(04-03-2014 03:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 02:46 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Waiting on Eagle's response to redwingtom.....

Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread.

JD knew everything from good credit to exactly what features and attitudes a woman needed in order to last a lifetime with you, when he was 15. He probably already knew that you were going to write "Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread." in response to him, when he was 15, too.

Are we chasing me around thread to thread now?

(04-03-2014 02:46 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Waiting on Eagle's response to redwingtom.....

Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread.

My, you're a good little con aren't you. You get your ass thoroughly handed to you, but declare victory anyway. Nice!

P.S.: To those who didn't read the wood stove thread, our resident Newtown Massacre was an Obama conspiracy idiot, believes increasing standards on wood stove emissions is a plan by Obama to make "conservatives criminals" and to watch for "Domestic and Foreign hell to break lose. [sic]"

(04-03-2014 03:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My, you're a good little con aren't you. You get your ass thoroughly handed to you, but declare victory anyway. Nice!

P.S.: To those who didn't read the wood stove thread, our resident Newtown Massacre was an Obama conspiracy idiot, believes increasing standards on wood stove emissions is a plan by Obama to make "conservatives criminals" and to watch for "Domestic and Foreign hell to break lose. [sic]"

If you want to quote me, please do it accurately in the thread it was argued instead of running away like you're known for.

I'm glad Tom is here to tell us that Obama is not targeting, has not been targeting, and will not ever been targeting Conservatives for any reason whatsoever.

He is simply trying to turn the USA over to the UN, and the pesky Conservatives keep "clinging to their bibles and guns"[Obama]. No targeting though, especially in his last months of power.

(04-03-2014 03:04 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 03:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 02:46 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Waiting on Eagle's response to redwingtom.....

Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread.

JD knew everything from good credit to exactly what features and attitudes a woman needed in order to last a lifetime with you, when he was 15. He probably already knew that you were going to write "Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread." in response to him, when he was 15, too.

Are we chasing me around thread to thread now?

No no, don't get excited... I was responding to Falwell. It was a simple heads up to let him know how advanced you were about life and other things when you were 15.

(04-03-2014 03:45 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 03:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My, you're a good little con aren't you. You get your ass thoroughly handed to you, but declare victory anyway. Nice!

P.S.: To those who didn't read the wood stove thread, our resident Newtown Massacre was an Obama conspiracy idiot, believes increasing standards on wood stove emissions is a plan by Obama to make "conservatives criminals" and to watch for "Domestic and Foreign hell to break lose. [sic]"

If you want to quote me, please do it accurately in the thread it was argued instead of running away like you're known for.

I'm glad Tom is here to tell us that Obama is not targeting, has not been targeting, and will not ever been targeting Conservatives for any reason whatsoever.

He is simply trying to turn the USA over to the UN, and the pesky Conservatives keep "clinging to their bibles and guns"[Obama]. No targeting though, especially in his last months of power.

The words in quotes are your exact words. And sorry nutjob, but you're claiming the same idiotic conspiracy by Obama here as you did with the wood stoves, so sorry...it applies just fine here.

Lunatic.

(04-03-2014 03:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And sorry nutjob, but you're claiming the same idiotic conspiracy by Obama here as you did with the wood stoves, so sorry...it applies just fine here.

Lunatic.

You lie as bad if not worse as your sinister Cow Fart God, Chicago Jesus.

Redwingtom Wrote:Ohs no! The Cow Fart Prisondent has a 60% disapproval and we're going to lose Congress! Those darned hillbilly rednecks are going to PUT US BACK IN CHAIIIIINS Y'ALL!!!!

(04-03-2014 04:14 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

Redwingtom Wrote:Ohs no! The Cow Fart Prisondent has a 60% disapproval and we're going to lose Congress! Those darned hillbilly rednecks are going to PUT US BACK IN CHAIIIIINS Y'ALL!!!!

(04-03-2014 03:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 02:46 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Waiting on Eagle's response to redwingtom.....

Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread.

JD knew everything from good credit to exactly what features and attitudes a woman needed in order to last a lifetime with you, when he was 15. He probably already knew that you were going to write "Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread." in response to him, when he was 15, too.

JD is book smart but common sense dumb.

(04-03-2014 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 01:56 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Evidently some in this thread support this....

