(04-01-2014 09:34 AM)Maize Wrote: Realignment isn't done...UConn, Cincinnati and UCF/USF/Houston/Tulane are viable options in the future.
Timing was a factor in regards to Louisville and the ACC...Grant you that...my only point was if pure luck was involved it was Rutgers and the B1G...nothing against Rutgers but really they have done nothing.
I hope that we can join you Louisville fans in the future. We are going to miss playing you in all sports.
One area that I need to give credit to Louisville is the way that they left the conference. Classy and honest. They stuck by their word in regard to exit time frame, money, etc. In addition, they proudly wore the American "A" for the year while never bad-mouthing the conference.
This is in stark contrast to how other schools left. BC said that they weren't going to leave and then left like a week later, WVU didn't respect the exit period and then attempted to weasel out of paying the conference, and Rutgers sued the conference for not being able to fill their football schedule after losing a game and they also tried to weasel out of paying. That, in addition to the whole "We R B1G" thing on their athletics website over the past year with no mention of the American.
Best of luck in the future, Louisville. You program deserves it for sticking to your word.
I agree. Louisville has been one of the classier departures.
As for Rutgers what else can they put on there athletics page????????? No honestly I can't think of a single thing... LOL oh they could put they lost to Louisville by 60 in a conference tournament game. LOL not many teams can say that.
(04-01-2014 09:34 AM)Maize Wrote: Realignment isn't done...UConn, Cincinnati and UCF/USF/Houston/Tulane are viable options in the future.
Timing was a factor in regards to Louisville and the ACC...Grant you that...my only point was if pure luck was involved it was Rutgers and the B1G...nothing against Rutgers but really they have done nothing.
I hope that we can join you Louisville fans in the future. We are going to miss playing you in all sports.
One area that I need to give credit to Louisville is the way that they left the conference. Classy and honest. They stuck by their word in regard to exit time frame, money, etc. In addition, they proudly wore the American "A" for the year while never bad-mouthing the conference.
This is in stark contrast to how other schools left. BC said that they weren't going to leave and then left like a week later, WVU didn't respect the exit period and then attempted to weasel out of paying the conference, and Rutgers sued the conference for not being able to fill their football schedule after losing a game and they also tried to weasel out of paying. That, in addition to the whole "We R B1G" thing on their athletics website over the past year with no mention of the American.
Best of luck in the future, Louisville. You program deserves it for sticking to your word.
I agree. Louisville has been one of the classier departures.
The AAC/BIG EAST has been good to us and for myself I will NEVER BAD MOUTH this league.
I am also happy that we will apparently continue to play AAC schools-(need to fix the Cincinnati situation) but happy we are playing Houston in Football Home and Home and Memphis in Basketball.
As for Rutgers....did not know they did a WE R B1G on their website...PETTY....smh.
(03-31-2014 08:41 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote: Football is the locomotive, basketball is the caboose. But it's a very nice lavish and stylish caboose, all decked out, but a caboose it still is. With that said, Go Huskies! Wishing you all the best.
This is a fallacy. Football in and of itself doesn't generate any money. The American, CUSA, the Sun Belt, etc. are all living proof of that. Heck, basketball by itself generates more money for The Big East than football does for any of these conferences.
Elite football at a selective group of schools generates enormous dollars, but after those football is an enormous drain on a school's resources. Pursuing the delusion that football is the key to its future has led half the schools in the American to ignore basketball, the sport in which they really could make a national name for themselves. SMU has demonstrated just how quickly a well constructed basketball program can rise up.
The ACC built its brand on basketball. Football came later. The Big East built it's brand on basketball. Football came later. Had the Big East built an all sports conference separate from the C7, they would be alive and well today, strong in both sports. The American would be wise to build up the basketball programs at all their schools if they want to be a player in major college sports.
