(04-10-2014 08:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 11:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  The TV alliance serves to announce a differentiation and might get them better coverage than the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

I think they all made a mistake by sticking at 12. Looks like Sun Belt will have added 4 schools from FCS since the latest round of realignment and will have or will have brought up 6 of the 10 schools since 2009 (CUSA is bringing up ODU and UNCC and now has UTSA and former SB WKU-UMass is the 10th). They are splitting recruits, attention and money more ways. They should have killed the Sun Belt when they had the chance instead of sticking at 12 and bringing up schools with marginal additional value like ODU and UNCC (they really can't be much more valuable than an Arkansas St. or ULL).

Charlotte (we don't like the name UNCC) was an original member of CUSA. We're just coming back now that we have football (left CUSA for A10 years ago because we didn't have football). Glad to be back in a southern based conference. As far as CUSA letting us back, it's about the market now that we have football.

I think people under-rate relationships in realignment.

(04-09-2014 11:35 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 11:04 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 12:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 08:33 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  This type of better than thou attitude is what made everyone outside the old BE sick. Considering you asked a bunch of them to come and save your old conference, I would not be so picky. They backed out on you...

Reread my comments. I said nothing about being better or worse. I simply said that the number and location of the schools should mirror the national population---which is mostly east of the Rockies. Your comments are simply exposing your own prejudices and predispositions.

Couldn't really care less. Just bringing to your attention that the BE spent months trying to lure schools from the west to save your dying conference. What was different regarding the population of the western states back then and now? If you take a look at some of the most powerful schools in the country, like Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. are from what you like to label as low population centers... The MWC simply will not blow up their conference for any merger.

Wow....reading comprehension is your friend. Nobody said a thing about "population centers". I said population. The western population of the US makes up less than a third of the US population. Most of that is centered in California and Texas. The rest is in the eastern portion of the US--primarily east of the Mississippi. Take out a map and look at the locations of all the FBS colleges--they are largely east of the Rockies. My comment, playing off thread that SOMEONE ELSE started, was simply that the distribution of schools in a national G5 conference would likely mirror the population distribution. Please read, comprehend, and if you choose to respond, please try to post something mildly related to what I actually post instead of your garbled "interpretation" of my words.

I am truly amazed at your population vs. population centers comprehension argument, and fail to see much difference. You are hopelessly mincing words. The bottom line here is that the old BE tried to create this national conference two years ago and failed... from Boise State to UConn. The AAC, which I do hope, and believe will succeed, would be in no position to decide the rules and their preferences regarding any potential merger.

Disagree, who would be in a better position
to decide the rules regarding a merger? The ACC with their Bcs bowl victory, and the home of the reigning men's and woman's basketball champs, or the Mwc, with their accomplishments over the last year which consist of ?????? IMHO this is a moot point as aresco has already recently indicated we are not interested in adding more teams to the AAC at this point.

(04-10-2014 08:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 11:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  The TV alliance serves to announce a differentiation and might get them better coverage than the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

I think they all made a mistake by sticking at 12. Looks like Sun Belt will have added 4 schools from FCS since the latest round of realignment and will have or will have brought up 6 of the 10 schools since 2009 (CUSA is bringing up ODU and UNCC and now has UTSA and former SB WKU-UMass is the 10th). They are splitting recruits, attention and money more ways. They should have killed the Sun Belt when they had the chance instead of sticking at 12 and bringing up schools with marginal additional value like ODU and UNCC (they really can't be much more valuable than an Arkansas St. or ULL).

Charlotte (we don't like the name UNCC) was an original member of CUSA. We're just coming back now that we have football (left CUSA for A10 years ago because we didn't have football). Glad to be back in a southern based conference. As far as CUSA letting us back, it's about the market now that we have football.

Then just change it. Having unc in front of Charlotte gives yall more credibility.

(04-10-2014 11:31 AM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 11:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  The TV alliance serves to announce a differentiation and might get them better coverage than the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

I think they all made a mistake by sticking at 12. Looks like Sun Belt will have added 4 schools from FCS since the latest round of realignment and will have or will have brought up 6 of the 10 schools since 2009 (CUSA is bringing up ODU and UNCC and now has UTSA and former SB WKU-UMass is the 10th). They are splitting recruits, attention and money more ways. They should have killed the Sun Belt when they had the chance instead of sticking at 12 and bringing up schools with marginal additional value like ODU and UNCC (they really can't be much more valuable than an Arkansas St. or ULL).

Charlotte (we don't like the name UNCC) was an original member of CUSA. We're just coming back now that we have football (left CUSA for A10 years ago because we didn't have football). Glad to be back in a southern based conference. As far as CUSA letting us back, it's about the market now that we have football.

