(04-04-2014 03:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  3) "Big East" is a much better name than "AAC" or "the American", both of which sound generically G5.

LMAO! You were the one saying that we shouldn't keep the name.

IIRC, I said the C7 had the greater moral claim to the name, since those schools had been in the Big East, on average, much longer than had the AAC schools. But in any event, "Big East" is a better name than "AAC". It just is.

The AAC name is completely generic and hasn't done anything for us in terms of public relations. Nothing. It doesn't harm us, but it is just a bland name that doesn't establish any kind of identity. It's like C-USA.

LMAO!!

You are on a roll!!!

I am very happy we have the name we do. I will leave it at that. The $$$ is a very nice bonus.

By the way, WHAT CONFERENCE NAME ISN'T GENERIC?

In 1980, "Big East" was not generic. The name reflected the aspirations of the schools involved, to prove to the country that there was some serious, BIG-time basketball being played in the EAST/North EAST part of the country, and the name did an admirable job of conveying that, much like "Big East Homer" instantly connotes the most moronic poster on this forum.

Even names like the SEC and PAC at least convey the geographic, and hence cultural, character of those conferences.

"American Athletic Conference" is just insipid. Every college conference is an 'American athletic conference'. The name conveys absolutely nothing about its members nor helps the the conference establish an identity. It is just three vapid words.

(04-04-2014 06:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  "American Athletic Conference" is just insipid. Every college conference is an 'American athletic conference'. The name conveys absolutely nothing about its members nor helps the the conference establish an identity. It is just three vapid words.

I beg to differ. The word American describes a distinct system that harkens to a progressive industrial nation. As such, the formation of our conference around major media markets invokes a democratic identity that denotes connectivity.

As for the words "big" and "east", we could file those elementary words next to black cat, see-spot-run, goo-goo ga-ga... Those words don't express a great deal in terms of identity.

I thought you said you had a phd... and complex words befuddle you??

(04-04-2014 06:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  In 1980, "Big East" was not generic. The name reflected the aspirations of the schools involved

LMAO.. How does big and east (size and direction) reflect aspirations? If it invokes aspirations, then its obvious that those aspirations are nothing unique given the MYRIAD of other conferences that have BIG in the name.

Ohhh we aspire to be like everybody else... My friend, you are a card.

The league was okay in football, better in basketball. I agree with others who were disappointed in the home crowds of some of the schools when we had away games. The BE itself had lost a lot of its original feel once it expanded with schools like VT, Miami and Rutgers; then later with the first wave of CUSA teams. I still don't feel like USF is a BE team, for instance. I'm more likely to just watch UConn as a fan and not care much about who our opponents are anymore.

Branding: Hate the American name and commercials.

New BE: They found out quickly who was carrying the old BE all those years, they are on the fast track to a death struggle with the A10.

(04-04-2014 06:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 03:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  3) "Big East" is a much better name than "AAC" or "the American", both of which sound generically G5.

LMAO! You were the one saying that we shouldn't keep the name.

IIRC, I said the C7 had the greater moral claim to the name, since those schools had been in the Big East, on average, much longer than had the AAC schools. But in any event, "Big East" is a better name than "AAC". It just is.

The AAC name is completely generic and hasn't done anything for us in terms of public relations. Nothing. It doesn't harm us, but it is just a bland name that doesn't establish any kind of identity. It's like C-USA.

LMAO!!

You are on a roll!!!

I am very happy we have the name we do. I will leave it at that. The $$$ is a very nice bonus.

By the way, WHAT CONFERENCE NAME ISN'T GENERIC?

In 1980, "Big East" was not generic. The name reflected the aspirations of the schools involved, to prove to the country that there was some serious, BIG-time basketball being played in the EAST/North EAST part of the country, and the name did an admirable job of conveying that, much like "Big East Homer" instantly connotes the most moronic poster on this forum.

Even names like the SEC and PAC at least convey the geographic, and hence cultural, character of those conferences.

"American Athletic Conference" is just insipid. Every college conference is an 'American athletic conference'. The name conveys absolutely nothing about its members nor helps the the conference establish an identity. It is just three vapid words.

Kind of like the name "Where are you going?" Brilliant.

