My guess is it will be 2 (GBO) 2(NYC) & 1 in either ATL,DC or FL

(03-15-2014 01:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I kinda liked Charlotte. What's bad bout it?

Nothing in particular but there is a segment of the NC population that prefers to stay out of The Great State of Mecklenburg but I feel this is more about catering to tradition & opening the tourney to new areas

(03-15-2014 01:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I kinda liked Charlotte. What's bad bout it?

With Charlotte getting an extension on the football championship, I doubt they will be in any regular rotation for the basketball tournament.

(03-15-2014 01:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I kinda liked Charlotte. What's bad bout it?

North Carolina historically has had a great deal of "sectionalism." Charlotte is over in a western Piedmont corner of the state bordering South Carolina. It is a very large city in a state of small cities, small towns and rural areas. It's politics, it's not having a lot in common, it's resentments, that sort of thing.

A few years ago the state tipped over to having more people in metro areas than rural. Alliances, mutual interests, political power etc. are shifting and Charlotte will benefit. But traditionally people in the rest of the state just don't like Charlotte and Charlotte doesn't like the rest of the state.

All that said, I'm really just kidding. I like everybody, even if they are from Charlotte.

(03-15-2014 10:49 AM)XLance Wrote:  From a conversation yesterday at the tournament with "people in the know". The tournament will be in Greensboro at least 2 out of every 5 years moving forward.

I can live with that if Charlotte is more or less excluded and NYC still gets it as often as NC.

In a 7-8 year window:

- Anchor in NC (Greensboro/Charlotte) for 3 years

- Sub-anchor in NYC for 2 years

- Rotate in and around the "ACC" footprint such that the following locales can host once every 10 years (or so): Miami, Boston, Chicago, Tampa, Pittsburgh (Consol), Orlando, Indianapolis, Atlanta

I've accepted the fact that it will always be a rotation and that Greensboro will always be a huge part of that rotation, but honestly, the Providence-Creighton game at MSG made the UVa-Duke game at Greensboro look second rate. And that UVa-Duke game was one of the better ACC championship games in a while.

Think about that folks.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-17-2014 10:11 AM)omniorange Wrote:  I've accepted the fact that it will always be a rotation and that Greensboro will always be a huge part of that rotation, but honestly, the Providence-Creighton game at MSG made the UVa-Duke game at Greensboro look second rate. And that UVa-Duke game was one of the better ACC championship games in a while.

Think about that folks.

Cheers,
Neil

If you want to be taken seriously on a subject, don't say such dumb things.

(03-17-2014 10:13 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 10:11 AM)omniorange Wrote:  I've accepted the fact that it will always be a rotation and that Greensboro will always be a huge part of that rotation, but honestly, the Providence-Creighton game at MSG made the UVa-Duke game at Greensboro look second rate. And that UVa-Duke game was one of the better ACC championship games in a while.

Think about that folks.

Cheers,
Neil

If you want to be taken seriously on a subject, don't say such dumb things.

Nothing dumb about it. Just being honest.

Cheers,
Neil

How did it look second rate?

The crowd of 24,000 on hand?

The match up between two Top Ten teams?

Why don't you all just admit that if they put a midget rodeo in Madison Square Garden that you all would claim that it was the greatest thing you've ever seen?

With all apologies, and I sympathize with the newbies having to be weened from MSG for a bit, but...

I'm not watching a basketball game simply because it's staged at MSG. If that were the case, I'd pay money to see all of the Knicks home games. However, I don't want to pay (either with money or time) to see bad basketball when there are other options available to me.

No way in the world would I watch Providence/Creighton over Duke/Virginia, even if "Providence/Creighton" was staged in my back yard and 'they' gave me a free ticket. Those two schools don't do it for me -- I have no connection whatsoever with Providence. None.

I can understand Syracuse fans and their relationship with Providence, but as a long-time southern ACC fan, it doesn't move the needle.