Then just change it. Having unc in front of Charlotte gives yall more credibility.

Unfortunately, our current chancellor isn't in favor of changing the name. An official name change will be a grassroot alumni/student led process just like starting football was. It will actually probably be more difficult than starting football. We'll have to wait for the next chancellor to tackle that. Why our current chancellor wants us associated name wise in any way with those cheaters down in Chapel Hill I'll never know.

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

BYU doesn't need the AAC so it won't move. Fact is BYU is more valuable than the AAC, not in gross dollars of course when compared to the entire conference but BYU is bigger than any AAC program by a long shot. It may be worth 3 to 4 programs.

I don't see any variation of the AAC that could make $8-$10 million dollars per program to entice BYU to make the move. Maybe the AAC could provide $4-$5 million per program but that will only come about if the American is regularly playing in an Access Bowl and bring 4-5 teams per year to the NCAA Tourney.

(04-10-2014 08:52 PM)Waterloo Wrote:  BYU doesn't need the AAC so it won't move. Fact is BYU is more valuable than the AAC, not in gross dollars of course when compared to the entire conference but BYU is bigger than any AAC program by a long shot. It may be worth 3 to 4 programs.

I don't see any variation of the AAC that could make $8-$10 million dollars per program to entice BYU to make the move. Maybe the AAC could provide $4-$5 million per program but that will only come about if the American is regularly playing in an Access Bowl and bring 4-5 teams per year to the NCAA Tourney.

Its about eyeballs. If any G5 conference starts getting the ratings that command 8-10 million, they will get 8-10 million. Its not likely to happen, but if it did---it certainly wouldn't happen overnight.

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

(04-11-2014 08:39 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

Eventually getting a weak schedule will have an effect on BYU football.It appears that the 2016 football schedule is harder to get from P5 schools.
Would the AAC give BYU a ND a ACC deal for 5 games,I think so.Having the Army Navy game as part of a tv package would be helpful to the AAC .

(04-11-2014 08:39 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

Absolutely. But even those old guys understand that a power conference raises the BYU sports profile---perhaps even a G5 conference might under the right circumstances. Any conference would have to accept that BYU would not play on Sunday and agree to allow BYU to replay games on BYUtv. In fact, if a conference is willing to completely sell out to BYU, they can be had. BYU publically stated they would have joined the AAC if allowed to keep their media rights. Maybe the conference that gets BYU will be the conference thats willing to completely swallow thier pride. Since giving up media rights erodes much of the value of having BYU I doubt it happens. Like I said, I think BYU stays Indy until offered by a P5.

(04-08-2014 03:14 PM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  Would you guys be interested in
This setup and what do you think this could get for a nbc sports deal?

Boise
Fresno state
San Diego state
Unlv
New Mexico
CSU
Air Force
BYU(Utah St. if BYU declines)


Uconn
Smu
Houston
Cincinnati
Ucf
Usf
Army
Navy

Absolutely not, we're doing just fine on our own.

This makes no sense, a coast to coast conference couldn't get off the ground for a reason. The American is structured exactly like the comparable Mountain West and it works just fine.

(04-11-2014 08:39 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

Not totally true. Here's what BYU’s AD said regarding a possible split occurring:

"Right now, independence works for us. It is good. But in the event that there is a split in college football, where you have that ones that come over here [gestures], and the ones that go over there -- and that would mean Division I splits, we got to be on the ones, with the big boys. We gotta be over there [gestures again].

And right now, as an independent, we are not in the Big Five [conferences]. So we are going to do everything that we can to position ourselves for the time when that happens, or if that happens. And that's important to us, because BYU football is a big part of college football....”

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsbyuspo...e.html.csp

(04-11-2014 09:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 08:39 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

Absolutely. But even those old guys understand that a power conference raises the BYU sports profile---perhaps even a G5 conference might under the right circumstances. Any conference would have to accept that BYU would not play on Sunday and agree to allow BYU to replay games on BYUtv. In fact, if a conference is willing to completely sell out to BYU, they can be had. BYU publically stated they would have joined the AAC if allowed to keep their media rights. Maybe the conference that gets BYU will be the conference thats willing to completely swallow thier pride. Since giving up media rights erodes much of the value of having BYU I doubt it happens. Like I said, I think BYU stays Indy until offered by a P5.

No P5 conference is going to give into BYU.
The ACC has ND for 5 games.
The AAC could make some type arrangement but needs something for it.
Maybe the ESPN people could help out.

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership.

And "worthy" means more useful in BYU's evangelizing mission than independence, which given their current media contract is awful hard.

As the AD is quoted as saying (downthread of your comment, upthread of this reply), if Division 1 splits, BYU will try to do what is required to stay on the Power conference side of the divide. Right now, that's the only thing that looks like it would move BYU to seek to go in-conference on terms that a conference would accept.