On FB and BB, this had to succeed most any AAC fan. Yes, the depth is a problem, but that was to be expected with the teams leaving. The conference still won the BCS bowl and have a good chance at the winner of the NCAA BB tournament.

I can't answer what it feels being in the OBE, but that is a moot point considering the P5 moves to limit money and exposure to the AAC and the G5.

This is what the conference is and they seem to be doing well, even with the changes.

(04-04-2014 06:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 06:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  "American Athletic Conference" is just insipid. Every college conference is an 'American athletic conference'. The name conveys absolutely nothing about its members nor helps the the conference establish an identity. It is just three vapid words.

I beg to differ. The word American describes a distinct system that harkens to a progressive industrial nation. As such, the formation of our conference around major media markets invokes a democratic identity that denotes connectivity.

As for the words "big" and "east", we could file those elementary words next to black cat, see-spot-run, goo-goo ga-ga... Those words don't express a great deal in terms of identity.

I thought you said you had a phd... and complex words befuddle you??

The first paragraph might be the most ridiculous ever posted on this forum. The second is a strong challenger.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

(04-04-2014 08:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The first paragraph might be the most ridiculous ever posted on this forum. The second is a strong challenger.

Lmao! Quo, you are a "Big Douche".. Emphasis on the grande level of douchiness that you have mastered.

I have now graduated with a phd in your logic... combining your extremely simple-minded reasoning capabilities with grade school insults and hallucinations.

Fans of the former BE in the AAC have been hurt by being left behind and there is nostalgia for the old BE. If the AAC is successful, they will get over it to some degree. If not, it won't matter.

Fans of old SWC schools that were left out of the B12, still resent it.

(04-04-2014 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 08:07 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  With the first year of football/basketball play coming to an end:

1) Did the AAC's competitiveness meet, exceed, or fall below your expectations?

2) How does your experience rooting for a team in the AAC compare to your days in the Big East? This is a general question. I have been on these boards for five years (under pzz189) and recall the OBE having a similar struggle of fighting for respect from the other BCS conferences.

3) Do you guys miss the Big East branding? I personally have grown tired of the "American" gimmick and cartoonish A. The AAC acronym also doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as "Big East."

4) Are you happy to see the downfall of the Big East schools that packed up and left? The Johnnies might be facing their 4th or 5th transfer, Marquette's coach just left to go to the ACC for a paycut, and no Big East team made it past the Round of 32. Recruiting's dropped off for a few teams and the X and Butler additions have yet to make much of a difference. The FS1 ratings have been much lower than what was expected and they likely see a decrease in their TV deal at the time of contract renewal.

1) Competitiveness was about what I expected. I knew basketball and football would both be worse than the old Big East though basketball would still be a good league but football wouldn't, and both proved correct.

Dang...you couldn't even get thru one thought before the BS/spam/flame spewed.

In 2012, That "Big East Football" who you say the AAC couldn't match didn't even have one team ranked in the AP Top 10....and only had one team ranked in the AP Top 25.

In 2013, the AAC not only had a team ranked in the AP Top 10...AAC even had TWO teams ranked in the Top 15.

2013 AAC in its first year, easily out-performed the Big East in their 22nd football season.

(04-04-2014 10:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 08:07 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  With the first year of football/basketball play coming to an end:

1) Did the AAC's competitiveness meet, exceed, or fall below your expectations?

2) How does your experience rooting for a team in the AAC compare to your days in the Big East? This is a general question. I have been on these boards for five years (under pzz189) and recall the OBE having a similar struggle of fighting for respect from the other BCS conferences.

3) Do you guys miss the Big East branding? I personally have grown tired of the "American" gimmick and cartoonish A. The AAC acronym also doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as "Big East."

4) Are you happy to see the downfall of the Big East schools that packed up and left? The Johnnies might be facing their 4th or 5th transfer, Marquette's coach just left to go to the ACC for a paycut, and no Big East team made it past the Round of 32. Recruiting's dropped off for a few teams and the X and Butler additions have yet to make much of a difference. The FS1 ratings have been much lower than what was expected and they likely see a decrease in their TV deal at the time of contract renewal.