You have the P5...the ACC, SEC, B1G, Pac 12 and Big XII...all leagues with Contract Bowls...all Leagues with huge Media Rights deals and because of the fact they control the BCS/CFP Revenue stream which is something that has never been this large-($90 Million Baseline a year per P5 League) they are the straws that stir the drink.
If "Basketball" was on par with Football the Old BIG EAST would still be alive and extremely strong...
Never said that basketball was on par with football. But football is stratified in a way that basketball is not. You are choosing to ignore that and lumping all football programs together. Football has historically lost money for almost every program that has played it. Big money TV contracts are now Puig money into conferences that are anchored by those few elite programs. No one should be more aware of that than Louisville, who will make a ton of money in the ACC, but had they not gotten lucky, they would be relegated to the AAC with a TV contract that pays peanuts.
The ACC is a better example than the old Big East of a conference that built its brand on basketball, and is still alive and extremely strong. Had the all sports schools of the old Big East broken away from the non-football schools at any of the numerous opportunities they had to do so, they too would be alive and extremely strong today. Even with the hybrid, they were offered a billion dollar contract which the league foolishly turned down. Football schools like UConn, Cincy, and USF are living with the consequences of that decision today - as would Louisville if they hadn't caught a lucky break.
The point about basketball is that it's the fast track to national prominence on the major sports scene. Football is not; it takes much longer. No one should know that better than Louisville whose efforts to become a major player in football began in a serious way 35 years ago. It's taken that long.
Even without a major conf contract UL is still in the top twenty nationally in AD revenue. That wasn't luck, it was hard work and actual fan support, When the ACC was looking to expand, I'm sure they looked at the overall AD. So as much as Uconn fans like to believe they are so far ahead of every other AD in the G5, the proof is in the pudding , so to speak. Enjoy the aac! LUCKY BREAK MY ASS!
(03-31-2014 08:41 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote: Football is the locomotive, basketball is the caboose. But it's a very nice lavish and stylish caboose, all decked out, but a caboose it still is. With that said, Go Huskies! Wishing you all the best.
This is a fallacy. Football in and of itself doesn't generate any money. The American, CUSA, the Sun Belt, etc. are all living proof of that. Heck, basketball by itself generates more money for The Big East than football does for any of these conferences.
Elite football at a selective group of schools generates enormous dollars, but after those football is an enormous drain on a school's resources. Pursuing the delusion that football is the key to its future has led half the schools in the American to ignore basketball, the sport in which they really could make a national name for themselves. SMU has demonstrated just how quickly a well constructed basketball program can rise up.
The ACC built its brand on basketball. Football came later. The Big East built it's brand on basketball. Football came later. Had the Big East built an all sports conference separate from the C7, they would be alive and well today, strong in both sports. The American would be wise to build up the basketball programs at all their schools if they want to be a player in major college sports.
You have the P5...the ACC, SEC, B1G, Pac 12 and Big XII...all leagues with Contract Bowls...all Leagues with huge Media Rights deals and because of the fact they control the BCS/CFP Revenue stream which is something that has never been this large-($90 Million Baseline a year per P5 League) they are the straws that stir the drink.
If "Basketball" was on par with Football the Old BIG EAST would still be alive and extremely strong...
Never said that basketball was on par with football. But football is stratified in a way that basketball is not. You are choosing to ignore that and lumping all football programs together. Football has historically lost money for almost every program that has played it. Big money TV contracts are now Puig money into conferences that are anchored by those few elite programs. No one should be more aware of that than Louisville, who will make a ton of money in the ACC, but had they not gotten lucky, they would be relegated to the AAC with a TV contract that pays peanuts.
The ACC is a better example than the old Big East of a conference that built its brand on basketball, and is still alive and extremely strong. Had the all sports schools of the old Big East broken away from the non-football schools at any of the numerous opportunities they had to do so, they too would be alive and extremely strong today. Even with the hybrid, they were offered a billion dollar contract which the league foolishly turned down. Football schools like UConn, Cincy, and USF are living with the consequences of that decision today - as would Louisville if they hadn't caught a lucky break.
