Matta was an assistant for 6 years at Butler (in indianapolis)

OSU has only surpassed UC since Matta took over and our program was blown up by Zimpher. If you take the long view and compare the programs by decades I think it comes out something like this:

50's belong to UC. OSU had no conference championships or NCAA appearances...under Floyd Stahl they weren't very good.

60's UC edges them out...both programs had some great success

70's UC edges them out..both programs had their ups and downs but UC was more consistently good

80's we'd like to forget this decade...all OSU

90's belong to UC...we were in the tourney every year and had one final four and two other elite eights. OSU had some good success and some really bad years

00's OSU caught us and passed us

10's still OSU...at least until this year

I would say worst case is that we were on par with them until Matta...I don't think that gives them the right to say they have everything to lose and nothing to gain with regard to UC.

Having said all this... I don't give a rat's ass if we ever play the scumbags.

Here's How the Numbers Break Down

UC - 2 NC's
1 Runner-Up
6 Final 4
8 Gr 8's
13 Sw16
28 NCAA appearances
10 Conf Trny CH's
27 Conf Reg Season CH's

osu - 1 NC
4 Runner Up's
11 F 4's
15 Gr 8's
15 SW 16
29 appearances
5 Conf Trny CH
22 Conf CH

I kept the vacated ones in there for osu. They happened. If someone wants to take the time to remove them, have at it. I am not a osu fan by any measure. They are in a comparable range to UC. My frustration with UC has been one and dones in the 90's. Also, too bad the program was severely down in the 80's. We were given an oppotunity to beat them in 2011, however did not happen. UC is in a great spot to continue our tradition. I hope, in the future, the program is up to the challenge of making deep runs in the NCAA tourny.

Mill, I think you forgot to back out the appearances that tosu had to vacate. I could be wrong.

(03-26-2014 04:17 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Mill, I think you forgot to back out the appearances that tosu had to vacate. I could be wrong.

Yeah - I was doing this quickly. The vacated years are included. I think if you take out vacated years they lose 1 F4, 1 Gr 8, not sure if it's 1 or 2 Sw 16's, and they lose out on multiple appearances/Conf ch's.

I remember the OSU football tatoo scandal where they had to vacate the Sugar bowl win. I don't remember the basketball vacancies. When did that happen?

When Jim O'Brien was coach - gave money to foreign player. Can't remember off the top of my head, were there other things? I believe the years vacated were the Scoony Penn/Michael Redd years...I think.

(03-26-2014 12:16 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  I think they have been better some years this year being the exception.

And honestly Big 10 conference championships are impressive but not nearly as impressive as the Big East or ACC. There is a great chance they would have had one Big East title in the same stretch. Might have had one or two in the B12 or SEC.

He has signed 10 Mickey D's and had a lot leave.

Matta shot his wad when he got Conley and Oden. And how he got them really should have been investigated by the NCAA. What coach gets to put kids in his car for a cross state, multi-hour recruiting pitch on the claim that "they needed a ride"?

They've still had a bunch of success since Oden. The Sullinger years were really good - they made a Final 4 and had a 1 seed another year. I mean, they almost made the Final 4 last year. They have a ton of built-in advantages over UC. The fact that UC was better than them during the Huggins era is pretty amazing.

As far as some others comparing their respective histories, the 50s and 60s are nice and somewhat important, but I'm more concerned with the current landscape.

Sometimes I wish Ohio could have what Kentucky has with Louisville playing Kentucky every year. I know that in Kentucky it generates a lot of interest in the games and both teams. Ohio could have the same level of excitement if the Buckeyes would consider playing UC every year. It certainly would increase the interest in basketball in the state.

(03-27-2014 10:07 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Sometimes I wish Ohio could have what Kentucky has with Louisville playing Kentucky every year. I know that in Kentucky it generates a lot of interest in the games and both teams. Ohio could have the same level of excitement if the Buckeyes would consider playing UC every year. It certainly would increase the interest in basketball in the state.

Not only across the state but on a national level as well. The UK/UL bball game is broadcasted on CBS and garners very high ratings. People outside of the Commonwealth look at this game and say "Damn, that is a great rivalry and they play great basketball in that state".

The funny thing about OSU is that they really don't have a basektball rival, in the classic use of the word. OSU/Michigan is obviously a great football rivarly but it does not carry over so much on the hardwood (or in the baseball diamond, on the soccer fields, etc.). Most of the Ohio State fans I knew in Columbus probably hated Wisconsin more than anymore in the B10 simply because Wisconsin has beated quite frequently in basketball under Bo Ryan's tenure (I heard this alot on Columbus sports radio as well).

Would be a great series. UK was forced to play Loserville. If they could get out of that series they would in a heart beat. At least this is what Arkeilpane told me.

Not only great for fans but you could make a very strong case about a multi-million dollar economic impact in a state that hasn't enjoyed a real robust recovery.