1) Competitiveness was about what I expected. I knew basketball and football would both be worse than the old Big East though basketball would still be a good league but football wouldn't, and both proved correct.

Dang...you couldn't even get thru one thought before the BS/spam/flame spewed.

In 2012, That "Big East Football" who you say the AAC couldn't match didn't even have one team ranked in the AP Top 10....and only had one team ranked in the AP Top 25.

In 2013, the AAC not only had a team ranked in the AP Top 10...AAC even had TWO teams ranked in the Top 15.

2013 AAC in its first year, easily out-performed the Big East in their 22nd football season.

The Big East had up and down seasons over the past 9 years, but overall, it was a much better football league than the AAC was last year.

As for 2012 vs 2013, in 2012 the Big East was ranked by Sagarin as the #5 conference with a 72.5 rating, which placed it ahead of the ACC.

In 2013, the AAC was the #6 conference, far behind all the P5, with a 65.1 Sagarin rating, and a little ahead of the MWC. The AAC was a significant drop down from the Big East, that was obvious to anyone who paid attention to the whole OOC season. We were basically awful OOC for almost the whole year.

(04-04-2014 10:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Big East had up and down seasons over the past 9 years, but overall, it was a much better football league than the AAC was last year.

As for 2012 vs 2013, in 2012 the Big East was ranked by Sagarin as the #5 conference with a 72.5 rating, which placed it ahead of the ACC.

In 2013, the AAC was the #6 conference, far behind all the P5, with a 65.1 Sagarin rating, and a little ahead of the MWC. The AAC was a significant drop down from the Big East, that was obvious to anyone who paid attention to the whole OOC season. We were basically awful OOC for almost the whole year.

Sagarin?????
BEATING THE BIG 12 CHAMPION IN THE BCS WITH AN AAC MAINSTAY, DURING OUR FIRST SEASON UNDER THE AAC BANNER, MADE THIS SEASON A GREATER SUCCESS PERCEPTION-WISE THAN ANY BIG EAST SEASON IN RECENT MEMORY.
That's not even up for debate.
The narrative that played out between UCF-Louisville-Cincinnati was one of the most entertaining photo finishes of the college football season.
Case closed.
Watching Blake Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater compete for the #1 pick, only continues the special year for AAC football.
Just because USF laid a turd doesn't mean the conference did. The programs that we were counting on to do the heavy lifting were clutch (your SEC was carried by two programs this year in roundball, quo... That's how it works sometimes). The national narrative surrounding the AAC has been quite refreshing.

(04-05-2014 01:21 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Big East had up and down seasons over the past 9 years, but overall, it was a much better football league than the AAC was last year.

As for 2012 vs 2013, in 2012 the Big East was ranked by Sagarin as the #5 conference with a 72.5 rating, which placed it ahead of the ACC.

In 2013, the AAC was the #6 conference, far behind all the P5, with a 65.1 Sagarin rating, and a little ahead of the MWC. The AAC was a significant drop down from the Big East, that was obvious to anyone who paid attention to the whole OOC season. We were basically awful OOC for almost the whole year.

Sagarin?????
BEATING THE BIG 12 CHAMPION IN THE BCS WITH AN AAC MAINSTAY, DURING OUR FIRST SEASON UNDER THE AAC BANNER, MADE THIS SEASON A GREATER SUCCESS PERCEPTION-WISE THAN ANY BIG EAST SEASON IN RECENT MEMORY.
That's not even up for debate.

Sagarin isn't perfect, but all the systems give similar ratings: The AAC football was clearly not as good as the Big East.

And perceptionwise, your "recent memory" must not go back all the way back to 2011, when West Virginia won a BCS bowl game and the Big East also finished ahead of the ACC in Sagarin and other ratings.

You can shout all you want, but the "perception" of the AAC this year was that we were a BAD football conference, because basically, we were, and the numbers show it. With the exception of UCF and Louisville, we were terrible OOC against credible competition, and with them we were still, overall, just plain bad.

And there is virtually no evidence that UCF's win has redounded to the greater glory of the AAC. It brought UCF some well-earned kudo's, but as a perception-changer for the AAC? Nothing, which should not surprise anyone. The Big East regularly won BCS bowl games, often shocking the champ of other AQ conferences, but the rest of the country looked down on us anyway.

