Nice season by La Laf BB, but most of the nation prefers to see Mc Dermott and the Jays play on.

Good effort, Louisiana. Still a program on the rise.

(03-19-2014 10:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 09:48 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:34 PM)Savacool Wrote:  That is incorrect. LSU is not known as Louisiana. No one is. LSU Agricultural & Mechanical is the second oldest public university in Louisiana and unquestionably now the Louisiana public flagship university in Louisiana and a tier one academic institution. LSU A&M is rated as the top public academic university in Louisiana. Tulane is the top private university in the state with a 51 or 52 in the nation academic ranking far ahead of any public universities in Louisiana. Tulane University of Louisiana was formerly known as the University of Louisiana by state legislative act in the nineteenth century. (After Paul Tulane's bequest, Tulane was added in front of its name and then went private.) You seemed to have your disinformation programmed to drop into these threads at a push of a bottom. Trying to push a name Louisiana which you are not only hurts the reputation of UL-L!

I never said LSU is known as Louisiana. I said, like Ohio State, LSU is the big-dog in the state. Ohio University exists with OSU and with every other state university in Ohio. Louisiana can exist also. Similar to LSU using an abbreviation of its official name, Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College (LSUA&M), we are also using an abbreviation of our name athletically, LOUISIANA. LSU is the flagship of the state. Louisiana is not a flagship, only an athletic branding. Tulane is a private institution who lost its University of Louisiana name when it went private over a century ago. There is now a UL System, which Tulane is not a part of. So, Tulane has no say so as to our use of Louisiana and continually inserting yourself into a public university issue is asinine. You have no stake in what we call ourselves. I do not present disinformation, you do. You create a name issue on every board with the same diatribe and force a rebuttle.

I thought it was amusing a few years back when Ohio St. tried to stop Ohio U. (which is an older university) from using "Ohio" and lost. Matt Lauer of the Today show is an Ohio grad and publicized that nonsense.

Ohio going back early in its history branded itself Ohio with "diamond Ohio" font. It was on the football helmet as late as the early 70's.

In the late 70's Ohio move to a paw logo like Clemson which was very popular but a copyright violation. A decision was made in 1995 for a new attack cat logo and curved Ohio, which incidentally looked very much like the font used on Ohio State's logo.

Ohio State for whatever reason got ticked off of by the new logo and decided to challenge it. In court they were advised that they were in for a big loss and would lose any rights to using "Ohio" such as the script Ohio ect so OSU settled out of court.

That being said, there is no comparison between the public university system in Ohio and the one in Louisiana. Louisiana is a poor state where there is only room for 1 major public school. The trend is moving away from directional names though and the University of Louisiana system is a great idea. Unfortunately LSU is not part of the University of Louisiana system which is an absolute must for the name to carry any weight.

University of Louisiana-Baton Rouge
University of Louisiana-Lafayette
University of Louisiana-Ruston

If the University of Louisiana was set up that way then it would help Lafayette reputation wise to be associated with Baton Rouge and above the other schools.

University of Louisiana System:

Grambling State University, Grambling
Louisiana Tech University, Ruston
McNeese State University, Lake Charles
Nicholls State University, Thibodaux
Northwestern State University, Natchitoches
Southeastern Louisiana University, Hammond
University of Louisiana at Lafayette
University of Louisiana at Monroe
University of New Orleans

Schools are either part of the Louisiana State system, University of Louisiana system or Southern University system in Louisiana. For Lafayette to take the athletic branding of Louisiana for itself appears questionable.

University System of Ohio:

University of Akron — Akron
Bowling Green State University — Bowling Green
Central State University — Wilberforce
University of Cincinnati — Cincinnati
Cleveland State University — Cleveland
Kent State University — Kent
Miami University — Oxford
Northeast Ohio Medical University — Rootstown
Ohio State University — Columbus
Ohio University — Athens
Shawnee State University — Portsmouth
University of Toledo — Toledo
Wright State University — Dayton
Youngstown State University — Youngstown

Nobody has the name "University of Ohio" and all the schools are part of one system.

The Ohio system is most like the one in Virginia with 2 state flagship schools, a Public Ivy and several metro schools.

Miami U./William&Mary
Ohio-Ohio St/Virginia-Virginia Tech
Cincinnati-Toledo-Akron/VCU-Old Dominion-George Mason
Kent St-Bowling Green/James Madison-Radford
Wright St/Mary Washington
Central St/Norfolk St
Shawnee St/Virgnia-Wise

Of course its not as difficult to get into the public schools of Ohio as what it is in Virginia but the state funding model is tilted toward STEM and enrollment which favors Ohio, Ohio St and Cincinnati which get more money per student than the others.