The point about basketball is that it's the fast track to national prominence on the major sports scene. Football is not; it takes much longer. No one should know that better than Louisville whose efforts to become a major player in football began in a serious way 35 years ago. It's taken that long.
Even without a major conf contract UL is still in the top twenty nationally in AD revenue. That wasn't luck, it was hard work and actual fan support, When the ACC was looking to expand, I'm sure they looked at the overall AD. So as much as Uconn fans like to believe they are so far ahead of every other AD in the G5, the proof is in the pudding , so to speak. Enjoy the aac! LUCKY BREAK MY ASS!
You had me up until lucky break. Louisville is damn lucky FSU had leverage for a change. All of Louisville's accomplishments and excellence would still be for naught if politics as usual had played out in the ACC. That FSU and Clemson had a place to bolt to (B12) changed the paradigm just enough for Jurich to work his magic. Louisville earned their spot, make no mistake, but it ultimately came down to right place, right time. Had it happened three months earlier or three months later, odds are it would be UConn in the AAC right now.
I don't know that I would say UConn would be there instead of Louisville based on a few months one way or the other. I am sure when it came to academics that UConn would look better being a flagship, land grant school with more money for endowments and a higher ranking due to the student enrollments. But the whole realignment was about athletics and not academics. Even Duke and UNC wanted Louisville when it came to that consideration. UNC was at Louisville for a game a year before the alignment were extremely impressed with the entire AD dept of Louisville and what they literally saw with their own eyes in regards to the money put into the school and facilities and the future projects already on the board. Plus most of the schools in the ACC did NOT want another northern school. We also had a history with several of those schools going back decades -- Florida State, Ga Tech, VT. We had already shared conferences for basketball and frequently competed as independents in football. They knew where we had been and where we were going. They could overlook Krag as just what he was -- a bad hire that created a bump in the road for 3 years. Plus TJ is one of the most highly thought of and respected ADs in the entire country. Many look at him as just short of genius with what he has accomplished in his short 15 years.
(04-02-2014 05:33 PM)uldn Wrote: I don't know that I would say UConn would be there instead of Louisville based on a few months one way or the other. I am sure when it came to academics that UConn would look better being a flagship, land grant school with more money for endowments and a higher ranking due to the student enrollments. But the whole realignment was about athletics and not academics. Even Duke and UNC wanted Louisville when it came to that consideration. UNC was at Louisville for a game a year before the alignment were extremely impressed with the entire AD dept of Louisville and what they literally saw with their own eyes in regards to the money put into the school and facilities and the future projects already on the board. Plus most of the schools in the ACC did NOT want another northern school. We also had a history with several of those schools going back decades -- Florida State, Ga Tech, VT. We had already shared conferences for basketball and frequently competed as independents in football. They knew where we had been and where we were going. They could overlook Krag as just what he was -- a bad hire that created a bump in the road for 3 years. Plus TJ is one of the most highly thought of and respected ADs in the entire country. Many look at him as just short of genius with what he has accomplished in his short 15 years.
Sorry, but no, that's not true at all, UConn was a vote shy when FSU threatened to leave (because they wanted at least a decent football school and not another primarily basketball school). UConn almost got the nod because of academics, it took a lot of convincing to get the university Presidents to look past Louisville's academics (two weeks of convincing iirc).
(04-02-2014 07:03 PM)rednblackattack Wrote: Clemson also had a say in Louisville being added.
Yup, there was a block of four solidly behind Louisville. FSU and Clemson were two of them, not certain on the other two, but my guess is two of Miami, BC and Georgia Tech.