Wendt told the Washington Free Beacon that since she first spoke about her rising healthcare costs supporters of Obama’s signature law have deluged her with “hate mail,” dubbing her a “lying *****” and writing that “my children should be taken away.”

Evidently someone likes to assume...

But I'll take away any doubt for you.

Anyone who sends those types of messages to her is a disgusting vile POS. Those types of actions have no place in rational discourse on this topic.

Now, while I don't buy her arguments, I can respect that this is not an easy situation for her and is likely quite troublesome. That being said, it's pretty clear that she could save herself some money here. And I feel sorry for her as she's likely been misled by Republicans and her chosen media.

That's ripe "mislead by Repub". Nota single Repub. voted for it. and every democrat lied about it. Commietom, you need a new schtick. You are a damn lying clown.

Old man...time to hang it up. You just can't keep up.

She's being misled by Republicans who constantly insist that Obamacare has failed when it has just barely started. Misled by the Koch's and their minions who constantly tell her that she's going to pay more.

And I'm sorry, but the facts in this case...as well as in the Boonstra case...show that they would actually save money if they followed the provisions set out by the ACA.

This has NOTHING to do with who voted for the plan. Geez.

Commietom, it is not surprising that a liar such as yourself, can say, with that straight clown face, that Republicans misled this woman when your messiah Zero told the lie of the year. Keep blaming the GOP, chump.

(04-03-2014 06:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 03:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 02:46 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Waiting on Eagle's response to redwingtom.....

Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread.

JD knew everything from good credit to exactly what features and attitudes a woman needed in order to last a lifetime with you, when he was 15. He probably already knew that you were going to write "Maybe Eagle will respond when Tom responds to my dismantling of his agenda in the woodstove thread." in response to him, when he was 15, too.

JD is book smart but common sense dumb.

How so? My street smarts = pretty on point. I admit im an overspender and lousy at sit ups though...

(04-03-2014 01:56 PM)DragonLair Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And yet again, the story pretty much falls apart when you actually look at it objectively.

Will they ever stop trying?

Quote:Based on the Kaiser Family Foundation and HealthCare.gov results, a Michigan family of seven with the same profile could get a silver plan with the same coinsurance as the Wendt’s current plan, a monthly premium that would be roughly the same (somewhat less for the HMO and somewhat more for the PPO) and far less than the $10,000 annual deductible. Plus, such a family would be eligible for subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket expenses to around $3,000 — which could represent a significant savings since Shannon Wendt told MLive.com, a Michigan news website, that her family paid $10,000 in out-of-pocket expenses last year.

Of course, the silver plan also provides more benefits because it provides “essential benefits” and meets other requirements that Wendt’s old and current plan do not meet.

Misleading Anti-Obamacare Ad in Michigan

If you like your Doctor you can keep them, or IF you like your insurance you can keep it, Period.



Nothing on this? No response?

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Great, now everybody has health insurance. Oh, you mean they don't? Well, at least more people have health insurance than used to have it.

Now let's see if all that health insurance can buy any health care. Health insurance is not health care.

(04-03-2014 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 01:56 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Evidently some in this thread support this....

Wendt told the Washington Free Beacon that since she first spoke about her rising healthcare costs supporters of Obama’s signature law have deluged her with “hate mail,” dubbing her a “lying *****” and writing that “my children should be taken away.”

Evidently someone likes to assume...

But I'll take away any doubt for you.

Anyone who sends those types of messages to her is a disgusting vile POS. Those types of actions have no place in rational discourse on this topic.

Now, while I don't buy her arguments, I can respect that this is not an easy situation for her and is likely quite troublesome. That being said, it's pretty clear that she could save herself some money here. And I feel sorry for her as she's likely been misled by Republicans and her chosen media.

That's ripe "mislead by Repub". Nota single Repub. voted for it. and every democrat lied about it. Commietom, you need a new schtick. You are a damn lying clown.

Old man...time to hang it up. You just can't keep up.

She's being misled by Republicans who constantly insist that Obamacare has failed when it has just barely started. Misled by the Koch's and their minions who constantly tell her that she's going to pay more.

And I'm sorry, but the facts in this case...as well as in the Boonstra case...show that they would actually save money if they followed the provisions set out by the ACA.

This has NOTHING to do with who voted for the plan. Geez.

Right. By going on the dole. She clearly says exactly that, she isn't taking a hand out.