Its not like a state where one school has all of the power as it is in Louisiana. Back in the 1930's Ohio State had more sway as the lone major school while the state was more rural before the suburban blow up in population. OSU was out voted and lost control of the state funding model in the 60's.

The MAC alignment with 6 Ohio schools reflects the state politics of the 60's where those schools aligned against Ohio St and brought the land grant down to its knees. Ohio St then moved to align with Ohio its backyard public university to build a STEM voting block against the regional teacher colleges and the formation of a strong liberal arts university in Northeast Ohio, OSU's ultimate fear. OSU has always had issues as a liberal arts university because of its land grant, AG school image.

While that's not a bad try at the situation there is one fatal flaw, there is easily room for two major public schools in Louisiana. Mississippi and Alabama are both worse off and support two.

(03-20-2014 09:16 PM)Savacool Wrote:  Why are you all so paranoid and hung up in calling yourself a different name than your real name?

Do you realize that the state law requires every university in the UL System to add the city tag to their official name? In other words, the official name of Louisiana Tech is Louisiana Tech University at Ruston, McNeese State University at Lake Charles, etc. None of them go by their official name. In fact, they all shorten their names like LA Tech and McNeese State. We chose to similarly shorten our name to Louisiana. ULM chose to brand itself as ULM. Yet, we are the only ones some of you think MUST keep Lafayette with our name. LSU's official name is Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College. When LA Tech calls themselves LA Tech-Ruston and LTUR and LSU calls themselves LSU A&M, then I will call my school UL Lafayette and ULL. Until then, force the other schools to follow the same mandate you have for us or call us Louisiana and get the F--- off of our back.

(03-22-2014 10:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  While that's not a bad try at the situation there is one fatal flaw, there is easily room for two major public schools in Louisiana. Mississippi and Alabama are both worse off and support two.

There is room of two major publics in Louisiana but you would have to close the doors of 5-6 of them and then designate someone to become that second major school to pull it off.

The Louisiana-Laffayette name situation has nothing to do with them developing into that second school. This is totally unlike the SUNY-Buffalo discussion for example where they are already pulling in more research dollars than any school in the LA-MS-AL region.

La Tech has a better shot at #2 because of their engineering college and location on the other side of the state. Lafayette is too close to Baton Rouge, IMO.

(03-22-2014 07:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  While that's not a bad try at the situation there is one fatal flaw, there is easily room for two major public schools in Louisiana. Mississippi and Alabama are both worse off and support two.

There is room of two major publics in Louisiana but you would have to close the doors of 5-6 of them and then designate someone to become that second major school to pull it off.

The Louisiana-Laffayette name situation has nothing to do with them developing into that second school. This is totally unlike the SUNY-Buffalo discussion for example where they are already pulling in more research dollars than any school in the LA-MS-AL region.

La Tech has a better shot at #2 because of their engineering college and location on the other side of the state. Lafayette is too close to Baton Rouge, IMO.

That just isn't true. UAB does more research.

Still, you are right in that over the past 30 years and more La Tech has been seen, or perceived nationally, as the number two public school in Louisiana. It's a huge drop from LSU to La Tech though.

I also don't think that you'd need to close any of the other publics. Consider that Alabama has two HBCUs as well, along with 4 'important' lesser schools in UNA, USA, Jack St, and Troy, outside the two major university systems. There are even more.

I think it has more to do with allocation of resources than anything; LSU has them all in Louisiana.

(03-22-2014 09:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 07:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  While that's not a bad try at the situation there is one fatal flaw, there is easily room for two major public schools in Louisiana. Mississippi and Alabama are both worse off and support two.

There is room of two major publics in Louisiana but you would have to close the doors of 5-6 of them and then designate someone to become that second major school to pull it off.

The Louisiana-Laffayette name situation has nothing to do with them developing into that second school. This is totally unlike the SUNY-Buffalo discussion for example where they are already pulling in more research dollars than any school in the LA-MS-AL region.

La Tech has a better shot at #2 because of their engineering college and location on the other side of the state. Lafayette is too close to Baton Rouge, IMO.

That just isn't true. UAB does more research.

Still, you are right in that over the past 30 years and more La Tech has been seen, or perceived nationally, as the number two public school in Louisiana. It's a huge drop from LSU to La Tech though.

I also don't think that you'd need to close any of the other publics. Consider that Alabama has two HBCUs as well, along with 4 'important' lesser schools in UNA, USA, Jack St, and Troy, outside the two major university systems. There are even more.

I think it has more to do with allocation of resources than anything; LSU has them all in Louisiana.

Probably.