(04-02-2014 05:33 PM)uldn Wrote: I don't know that I would say UConn would be there instead of Louisville based on a few months one way or the other. I am sure when it came to academics that UConn would look better being a flagship, land grant school with more money for endowments and a higher ranking due to the student enrollments. But the whole realignment was about athletics and not academics. Even Duke and UNC wanted Louisville when it came to that consideration. UNC was at Louisville for a game a year before the alignment were extremely impressed with the entire AD dept of Louisville and what they literally saw with their own eyes in regards to the money put into the school and facilities and the future projects already on the board. Plus most of the schools in the ACC did NOT want another northern school. We also had a history with several of those schools going back decades -- Florida State, Ga Tech, VT. We had already shared conferences for basketball and frequently competed as independents in football. They knew where we had been and where we were going. They could overlook Krag as just what he was -- a bad hire that created a bump in the road for 3 years. Plus TJ is one of the most highly thought of and respected ADs in the entire country. Many look at him as just short of genius with what he has accomplished in his short 15 years.
Sorry, but no, that's not true at all, UConn was a vote shy when FSU threatened to leave (because they wanted at least a decent football school and not another primarily basketball school). UConn almost got the nod because of academics, it took a lot of convincing to get the university Presidents to look past Louisville's academics (two weeks of convincing iirc).
UNC, Duke, Wake, NCST and Maryland all wanted UConn. UNC president even said the UL add was not about academics. People are right Southern schools FSU and Clemson threaten to leave if another Northern school was added. Regardless, this move will come back to haunt the ACC in the future. UL add has killed their identity. UL is not on the Atlantic coast and ACC ruined the academic reputation they are so proud of.
These days, just about all the UCONN prefer the B1G so we can be with our peers.
UNC, Duke, Wake, NCST and Maryland all wanted UConn. UNC president even said the UL add was not about academics. People are right Southern schools FSU and Clemson threaten to leave if another Northern school was added. Regardless, this move will come back to haunt the ACC in the future. UL add has killed their identity. UL is not on the Atlantic coast and ACC ruined the academic reputation they are so proud of.
These days, just about all the UCONN prefer the B1G so we can be with our peers.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 4
[/quote]
UCONN is playing good ball, but isn't this a slap in the face to the AAC to say something like "with our peers"? AAC is your peers. if the B1G was your peer group, you would already be in the B1G. Face it, the AAC is your peer group, you just believe you're too good for your peer group. There's a big difference in where you FEEL where you belong and where you actually belong. Just saying...
(04-03-2014 01:48 AM)Knightsweat Wrote: UCONN is playing good ball, but isn't this a slap in the face to the AAC to say something like "with our peers"? AAC is your peers. if the B1G was your peer group, you would already be in the B1G. Face it, the AAC is your peer group, you just believe you're too good for your peer group. There's a big difference in where you FEEL where you belong and where you actually belong. Just saying...
Our peers are land grant flagship state universities. Please name one that's in the AAC. Yes we are sharing the same conference, but UCONN is different than all the schools here other than athletics. That's just the reality we are dealing with. Successful conferences are usually made up of schools with similar characteristics. Look, I personally feel UCONN should make the best of it. Frankly, I got nothing against any of the AAC schools. I have pitched to have ECU and UCF join the old BE for a long, long time. However, most UCONN fans I know would much rather see UCONN in a conference with other schools with similar profiles.
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2014 02:37 AM by SF Husky.)
(04-03-2014 01:48 AM)Knightsweat Wrote: UCONN is playing good ball, but isn't this a slap in the face to the AAC to say something like "with our peers"? AAC is your peers. if the B1G was your peer group, you would already be in the B1G. Face it, the AAC is your peer group, you just believe you're too good for your peer group. There's a big difference in where you FEEL where you belong and where you actually belong. Just saying...
Our peers are land grant flagship state universities. Please name one that's in the AAC. Yes we are sharing the same conference, but UCONN is different than all the schools here other than athletics. That's just the reality we are dealing with. Successful conferences are usually made up of schools with similar characteristics. Look, I personally feel UCONN should make the best of it. Frankly, I got nothing against any of the AAC schools. I have pitched to have ECU and UCF join the old BE for a long, long time. However, most UCONN fans I know would much rather see UCONN in a conference with other schools with similar profiles.