And Louisville, who won 2 of the 6 games we won versus the P5, isn't even around going forward. They were our best OOC performer, and we lose them.

The old Big East REGULARLY was better than at least one, and often two, of the other Major, Big Boy, AQ conferences. The AAC? We were barely ahead of the MWC with Louisville, who we won't have going forward.

Wish us luck, because we're gonna need it.

(04-04-2014 10:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 08:07 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  With the first year of football/basketball play coming to an end:

1) Did the AAC's competitiveness meet, exceed, or fall below your expectations?

2) How does your experience rooting for a team in the AAC compare to your days in the Big East? This is a general question. I have been on these boards for five years (under pzz189) and recall the OBE having a similar struggle of fighting for respect from the other BCS conferences.

3) Do you guys miss the Big East branding? I personally have grown tired of the "American" gimmick and cartoonish A. The AAC acronym also doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as "Big East."

4) Are you happy to see the downfall of the Big East schools that packed up and left? The Johnnies might be facing their 4th or 5th transfer, Marquette's coach just left to go to the ACC for a paycut, and no Big East team made it past the Round of 32. Recruiting's dropped off for a few teams and the X and Butler additions have yet to make much of a difference. The FS1 ratings have been much lower than what was expected and they likely see a decrease in their TV deal at the time of contract renewal.

1) Competitiveness was about what I expected. I knew basketball and football would both be worse than the old Big East though basketball would still be a good league but football wouldn't, and both proved correct.

Dang...you couldn't even get thru one thought before the BS/spam/flame spewed.

In 2012, That "Big East Football" who you say the AAC couldn't match didn't even have one team ranked in the AP Top 10....and only had one team ranked in the AP Top 25.

In 2013, the AAC not only had a team ranked in the AP Top 10...AAC even had TWO teams ranked in the Top 15.

2013 AAC in its first year, easily out-performed the Big East in their 22nd football season.

The Big East had up and down seasons over the past 9 years, but overall, it was a much better football league than the AAC was last year.

So you want to pick and choose what years?

AAC has had just one...and it was WAY better than what the Big East put out in its last season (Top 10-15 rankings....only one Top 25 team in Big East in 2012).

Also, AAC will probably have 2 out of the first 3 QB's taken in the NFL Draft...can't recall the last time the Big East ever did that.

(04-04-2014 02:41 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 01:56 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  Thanks for the insight everyone.

I am surprised by the positive comments and how well many accept being in the league. On the other side, it's a little discouraging to see some Cincinnati fans view themselves as separate from the entity they've found themselves in.

Which UC fan said they feel separate from the AAC? The only thing I hvae read is that UC misses regional battles with UofL, Pitt and WVU. Those schools all share the Ohio River with UC and are within a reasonable driving distance for our fans. UC has played Louisville 53 times in football and over a hundred time in basketball. The cities of CIncinnati and Pittsburgh already have rivalries in pro sports and it kind of carried on in football. It is kind of hard to replace trophy games with teams a few hours away with schools that over 10 hours away.

I understand that. The sentiment here (and what I've read on the Cinxy board) seems to be to just focus on Cincinnati. I guess I took that to imply worrying less about the conference. The main concern going forward will be fostering rivalries. While they are mostly a natural thing, they don't necessarily have to correspond to geography. Look at the Eagles-Cowboys rivalry for example

(04-05-2014 07:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 08:07 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  With the first year of football/basketball play coming to an end:

1) Did the AAC's competitiveness meet, exceed, or fall below your expectations?

2) How does your experience rooting for a team in the AAC compare to your days in the Big East? This is a general question. I have been on these boards for five years (under pzz189) and recall the OBE having a similar struggle of fighting for respect from the other BCS conferences.

3) Do you guys miss the Big East branding? I personally have grown tired of the "American" gimmick and cartoonish A. The AAC acronym also doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as "Big East."

4) Are you happy to see the downfall of the Big East schools that packed up and left? The Johnnies might be facing their 4th or 5th transfer, Marquette's coach just left to go to the ACC for a paycut, and no Big East team made it past the Round of 32. Recruiting's dropped off for a few teams and the X and Butler additions have yet to make much of a difference. The FS1 ratings have been much lower than what was expected and they likely see a decrease in their TV deal at the time of contract renewal.