(03-22-2014 07:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  While that's not a bad try at the situation there is one fatal flaw, there is easily room for two major public schools in Louisiana. Mississippi and Alabama are both worse off and support two.

There is room of two major publics in Louisiana but you would have to close the doors of 5-6 of them and then designate someone to become that second major school to pull it off.

The Louisiana-Laffayette name situation has nothing to do with them developing into that second school. This is totally unlike the SUNY-Buffalo discussion for example where they are already pulling in more research dollars than any school in the LA-MS-AL region.

La Tech has a better shot at #2 because of their engineering college and location on the other side of the state. Lafayette is too close to Baton Rouge, IMO.

While I am not too familiar with SUNY-Buffalo, I do know that Louisiana-Lafayette is approaching $100 million in annual reasearch dollars and is a Top 100 National High Research University and was one of the top 10 fastest growing research universities in the country.

It also has an academic endowment that is larger than the entire UL System schools including La Tech, ULM, McNeese, Northwestern St, Nicholls and Grambling combined. Now that UNO has moved into the ULS that is no longer the case.

With the exception of US News and Report ranking, ULL is the clear number two university is all aspects. Enrollment, endowment, research budget, alumni, athletics and athletic facilities.

Over $300 million in on campus improvements are under way, over $115 million in athletic facility improvements are underway. Aside from LSU, we are the only university in Louisiana that is actually making such moves due to the financial support the Acadiana area with it's $6 billion dollar annual economy brings to the table.

The Louisiana Ragin Cajuns are not the same university that many have known for the past 40 years. We were stifled by a university president who condemned athletics and choked off all resources from every program for 35 years. He refused all athletic donations unless there was a matching donation towards academics. Dr. Raymond Authement pushed 30+ years of alumni away from their university and towards LSU with the neglect of athletics.

Dr. Joesph Savois has been the university president for 5 years and during that time frame our athletic budget has grown by 50%. Our highest paid coach before Savios made the state allotted $250k. Now Mark Hudspeth will make over $1 million. The formation of the Ragin Cajun Athletic Foundation has been formed and has seen membership grow by nearly 20% each year since it has been formed 4 years ago and annual donations grow at a 30% rate.

Unlike La Tech who announced an 20 million dollar end zone project 4 years ago and have yet to break ground, Louisiana unveiled a $120 million dollar athletic facilities master plan last year and have already broke ground on Phase I with money in hand. The fundraising for Phase II has already begun and close to half of the $60 million has already been committed to the program before the actual capital projects campaign has even begun. Within the next 5 years Louisiana's facilities will be on par with Ole Miss, Miss State, and Houston. They will be better as a whole than everyone else in the region who are not an elite program.

Some of you can ignore, deny or flat out refuse to accept what is going on right now with the growth of this university. But I promise you this, when the most hostile adversaries in the "local/statewide" media start penning blogs and editorials citing the progress that has been made buy ULL regarding athletic success and the Louisiana branding efforts the battle is won.

The resolve among Cajun fans is too strong regarding the name issue to lose. This has been a fight since 1984, all other parties involved do not have the will to fight the name battle for 3 decades. With the success in athletics 3 bowl wins in a row, NCAA appearance in basketball, #5 ranked baseball and top 25 ranked softball. The separation in athletics is already there.

Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

(03-22-2014 07:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  While that's not a bad try at the situation there is one fatal flaw, there is easily room for two major public schools in Louisiana. Mississippi and Alabama are both worse off and support two.

There is room of two major publics in Louisiana but you would have to close the doors of 5-6 of them and then designate someone to become that second major school to pull it off.

The Louisiana-Laffayette name situation has nothing to do with them developing into that second school. This is totally unlike the SUNY-Buffalo discussion for example where they are already pulling in more research dollars than any school in the LA-MS-AL region.

La Tech has a better shot at #2 because of their engineering college and location on the other side of the state. Lafayette is too close to Baton Rouge, IMO.

You may want to take a good look at our Engineering College before making a statement like that......

(03-23-2014 09:44 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

(03-23-2014 09:44 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

Why don't you address my previous post regarding every school in the UL System being required to have a city tag as their official name, yet none of them are using it, but YOU insist on Louisiana doing so? Or that LSU does not go by their official name, LSU A&M. Please explain why you are so adamant about Louisiana vs any other university and just what your stake is in this name game. Are you an alumnus of a university in Louisiana? From what university did you get a degree? What is your preoccupation with Louisiana?

(03-23-2014 11:42 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:44 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

Why don't you address my previous post regarding every school in the UL System being required to have a city tag as their official name, yet none of them are using it, but YOU insist on Louisiana doing so? Or that LSU does not go by their official name, LSU A&M. Please explain why you are so adamant about Louisiana vs any other university and just what your stake is in this name game. Are you an alumnus of a university in Louisiana? From what university did you get a degree? What is your preoccupation with Louisiana?

