Maybe 7million people signed up, maybe not, but of those who did 75% saw their premiums increase. The premium increase numbers are from Cleveland Clinic CEO.


Obamacare hits Americans in the pocketbook

Another broken promise, "Obamacare will save American families an average of $2,500/yr."

Not to mention the sky-high deductibles..

If this is referring to people who lost their plan... had to sign up and did not qualify for a subsidy?(like me) and had to buy a new plan on the open market... Hell yes. My premium increased by $1200 this year for almost the same schitty policy.
If they are talking about those that qualify for a subsidy...Hell no. I don't believe that for a second. Most of them got a giant reduction in premium. We have 19 employees that signed up at work after we lost our previous coverage. All but 4 received subsidies. Those 15 saw their premiums drop by 30 to 40%...Most due to the subsidy.

I find it hard to believe anyone that is getting the welfare handout will see an increase in their insurance payment.

I am one of the first to bash the ACA for being a lousy idea...but...I think this report has large holes in it.

This isn't a "report." It's a hospital CEO who feels threatened by the ACA going on Faux News pulling claims out of his ass and not getting any push back from the "reporter." Just like with Senator Pull-****-outta-my-a$$-o.

Premiums rise even if you get a subsidy. You may not pay the higher cost. May be neighbors are doing it for you. Say thanks.

(04-01-2014 10:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  This isn't a "report." It's a hospital CEO who feels threatened by the ACA going on Faux News pulling claims out of his ass and not getting any push back from the "reporter." Just like with Senator Pull-****-outta-my-a$$-o.

faux news! very clever! did you just come up with that yourself? that's like awesomebitchin'. maybe see if you can do a cool sticker for your big adventure bike and put that sticker front and center. bitchin', bro!

(04-01-2014 10:50 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Premiums rise even if you get a subsidy. You may not pay the higher cost. May be neighbors are doing it for you. Say thanks.

Exactly!!!

(04-02-2014 12:55 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  This isn't a "report." It's a hospital CEO who feels threatened by the ACA going on Faux News pulling claims out of his ass and not getting any push back from the "reporter." Just like with Senator Pull-****-outta-my-a$$-o.

faux news! very clever! did you just come up with that yourself? that's like awesomebitchin'. maybe see if you can do a cool sticker for your big adventure bike and put that sticker front and center. bitchin', bro!

Hard to take people seriously when they have to resort to blaming fox for all their party's problems.

(04-01-2014 10:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  This isn't a "report." It's a hospital CEO who feels threatened by the ACA going on Faux News pulling claims out of his ass and not getting any push back from the "reporter." Just like with Senator Pull-****-outta-my-a$$-o.

Oh the fuken irony

Most ironic post ever.

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So we believe those who wrote a bill they had to pass without reading it vs a CEO of one of the best hospitals in the nation who's probably read it and understood it better than those who drafted it?

Yea, I'll place my bets on the CEO.

Fewer than a million people who have enrolled in Obamacare were uninsured before and have paid.

(04-01-2014 10:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  This isn't a "report." It's a hospital CEO who feels threatened by the ACA going on Faux News pulling claims out of his ass and not getting any push back from the "reporter." Just like with Senator Pull-****-outta-my-a$$-o.

You have no evidence of that.

Basically, someone who has access to the numbers reported something. Something that fits w/ logic. And something tommy claimed doctors weren't concerned w/, so now we have the proper party reporting.

And yet you still deny it. Guess which side of reality that puts you on.

(04-02-2014 07:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So we believe those who wrote a bill they had to pass without reading it vs a CEO of one of the best hospitals in the nation who's probably read it and understood it better than those who drafted it?

Yea, I'll place my bets on the CEO.

Yeah, businessmen are always trustworthy. Hopefully you don't drive a Chevy Cobalt.

DrTorch Wrote:You have no evidence of that.

Basically, someone who has access to the numbers reported something. Something that fits w/ logic. And something tommy claimed doctors weren't concerned w/, so now we have the proper party reporting.

And yet you still deny it. Guess which side of reality that puts you on.

bull**** he has "access to the numbers." A hospital CEO doesn't know the premiums rate and the subsidies applied to those rates from the government for everyone who signed up for Obamacare. If he had a survey he would cite it. Sorry, but most of these numbers have to come from the Obama administration because they're the only ones who can aggregate all the data. But even they probably don't even know this one because I don't think they track the previous premium rates for those signing up.

"Faux News: We smile and nod while Republicans make outrageous unsourced claims on the air, you decide!"

(04-01-2014 10:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  This isn't a "report." It's a hospital CEO who feels threatened by the ACA going on Faux News pulling claims out of his ass and not getting any push back from the "reporter." Just like with Senator Pull-****-outta-my-a$$-o.

Why would this hospital CEO feel "threatened" by the ACA? What's threatening enough about the ACA that he would go on a news program and lie, as per your characterization?

The law holds hospitals to account for readmission rates and makes cuts to Medicare and seeks other ways to cut costs which may hurt their bottom line.

(04-02-2014 10:44 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The law holds hospitals to account for readmission rates and makes cuts to Medicare and seeks other ways to cut costs which may hurt their bottom line.

But doesn't it now provide millions upon millions of new "customers" as well? I'd think this will be a boon for the hospitals all underwritten by the good hard working taxpayers of the U.S. of A. Free schit for everyone else!

I'd think he'd be thrilled, so again, why lie?

(04-02-2014 09:06 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 07:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So we believe those who wrote a bill they had to pass without reading it vs a CEO of one of the best hospitals in the nation who's probably read it and understood it better than those who drafted it?

Yea, I'll place my bets on the CEO.

Yeah, businessmen are always trustworthy. Hopefully you don't drive a Chevy Cobalt.

DrTorch Wrote:You have no evidence of that.

Basically, someone who has access to the numbers reported something. Something that fits w/ logic. And something tommy claimed doctors weren't concerned w/, so now we have the proper party reporting.

And yet you still deny it. Guess which side of reality that puts you on.

bull**** he has "access to the numbers." A hospital CEO doesn't know the premiums rate and the subsidies applied to those rates from the government for everyone who signed up for Obamacare. If he had a survey he would cite it. Sorry, but most of these numbers have to come from the Obama administration because they're the only ones who can aggregate all the data. But even they probably don't even know this one because I don't think they track the previous premium rates for those signing up.

You're right.. A hospital CEO is totally ignorant on healthcare.. Opposed to members of Congress who probably spent half of their careers around hospitals and such.

As far as the Chevy Cobalt... Obama praised it too.. http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-s...m-geraghty

So you're 0-2. Care to go another round?

Oh and the CEO.. He's also a Doctor.

http://dyslexia.yale.edu/cosgrove.html

I don't care if he's also a doctor. Being a doctor doesn't give you a magic window into the percentage of Obamacare enrollees who have had their premiums go up.

A lot of these new patients are simply shifting from the ERs to less expensive primary care physicians, which may or may not be located in the Cleveland Clinic (whereas if they visited the ER they would be). Yes those ER visits weren't all collected but those costs were shifted to the rest of us. Plus, even those whose bottom lines are boosted now hate this law because they see this as a step towards single payer which will ultimately cut into their margins.