But what UCONN fans want and what they got were much different. I understand where UCONN fans want to be , but evidently that wasn't reciprocated by the same schools you confess to be your ideal "peer schools". UCONN got their answer, its just not the one you want to hear.
Hell, UCF would much rather be in the ACC, but we have to be invited first. Till then, it would be nice to see some conference cohesion for the conference you're currently in. That's all.
(04-02-2014 05:33 PM)uldn Wrote: I don't know that I would say UConn would be there instead of Louisville based on a few months one way or the other. I am sure when it came to academics that UConn would look better being a flagship, land grant school with more money for endowments and a higher ranking due to the student enrollments. But the whole realignment was about athletics and not academics. Even Duke and UNC wanted Louisville when it came to that consideration. UNC was at Louisville for a game a year before the alignment were extremely impressed with the entire AD dept of Louisville and what they literally saw with their own eyes in regards to the money put into the school and facilities and the future projects already on the board. Plus most of the schools in the ACC did NOT want another northern school. We also had a history with several of those schools going back decades -- Florida State, Ga Tech, VT. We had already shared conferences for basketball and frequently competed as independents in football. They knew where we had been and where we were going. They could overlook Krag as just what he was -- a bad hire that created a bump in the road for 3 years. Plus TJ is one of the most highly thought of and respected ADs in the entire country. Many look at him as just short of genius with what he has accomplished in his short 15 years.
Sorry, but no, that's not true at all, UConn was a vote shy when FSU threatened to leave (because they wanted at least a decent football school and not another primarily basketball school). UConn almost got the nod because of academics, it took a lot of convincing to get the university Presidents to look past Louisville's academics (two weeks of convincing iirc).
UNC, Duke, Wake, NCST and Maryland all wanted UConn. UNC president even said the UL add was not about academics. People are right Southern schools FSU and Clemson threaten to leave if another Northern school was added. Regardless, this move will come back to haunt the ACC in the future. UL add has killed their identity. UL is not on the Atlantic coast and ACC ruined the academic reputation they are so proud of.
These days, just about all the UCONN prefer the B1G so we can be with our peers.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 4
LOL you are full of it. You are no Ohio State, Purdue or Northwestern. Not even close. Unless UConn quickly develops into a top 25 football program, you aren't wanted by anyone.
(04-03-2014 03:41 AM)rednblackattack Wrote: LOL you are full of it. You are no Ohio State, Purdue or Northwestern. Not even close. Unless UConn quickly develops into a top 25 football program, you aren't wanted by anyone.
I am guessing you just graduated from UL and clueless?
How long have you followed this expansion thing? For the record, UCONN and CUSE was the original choices for ACC expansion before Pitt. This came right out of the mouth of BCU AD, who was on the ACC expansion. He used his position to block UCONN. Read it below:
Timing and luck are exactly what got UL into the ACC. Your own AD said "Connecticut was penciled in" before last minute push by your AD and the Southern ACC schools to add UL. ACC originally did not want WVU and all suddenly they want you guys? WVU Would have been a much better add if ACC did not care about academics. By adding UL, ACC showed it no longer cared about academics. They reacted like the old BE used to do. In the long run, it will cost them. Seriously, it was a scared and desperate move by the ACC to appease the southern FB schools (Clemson and FSU) who threaten to leave. This happened right after Maryland left and ACC was vulnerable due to years of horrible football. UL just happens to be the program with Strong at the right place at the right time. A few posters from UVA and UNC confirmed it on the UCONN board as well. They added you guys, but schools like UVA, UNC, and Duke also held their noses by doing so.
Don't let facts stand in your way. There is a lot of history there you are clueless about. FYI, we been discussing this stuff for a long, long time before you showed up.
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2014 04:07 AM by SF Husky.)