Quote:“We have always been really entrepreneurial and do it yourselfers … [so] that’s where we run into these problems with the increase because we don’t say, ‘Oh, who’s going to pay for this for us.’ We said, ‘We’re going to have to work a little harder, work a little smarter, and figure something out so our income can go up,’” she said.

So, for that, and for trying to instill that in her children she is threatened, called a liar, and by our own leftists, implied she's a buffoon that is easily lead by the nose like the left is.

So, yea, she is going to pay more. Period. Cause she refuses to take a handout from her neighbors kids mouths to put in her own. Nothing misleading about that.

I know that's a completely foreign concept to you utopian leftists, but it's not for this Family. We'd all be far better off with more people like her and far fewer who will lie straight to your face.

"Mislead by Republicans".

Now THAT'S a good one.

JD? Pretty sure I covered Tom the Red in this one. If not, have at it. The unintelligble response should be priceless. Kinda like zerOcare.

(04-03-2014 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And yet again, the story pretty much falls apart when you actually look at it objectively.

Will they ever stop trying?

Quote:Based on the Kaiser Family Foundation and HealthCare.gov results, a Michigan family of seven with the same profile could get a silver plan with the same coinsurance as the Wendt’s current plan, a monthly premium that would be roughly the same (somewhat less for the HMO and somewhat more for the PPO) and far less than the $10,000 annual deductible. Plus, such a family would be eligible for subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket expenses to around $3,000 — which could represent a significant savings since Shannon Wendt told MLive.com, a Michigan news website, that her family paid $10,000 in out-of-pocket expenses last year.

Of course, the silver plan also provides more benefits because it provides “essential benefits” and meets other requirements that Wendt’s old and current plan do not meet.

Misleading Anti-Obamacare Ad in Michigan

I do agree that the total premium number seems inflated.

I'd say the biggest problem is that she didn't want her kids on the Medicaid dole. The story even said so. She wants to get the full tax credit and stay off Medicaid, which doesn't seem possible. Therefore, she's forced to buy a $800/month family plan.

(04-04-2014 01:30 AM)supertiger Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And yet again, the story pretty much falls apart when you actually look at it objectively.

Will they ever stop trying?

Quote:Based on the Kaiser Family Foundation and HealthCare.gov results, a Michigan family of seven with the same profile could get a silver plan with the same coinsurance as the Wendt’s current plan, a monthly premium that would be roughly the same (somewhat less for the HMO and somewhat more for the PPO) and far less than the $10,000 annual deductible. Plus, such a family would be eligible for subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket expenses to around $3,000 — which could represent a significant savings since Shannon Wendt told MLive.com, a Michigan news website, that her family paid $10,000 in out-of-pocket expenses last year.

Of course, the silver plan also provides more benefits because it provides “essential benefits” and meets other requirements that Wendt’s old and current plan do not meet.

Misleading Anti-Obamacare Ad in Michigan

I do agree that the total premium number seems inflated.

I'd say the biggest problem is that she didn't want her kids on the Medicaid dole. The story even said so. She wants to get the full tax credit and stay off Medicaid, which doesn't seem possible. Therefore, she's forced to buy a $800/month family plan.

I glad that after taxpayers spent close to a trillion dollars average people get so much choice.

(04-04-2014 01:30 AM)supertiger Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And yet again, the story pretty much falls apart when you actually look at it objectively.

Will they ever stop trying?

Quote:Based on the Kaiser Family Foundation and HealthCare.gov results, a Michigan family of seven with the same profile could get a silver plan with the same coinsurance as the Wendt’s current plan, a monthly premium that would be roughly the same (somewhat less for the HMO and somewhat more for the PPO) and far less than the $10,000 annual deductible. Plus, such a family would be eligible for subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket expenses to around $3,000 — which could represent a significant savings since Shannon Wendt told MLive.com, a Michigan news website, that her family paid $10,000 in out-of-pocket expenses last year.

Of course, the silver plan also provides more benefits because it provides “essential benefits” and meets other requirements that Wendt’s old and current plan do not meet.

Misleading Anti-Obamacare Ad in Michigan

I do agree that the total premium number seems inflated.

I'd say the biggest problem is that she didn't want her kids on the Medicaid dole. The story even said so. She wants to get the full tax credit and stay off Medicaid, which doesn't seem possible. Therefore, she's forced to buy a $800/month family plan.