Maybe in another ten years time the media landscape will have changed and conference direct distribution of sporting events will become more important than TV contracts, but so long as TV contracts are the big deal in media profile, its hard to beat what BYU has, in terms of what BYU wants.

In short, BYU already has what it wants most, and its not going to give that away if it doesn't have to. A necessary concession to stay on the Power conference football side of a boundary would count as "have to" in that, but little else would.

Army doesn't have the same mission as BYU, but its also got a quite distinctive mission compared to most college football programs. At the moment, there's no clear reason presented to suggest that joining with a "Best of the Rest" conference built by the American tearing itself apart and then tearing the MWC apart would serve either mission.

(04-11-2014 11:58 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership.

And "worthy" means more useful in BYU's evangelizing mission than independence, which given their current media contract is awful hard.

As the AD is quoted as saying (downthread of your comment, upthread of this reply), if Division 1 splits, BYU will try to do what is required to stay on the Power conference side of the divide. Right now, that's the only thing that looks like it would move BYU to seek to go in-conference on terms that a conference would accept.

Maybe in another ten years time the media landscape will have changed and conference direct distribution of sporting events will become more important than TV contracts, but so long as TV contracts are the big deal in media profile,

In short, BYU already has what it wants most, and its not going to give that away if it doesn't have to. A necessary concession to stay on the Power conference football side of a boundary would count as "have to" in that, but little else would.

Army doesn't have the same mission as BYU, but its also got a quite distinctive mission compared to most college football programs. At the moment, there's no clear reason presented to suggest that joining with a "Best of the Rest" conference built by the American tearing itself apart and then tearing the MWC apart would serve either mission.

The Fresno St. Alum Moderator posted a link where BYU states independence was temporary or something along those lines. I do remember that his post was directed towards Arkstfan and another member.

If you read this Fresno St. Alum Moderator, please provide that link again if you can….

Thank you!

(04-11-2014 10:25 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 08:39 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  What the AAC needs is Army and BYU for football only along with Navy.Certainly SD st ,Boise would also be great for football only.

The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

Not totally true. Here's what BYU’s AD said regarding a possible split occurring:

"Right now, independence works for us. It is good. But in the event that there is a split in college football, where you have that ones that come over here [gestures], and the ones that go over there -- and that would mean Division I splits, we got to be on the ones, with the big boys. We gotta be over there [gestures again].

And right now, as an independent, we are not in the Big Five [conferences]. So we are going to do everything that we can to position ourselves for the time when that happens, or if that happens. And that's important to us, because BYU football is a big part of college football....”

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsbyuspo...e.html.csp

The AD at BYU does not make any decisions about conference alignment. No one in Provo has that authority. BYU will be independent until the church elders decide otherwise.

(04-11-2014 12:58 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 10:25 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 08:39 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 07:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The American may need that ... why would either Army or BYU want that?

An awful lot of Go5 realignment suggestions are a case of "I don't want to be the member of any club that admits people like me."

Realistically, BYU is going to be indy until a P5 asks them or until some G5 conference becomes prominent enough to be viewed as "worthy" of BYU's membership. If a G5 managed to get to 8-10 million in media earnings, good exposure, and a couple of solid bowls to go along with the cluster crappy bowls---BYU might entertain joining.

The old men in Salt Lake City who make the decisions don't give a damn about being in a P5 conference or being in a "worthy" G5 conference. BYU football is just one small part of the mission to spread the word of the LDS church to them. They believe they get far more value out of their ESPN contract and replaying games on the church's network than they would get from conference membership.

Not totally true. Here's what BYU’s AD said regarding a possible split occurring:

"Right now, independence works for us. It is good. But in the event that there is a split in college football, where you have that ones that come over here [gestures], and the ones that go over there -- and that would mean Division I splits, we got to be on the ones, with the big boys. We gotta be over there [gestures again].

And right now, as an independent, we are not in the Big Five [conferences]. So we are going to do everything that we can to position ourselves for the time when that happens, or if that happens. And that's important to us, because BYU football is a big part of college football....”

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsbyuspo...e.html.csp

The AD at BYU does not make any decisions about conference alignment. No one in Provo has that authority. BYU will be independent until the church elders decide otherwise.

BYU's AD must have been told by a reliable source about BYU’s alternative goal (if a split occurs) to make such a public comment or he was straight lying.....

(04-11-2014 01:08 PM)Underdog Wrote:  BYU's AD must have been told by a reliable source about BYU’s alternative goal (if a split occurs) to make such a public comment or he was straight lying.....

Or have been told some faction in the leadership would be receptive to that argument, so decided to plant the seed.