded that into long NCAA tourney runs the next year or two. I mean- Wichita St was NIT champs 3 years ago, and now look at them. Heck, VCU a few years ago won the CIT or CBI and followed that up with a final 4 run within 2 years.

Also, frankly I'd rather have been SMU this year over Xavier or Iowa(the teams that lost in the PIG this year). 4 extra games and getting all that extra post-season experience.

(04-18-2014 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:51 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:46 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  It's hard to call a conference like this a power conference. It has some power programs for sure, but the league as a whole is not a power conference.

That's not what he said. Goodman said that he was referring to CUSA as the mid-major; not the AAC. (he just didn't want to acknowledge Tulsa was in the AAC yet)

Your NBE agenda smells, Melky.

Makes more sense ---

What really stinks however, is that Tulsa's new coach will never coach a game in CUSA...so, in my mind he is an AAC hire.

Journalists for the most part...SUCK!

(04-18-2014 02:52 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:51 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:46 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  It's hard to call a conference like this a power conference. It has some power programs for sure, but the league as a whole is not a power conference.

That's not what he said. Goodman said that he was referring to CUSA as the mid-major; not the AAC. (he just didn't want to acknowledge Tulsa was in the AAC yet)

Your NBE agenda smells, Melky.

Makes more sense ---

What really stinks however, is that Tulsa's new coach will never coach a game in CUSA...so, in my mind he is an AAC hire.

Journalists for the most part...SUCK!

Agree. I think Tulsa joining a great basketball conference had a large influence on his decision.

(04-18-2014 08:46 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  This is what I think Goodman is saying --- One year does not 'make' a conference --- the AAC still has to earn it's long term creds as a major year in and out *conference* in basketball. Until then, just like in mid-major conferences, some of the associated will continue to be thought of as mid-major programs and others as majors. Certainly the AAC had a great basketball season in Year 1 --- but it's the next years that will 'establish' the AAC's reputation.

Agree.

Moreover, the AAC might be referred to as a "tweeter" because the top of the conference is made up of power programs.....

Wake me up when anyone calls the SEC or ACC Basketball a "tweeter".

(04-18-2014 11:56 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 08:12 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  The "for Now" tells me that he thinks the AAC is a major basketball conference. Tulsa won't be a mid-major as of July 1st.

+1.

Let's face it, calling C-USA a mid-Major in basketball at this point is being kind. The American Conference, on the other hand, is clearly a MAJOR basketball power.

As much as I'm sure there are probably some negative feelings toward the ACC, I'd like to see a formal scheduling agreement between the ACC and AAC - maybe so many football games and so many basketball games.

At any rate, I'm sure there will be plenty of AAC/ACC match-ups in the NCAA tournament.

You sir are a good neighbor and are welcome to future BBQ's

GREAT! Y'all can cook the cow and we can cook the pig!