I admit I don't have all the facts about this particular case, but if it is true that putting her kids on Medicaid is the qualifier for her getting a equivalent plan, that's just laughable and flat out sad. Any liberal of Obamacare supporter that thinks putting kids on Medicaid is a good thing if there is a suitable alternative is beyond stupid.

(04-04-2014 10:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 01:30 AM)supertiger Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And yet again, the story pretty much falls apart when you actually look at it objectively.

Will they ever stop trying?

Quote:Based on the Kaiser Family Foundation and HealthCare.gov results, a Michigan family of seven with the same profile could get a silver plan with the same coinsurance as the Wendt’s current plan, a monthly premium that would be roughly the same (somewhat less for the HMO and somewhat more for the PPO) and far less than the $10,000 annual deductible. Plus, such a family would be eligible for subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket expenses to around $3,000 — which could represent a significant savings since Shannon Wendt told MLive.com, a Michigan news website, that her family paid $10,000 in out-of-pocket expenses last year.

Of course, the silver plan also provides more benefits because it provides “essential benefits” and meets other requirements that Wendt’s old and current plan do not meet.

Misleading Anti-Obamacare Ad in Michigan

I do agree that the total premium number seems inflated.

I'd say the biggest problem is that she didn't want her kids on the Medicaid dole. The story even said so. She wants to get the full tax credit and stay off Medicaid, which doesn't seem possible. Therefore, she's forced to buy a $800/month family plan.

I admit I don't have all the facts about this particular case, but if it is true that putting her kids on Medicaid is the qualifier for her getting a equivalent plan, that's just laughable and flat out sad. Any liberal of Obamacare supporter that thinks putting kids on Medicaid is a good thing if there is a suitable alternative is beyond stupid.

C'mon 200. There's a qualifying level for Medicaid. It's not that all are put on there. She falls under the level, so they qualify.

No one is saying this is a perfect law. You're going to have cases like this where some are going to be hurt or inconvenienced...but they go along with those who are helped and had opportunities opened up for them. You're going to have trade-offs in everything. I only want honesty and all the facts.

(04-03-2014 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 01:56 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 12:16 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Evidently some in this thread support this....

Wendt told the Washington Free Beacon that since she first spoke about her rising healthcare costs supporters of Obama’s signature law have deluged her with “hate mail,” dubbing her a “lying *****” and writing that “my children should be taken away.”

Evidently someone likes to assume...

But I'll take away any doubt for you.

Anyone who sends those types of messages to her is a disgusting vile POS. Those types of actions have no place in rational discourse on this topic.

Now, while I don't buy her arguments, I can respect that this is not an easy situation for her and is likely quite troublesome. That being said, it's pretty clear that she could save herself some money here. And I feel sorry for her as she's likely been misled by Republicans and her chosen media.

That's ripe "mislead by Repub". Nota single Repub. voted for it. and every democrat lied about it. Commietom, you need a new schtick. You are a damn lying clown.

Old man...time to hang it up. You just can't keep up.

She's being misled by Republicans who constantly insist that Obamacare has failed when it has just barely started. Misled by the Koch's and their minions who constantly tell her that she's going to pay more.

And I'm sorry, but the facts in this case...as well as in the Boonstra case...show that they would actually save money if they followed the provisions set out by the ACA.

This has NOTHING to do with who voted for the plan. Geez.

Right. By going on the dole. She clearly says exactly that, she isn't taking a hand out.

Quote:“We have always been really entrepreneurial and do it yourselfers … [so] that’s where we run into these problems with the increase because we don’t say, ‘Oh, who’s going to pay for this for us.’ We said, ‘We’re going to have to work a little harder, work a little smarter, and figure something out so our income can go up,’” she said.

So, for that, and for trying to instill that in her children she is threatened, called a liar, and by our own leftists, implied she's a buffoon that is easily lead by the nose like the left is.

So, yea, she is going to pay more. Period. Cause she refuses to take a handout from her neighbors kids mouths to put in her own. Nothing misleading about that.

I know that's a completely foreign concept to you utopian leftists, but it's not for this Family. We'd all be far better off with more people like her and far fewer who will lie straight to your face.

"Mislead by Republicans".

Now THAT'S a good one.

Reread the article. She said she thought her family would qualify for a subsidy but claims they didn't. She was going to take it if she qualified. The fact check seems to indicate that she is "mistaken" about qualifying for the subsidy.