RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 10:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote: The real divider in basketball is "One Bid League" IE usually only in the Big Dance because it has to take your tournament champ and "Multi Bid Leagues" where one has lots of good teams besides the winner of the CTG.
But even then, a single elimination tournament throws out the door on who is actually better on any given day
This. The real divider in basketball is the leagues that get one bid vs. leagues that get, for example, 4 or 5 bids or more.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 12:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:
(03-21-2014 10:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote: The real divider in basketball is "One Bid League" IE usually only in the Big Dance because it has to take your tournament champ and "Multi Bid Leagues" where one has lots of good teams besides the winner of the CTG.
But even then, a single elimination tournament throws out the door on who is actually better on any given day
This. The real divider in basketball is the leagues that get one bid vs. leagues that get, for example, 4 or 5 bids or more.
I guess that puts the SEC in no-man's land. Only 3 bids the past couple of years.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 01:36 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:
(03-21-2014 12:36 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:
(03-21-2014 12:26 AM)Chuck A Wrote: I realize it's a slow process, but I am so glad the mid-majors are narrowing the divide between them and the so-called high-majors of P5 schools. It has happened in some of the non-conference football games and in basketball, the notoriety mostly comes during the Big Dance.
Teams like an Ohio State, get their comeuppance during the Dance and make teams like Dayton and their fans feel so good and worthy, mostly because the Ohio States think they're too good to play and think they are above in-state teams like the Flyers. It still may take some years before the divide is almost non-existent, which is another reason I believe the P5 wants to have control and near autonomy, thus controlling the money. If everything is even or nearly even, what's the point in separating?
Good for Dayton, South Dakota State, Harvard and St. Louis. There will be more. Yeah, I'm a "mid-major" guy!
Not a good day for those "O" schools, like Oklahoma, and THE Ohio State University.
It was even worse for the "B" schools
Buckeyes- lost
Buffaloes- lost
Bearcats- lost
Broncos- lost
BYU- lost
Blue Hens- lost
The Badgers were the only B to survive.
1:08 left and Mercer leads Duke 67-63. Will the B curse take out the Bluedevils or will it boomerang on the Bears?
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
Truth be told our (Cincy) post players played like low majors against harvard, they missed so many east shots.
Been a problem for a couple of years. Looks like Duke continues the trend, 2/3 years they lost to a 15 and 14 seed.
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RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 12:34 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:
(03-21-2014 12:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:
(03-21-2014 10:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote: The real divider in basketball is "One Bid League" IE usually only in the Big Dance because it has to take your tournament champ and "Multi Bid Leagues" where one has lots of good teams besides the winner of the CTG.
But even then, a single elimination tournament throws out the door on who is actually better on any given day
This. The real divider in basketball is the leagues that get one bid vs. leagues that get, for example, 4 or 5 bids or more.
I guess that puts the SEC in no-man's land. Only 3 bids the past couple of years.
We're used to it. It's a perception battle the same kind that good football programs from lesser ballyhooed conferences suffer in the post season of football. We had 5 schools this year that could have competed well enough in the first two rounds of the tournament, but the sportswriters and pundits that know basketball pay little attention to anyone out of the SEC except Kentucky and Florida. So when the conference has more depth they get discounted due to unfamiliarity. And as with football the RPI and SOS is skewed by preseason bias the same as it is in football. At least the tournament is large enough that you still get a chance to win it on the court if you're really decent. I'll be glad when that is more the case in football. But until then we'll enjoy the football bias and endure the basketball bias and chalk it up to imperfect human nature.
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RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 01:45 PM)randaddyminer Wrote: well the pack of 5 better hurry up and split in football or they're going to have the same battle they're facing in basketball.
Yep, thinking the same thing.
Unfortunately, if the past few years are any indication, the P5 will react from these upsets and make things a little tougher on the rest of the schools/conferences. They have all the power and will make some changes that will make it harder for this to happen again. THey'll just say they have a right to do so because they get all the television viewers-- mark my words.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 02:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Ok for this discussion:
Are the Big East, AAC and A-10 considered mid-majors or high-majors?
If the P5 ever breaks away I think these 3 leagues and the MWC come along for the ride.
Despite getting six teams in I think the A-10 is usually considered a mid-major league due to budgetary reasons. The other leagues you mentioned got that cash money, relatively speaking.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 02:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Ok for this discussion:
Are the Big East, AAC and A-10 considered mid-majors or high-majors?
If the P5 ever breaks away I think these 3 leagues and the MWC come along for the ride.