Of course we all know it won't happen. The insufferable arrogance of a university that chooses to make "THE" part of their official name says it all. By objective measures, UC is Ohio's other major university. Refusing to consider Cincy as anything more than the rest of the public universities in Ohio is a tacit acknowledgement of their fear of being knocked off the perch they've enjoyed for decades.

Remember the Avis advertising campaign years ago when they were chasing #1 Hertz? "We're number two and we try harder." I think the attitude from the folks up north drives UC to exceed expectations academically and athletically.

(03-27-2014 11:53 AM)indycat Wrote:  Not only great for fans but you could make a very strong case about a multi-million dollar economic impact in a state that hasn't enjoyed a real robust recovery.

Of course we all know it won't happen. The insufferable arrogance of a university that chooses to make "THE" part of their official name says it all. By objective measures, UC is Ohio's other major university. Refusing to consider Cincy as anything more than the rest of the public universities in Ohio is a tacit acknowledgement of their fear of being knocked off the perch they've enjoyed for decades.

Remember the Avis advertising campaign years ago when they were chasing #1 Hertz? "We're number two and we try harder." I think the attitude from the folks up north drives UC to exceed expectations academically and athletically.

If they were not playing this game, each school would schedule a home game to replace it.

How can one game, dictated by the government, be more economically beneficial than two sold out home games.

I could care less if we play OSU in basketball. But if we had to give up a home game every year to accommodate that scheduling, that is a no brainer. Schedule someone else.

What non-conference home basketball game did UC sellout recently? UC vs. P5 conference and NCAA Tournament teams NC State and Nebraska didn't nearly fill 5th/3rd.

Kentucky vs. Louisville is sold out for basketball and football every year regardless of where it's played. Ohio State vs. UC @ US Bank Arena would be SRO for 17,000; football @ PBS would sellout too. All ticket revenue stays in state for both teams; bars, restaurants and hotels gain incremental revenue.

So I do agree, I could care less if we play OSU. We don't need them to remain an elite program. But I also think what the State of Kentucky created with that rivalry has been good for fans, good for business and an attractive rivalry for national TV.

(03-27-2014 02:18 PM)indycat Wrote:  What non-conference home basketball game did UC sellout recently? UC vs. P5 conference and NCAA Tournament teams NC State and Nebraska didn't nearly fill 5th/3rd.

Kentucky vs. Louisville is sold out for basketball and football every year regardless of where it's played. Ohio State vs. UC @ US Bank Arena would be SRO for 17,000; football @ PBS would sellout too. All ticket revenue stays in state for both teams; bars, restaurants and hotels gain incremental revenue.

So I do agree, I could care less if we play OSU. We don't need them to remain an elite program. But I also think what the State of Kentucky created with that rivalry has been good for fans, good for business and an attractive rivalry for national TV.

This. I can't imagine UC makes any money playing UMass-Lowell or Kennesaw State in front of 4500 people. Ohio State also struggles to sell tickets early in the season when they are not playing a big name. When I lived in Columbus the company I worked for would buy tickets and give them away to employees if they promised to attend. I went to a few and the arena was usually half full.

There are many examples for in state schools playing each other. Iowa St plays Iowa, Oklahoma St plays Oklahoma, Florida plays Florida St, Miami and sometimes South Florida, Penn St has played Pitt over the years, Tennessee plays Vanderbilt, Texas vs Texas A & M

A series would be great for the opposing fan bases. Heck, UC and osu fans tend to act as if there is a rivalry most of the time, with the constant back and forth. Yes, osu fans, you may claim not to care, however the constant name calling and belittlling of UC says otherwise.

However, I do not see C State making this move. Took the state legislature in KY, to force UK into playing Loserville. Initially, U of Mich did everything possible to impede Mich St's growth and success. Ironically, it was ND, who helped Mich St in fball ... however, I digress. In FL, at least in fball, U of FL quit playing Miami at one point, however FL St and Miami have always maintained competition between the two institutions. I believe there was a story behind why Penn St cancelled an ongoing series with Pitt in football. Penn St has done everything possible to prevent Pitt from entering the Big10.

I would be interested in seeing how other states created their rivalry games, ie OK/OK St, Iowa/Iowa St, Kansas/K St, ect. Would like to see if there were hudles to overcome?

The Rino Gov. (OSU Grad) and the Legislators get bribed by to$u tickets to keep them #1 and everyone else # 9.

An exempt Ohio Tournament would be awesome.

The rules are simple. You can play up to four games within twelve days, and all teams must be in different conferences. That's it. What you're seeing now is five teams collectively deciding to schedule each other, and calling it an exempt tournament. UC did this last year with NC State, NCCU, Campbell, and someone else.

Xavier, Dayton, Cincinnati, Ohio State and Ohio are all in different conferences. If all played each other within twelve days, it would count as an exempt tournament.

Hell, even if Ohio State doesn't want to play, call up Wright State or Cleveland State.

(03-27-2014 05:57 PM)dossbig Wrote:  The Rino Gov. (OSU Grad) and the Legislators get bribed by to$u tickets to keep them #1 and everyone else # 9.

This is exactly the situation. There is no help coming from the Statehouse as they like the status quo.