Not going to get involved in a strawman argument. We're talking about ULL, not the others. Sort of thought you'd take the hint. Once again, i'd have no issue with it if it didn't violate the law (chancellor's approval or not). Or if ULL changed their name. But denial is keeping ULL fans from understanding this. I'm not an enemy of ULL, I just disagree with the use of the name "Louisiana", for the reasons stated above. Agree/disagree, doesn't matter, that's my opinion and it won't change. Yeah, I know, "Bless my heart". Heart of Dixie seems to think that comment affects me. Probably a Bammer thing.

Either way, best of to ULL.

(03-23-2014 02:27 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 11:42 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:44 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

Why don't you address my previous post regarding every school in the UL System being required to have a city tag as their official name, yet none of them are using it, but YOU insist on Louisiana doing so? Or that LSU does not go by their official name, LSU A&M. Please explain why you are so adamant about Louisiana vs any other university and just what your stake is in this name game. Are you an alumnus of a university in Louisiana? From what university did you get a degree? What is your preoccupation with Louisiana?

Not going to get involved in a strawman argument. We're talking about ULL, not the others. Sort of thought you'd take the hint. Once again, i'd have no issue with it if it didn't violate the law (chancellor's approval or not). Or if ULL changed their name. But denial is keeping ULL fans from understanding this. I'm not an enemy of ULL, I just disagree with the use of the name "Louisiana", for the reasons stated above. Agree/disagree, doesn't matter, that's my opinion and it won't change. Yeah, I know, "Bless my heart". Heart of Dixie seems to think that comment affects me. Probably a Bammer thing.

Either way, best of to ULL.

Translation: "even when I'm wrong ill continue to talk."

(03-23-2014 02:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 02:27 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 11:42 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:44 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

Why don't you address my previous post regarding every school in the UL System being required to have a city tag as their official name, yet none of them are using it, but YOU insist on Louisiana doing so? Or that LSU does not go by their official name, LSU A&M. Please explain why you are so adamant about Louisiana vs any other university and just what your stake is in this name game. Are you an alumnus of a university in Louisiana? From what university did you get a degree? What is your preoccupation with Louisiana?

Not going to get involved in a strawman argument. We're talking about ULL, not the others. Sort of thought you'd take the hint. Once again, i'd have no issue with it if it didn't violate the law (chancellor's approval or not). Or if ULL changed their name. But denial is keeping ULL fans from understanding this. I'm not an enemy of ULL, I just disagree with the use of the name "Louisiana", for the reasons stated above. Agree/disagree, doesn't matter, that's my opinion and it won't change. Yeah, I know, "Bless my heart". Heart of Dixie seems to think that comment affects me. Probably a Bammer thing.

Either way, best of to ULL.

Translation: "even when I'm wrong ill continue to talk."

Translation: "You're too stupid to know when to shut your trap."

And with that, I'm done arguing with a mental midget. Even though it's fun, it's like picking on the handicap. Bad karma, so I'll protect you from yourself, and end this. Get your last shot in if it makes you feel better, but i've already lowered my standards by just going this far with you.

Man I can't stand ULL fans...

(03-23-2014 04:56 PM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  Man I can't stand ULL fans...

Fine by me

Chancellor still says the name is fine and Louisiana marches forward with it.

(03-23-2014 02:27 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 11:42 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:44 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Congratulations, but it doesn't change the name issue. End of story.

Why don't you address my previous post regarding every school in the UL System being required to have a city tag as their official name, yet none of them are using it, but YOU insist on Louisiana doing so? Or that LSU does not go by their official name, LSU A&M. Please explain why you are so adamant about Louisiana vs any other university and just what your stake is in this name game. Are you an alumnus of a university in Louisiana? From what university did you get a degree? What is your preoccupation with Louisiana?

Not going to get involved in a strawman argument. We're talking about ULL, not the others. Sort of thought you'd take the hint. Once again, i'd have no issue with it if it didn't violate the law (chancellor's approval or not). Or if ULL changed their name. But denial is keeping ULL fans from understanding this. I'm not an enemy of ULL, I just disagree with the use of the name "Louisiana", for the reasons stated above. Agree/disagree, doesn't matter, that's my opinion and it won't change. Yeah, I know, "Bless my heart". Heart of Dixie seems to think that comment affects me. Probably a Bammer thing.

Either way, best of to ULL.

It is your opinion ands it is obvious we will not change it. Therefore, I will simply say that I respect your opinion and hope that one day it will be changed. Until then, best of luck to you and your team.