Here's my stance: In college basketball, they are not considered mid-majors. I would consider them all major programs. It's almost as if there has been a blending of the term with the progress of some mid-majors that maybe only two terms should be used in college hoops: high majors and low majors. That is based on the individual school's academics, its ability to fund a program, and its ability to get quality recruits. College hoops is a different beast altogether.
But as far as college football is concerned, most definitely all three are mid-major, thusly the G5 designation or previous FCS name. If you are not a part of the P5, to them and the media as it pertains to football you are mid-major or FCS...in short you are beneath them.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
Sports Illustrated has been pretty consistent in promoting seven major conferences this year.
Quote:As you can see from this first batch of questions, we have reached the end-of-season awards parade. I'm happy to get in line. Here is a rundown of my Player of the Year, Coach of the Year and Freshman of the Year in the seven major conferences:
CUSA 1.0 was considered a major conference, then it became a mid major conference with a major program (Memphis)...according to the media. Gonzaga and their conference are treated the same way.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 01:45 PM)randaddyminer Wrote: well the pack of 5 better hurry up and split in football or they're going to have the same battle they're facing in basketball.
We've talked about this before, but it bears repeating: everything the Cartel has done regarding college football is to make sure it does not turn out like college basketball or, you know, every other college sport, i.e., an open, end of the year tournament between all schools/conferences that sponsor the sport at a certain level. March Madness is what the Cartel fears the most. A 16 team, champions only plus 6 committee selections would make a blisteringly greater pile of cash than the Cartel-sponsored CFP we're getting, but then the Cartel would lose control of the cash flow. They don't want a rising tide lifting all boats--they want a walled castle and peons working the fields and close to zero possibility of new brands being created.
#tldr, the Cartel is vile.
By the way, we advance a lot of crazy theories on this board, and one of the indisputably more insane ones is the idea that a Cartel-only basketball tournament would be worth more than the current March Madness. Opening rounds full of Nebraska-Baylor and Iowa-Tennessee? The networks are going to open the checkbooks for that? Uh huh.
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 01:36 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:
(03-21-2014 12:36 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:
(03-21-2014 12:26 AM)Chuck A Wrote: I realize it's a slow process, but I am so glad the mid-majors are narrowing the divide between them and the so-called high-majors of P5 schools. It has happened in some of the non-conference football games and in basketball, the notoriety mostly comes during the Big Dance.
Teams like an Ohio State, get their comeuppance during the Dance and make teams like Dayton and their fans feel so good and worthy, mostly because the Ohio States think they're too good to play and think they are above in-state teams like the Flyers. It still may take some years before the divide is almost non-existent, which is another reason I believe the P5 wants to have control and near autonomy, thus controlling the money. If everything is even or nearly even, what's the point in separating?
Good for Dayton, South Dakota State, Harvard and St. Louis. There will be more. Yeah, I'm a "mid-major" guy!
Not a good day for those "O" schools, like Oklahoma, and THE Ohio State University.
It was even worse for the "B" schools
Buckeyes- lost
Buffaloes- lost
Bearcats- lost
Broncos- lost
BYU- lost
Blue Hens- lost
The Badgers were the only B to survive.
my mistake, forgot to give credit to the Billikens and the Bison on Thursday.
Thursday B roll looks like-
Blue Devils- Lost
Bluejays- ???
Bulldogs- ???
Bruins- ???
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 02:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Ok for this discussion:
Are the Big East, AAC and A-10 considered mid-majors or high-majors?
If the P5 ever breaks away I think these 3 leagues and the MWC come along for the ride.
BIG EAST: NO
AAC: Probs (don't get me wrong, there are some big names and there is some fire power - I'm making my determination based on perception)
A-10: Yes (see AAC)
RE: So glad the "Mid-Majors" are knocking of the "Big Boys"
(03-21-2014 02:54 PM)Chuck A Wrote: ... But as far as college football is concerned, most definitely all three are mid-major, thusly the G5 designation or previous FCS name. If you are not a part of the P5, to them and the media as it pertains to football you are mid-major or FCS...in short you are beneath them.
First, the Big East and A-10 don't sponsor football, so as far as college football is concerned, those two are non-existent. Some of their members play FCS football, but in FCS conferences.
Second, the previous designation of the P5 and Go5 were BCS and non-BCS (or AQ and non-AQ) ... the Go5 are FBS conferences, the FCS is a different subdivision of Division 1 entirely.
The American was formally a BCS conference for one final year this last football season, since it wasn't worth the trouble to kick them out when the BCS system was being replaced by the CFP system next football season anyway. With American Conference BBall showing on The Entertainment and Sports Network, obviously the decision was made for this BBall season to draw the money ruler at the money being made by the American. That ruler brings in the P5 conferences and, probably not by preference, the new Big East, hence "seven majors".
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