1) Competitiveness was about what I expected. I knew basketball and football would both be worse than the old Big East though basketball would still be a good league but football wouldn't, and both proved correct.

Dang...you couldn't even get thru one thought before the BS/spam/flame spewed.

In 2012, That "Big East Football" who you say the AAC couldn't match didn't even have one team ranked in the AP Top 10....and only had one team ranked in the AP Top 25.

In 2013, the AAC not only had a team ranked in the AP Top 10...AAC even had TWO teams ranked in the Top 15.

2013 AAC in its first year, easily out-performed the Big East in their 22nd football season.

The Big East had up and down seasons over the past 9 years, but overall, it was a much better football league than the AAC was last year.

So you want to pick and choose what years?

AAC has had just one...and it was WAY better than what the Big East put out in its last season

WTF? You chose the years, you decided to compare the AAC's one season with the Big East's last season, 2012.

And as I indicated in the rest of the post you snipped off, contrary to your claim, the Big East of 2012 was clearly a better football conference than was the AAC this past season.

(04-05-2014 08:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...... the Big East of 2012 was clearly a better football conference than was the AAC this past season.

"It's not a lie if you believe".

2012 Big East?

Not one team ranked in the AP Top 10?

Only one team ranked in the AP Top 25?

vs

UCF ranked in the AP Top 10

TWO teams ranked in the AP Top 15 (UCF & UL)

(04-05-2014 08:59 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...... the Big East of 2012 was clearly a better football conference than was the AAC this past season.

"It's not a lie if you believe".

2012 Big East?

Not one team ranked in the AP Top 10?

Only one team ranked in the AP Top 25?

vs

UCF ranked in the AP Top 10

TWO teams ranked in the AP Top 15 (UCF & UL)

There is no getting around the fact that the bottom half absolutely sucked. And it's not sour grapes - three of the bottom half were in the BE the prior year. Plus, one of those three beat us - soundly. So, I definitely have no right to really complain. But facts are facts nonetheless.

(04-05-2014 09:18 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:59 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...... the Big East of 2012 was clearly a better football conference than was the AAC this past season.

"It's not a lie if you believe".

2012 Big East?

Not one team ranked in the AP Top 10?

Only one team ranked in the AP Top 25?

vs

UCF ranked in the AP Top 10

TWO teams ranked in the AP Top 15 (UCF & UL)

There is no getting around the fact that the bottom half absolutely sucked. And it's not sour grapes - three of the bottom half were in the BE the prior year. Plus, one of those three beat us - soundly. So, I definitely have no right to really complain. But facts are facts nonetheless.

I wonder if Rutgers, UConn, USF, and Temple retained their Sagarin ratings from 2012 in 2013, how the 2013 AAC would compare to the 2012 Big East. Maybe someone can calculate that. It doesn't seem like the new schools dragged down the AAC too much. It was ironically mostly BE schools (USF, Temple, UConn)

(04-05-2014 09:25 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 09:18 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:59 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...... the Big East of 2012 was clearly a better football conference than was the AAC this past season.

"It's not a lie if you believe".

2012 Big East?

Not one team ranked in the AP Top 10?

Only one team ranked in the AP Top 25?

vs

UCF ranked in the AP Top 10

TWO teams ranked in the AP Top 15 (UCF & UL)

There is no getting around the fact that the bottom half absolutely sucked. And it's not sour grapes - three of the bottom half were in the BE the prior year. Plus, one of those three beat us - soundly. So, I definitely have no right to really complain. But facts are facts nonetheless.

I wonder if Rutgers, UConn, USF, and Temple retained their Sagarin ratings from 2012 in 2013, how the 2013 AAC would compare to the 2012 Big East. Maybe someone can calculate that. It doesn't seem like the new schools dragged down the AAC too much. It was ironically mostly BE schools (USF, Temple, UConn)

Well, we had a very bad loss to a very bad team, so again, I have no right to complain. Even though we finished 3rd, we contributed pretty significantly to it.