(03-17-2014 10:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  With all apologies, and I sympathize with the newbies having to be weened from MSG for a bit, but...

No way in the world would I watch Providence/Creighton over Duke/Virginia, even if "Providence/Creighton" was staged in my back yard and 'they' gave me a free ticket. Those two schools don't do it for me -- I have no connection whatsoever with Providence. None.

I can understand Syracuse fans and their relationship with Providence, but as a long-time southern ACC fan, it doesn't move the needle.

Not talking about the match-up. Obviously UVa-Duke is the superior match-up. That's what makes it even more depressing.

I'm not even sure it's the venue per se, although that is probably part of it. It's more likely the time. Early Sunday afternoon championship games have to be awe-inspiring to be 'electric'.

Keep the rotation since that isn't going to change anyway. But move the championship game to Saturday night.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-17-2014 10:47 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 10:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  With all apologies, and I sympathize with the newbies having to be weened from MSG for a bit, but...

No way in the world would I watch Providence/Creighton over Duke/Virginia, even if "Providence/Creighton" was staged in my back yard and 'they' gave me a free ticket. Those two schools don't do it for me -- I have no connection whatsoever with Providence. None.

I can understand Syracuse fans and their relationship with Providence, but as a long-time southern ACC fan, it doesn't move the needle.

Not talking about the match-up. Obviously UVa-Duke is the superior match-up. That's what makes it even more depressing.

I'm not even sure it's the venue per se, although that is probably part of it. It's more likely the time. Early Sunday afternoon championship games have to be awe-inspiring to be 'electric'.

Keep the rotation since that isn't going to change anyway. But move the championship game to Saturday night.

Cheers,
Neil

This, I (and many others including Coach K) agree with -- the ACCT Final needs to be played on Saturday night "Prime Time" on ESPN.

In fact, I hope they move the 'semis' to a 7pm and 9:30 slot on Friday.

Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

If the NC ACCT fans are seemingly admitting that there will be some type of NYC/NC rotation and are willing to give NYC a 2:3 shake, why the reluctance to make it an equal 2:2 or 3:3 split?

(03-17-2014 01:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

If the NC ACCT fans are seemingly admitting that there will be some type of NYC/NC rotation and are willing to give NYC a 2:3 shake, why the reluctance to make it an equal 2:2 or 3:3 split?

It'll make the ACC tournament a bigger deal in the Northeast which makes it worth doing. National appeal beyond that will remain about the same.

I don't care what split they do.

(03-17-2014 10:20 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 10:13 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 10:11 AM)omniorange Wrote:  I've accepted the fact that it will always be a rotation and that Greensboro will always be a huge part of that rotation, but honestly, the Providence-Creighton game at MSG made the UVa-Duke game at Greensboro look second rate. And that UVa-Duke game was one of the better ACC championship games in a while.

Think about that folks.

Cheers,
Neil

If you want to be taken seriously on a subject, don't say such dumb things.

Nothing dumb about it. Just being honest.

Cheers,
Neil

I watched both games. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. I saw two basketball games. I didn't see anything about either venue that stood out. If they hadn't said on air where they were playing I and anyone else wouldn't have know.

I don't know how many of you were watching the ACC Network broadcast of the semi-finals but between games they interviewed Swofford. He talked about the rotation, said despite reports of a done deal in NYC there was nothing to announce at this time. He said Greensboro would always be a part of a rotation but they also wanted to embrace the new footprint with ACCTs in the northeast. I think the most important thing he said was that there wouldn't be a long term selection of sites. He said about five or six years ahead would be as far as they would go. QUALIFIER: This is based on memory so I might be off a little but that is what I remember hearing him say.

(03-17-2014 01:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

NO!

(03-17-2014 03:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

NO!

Figures. But another has already acknowledged there would be some increased appeal.

(03-18-2014 12:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

NO!

Figures. But another has already acknowledged there would be some increased appeal.

I would certainly acknowledge that there would be a difference in appeal within some parts of ACC fandom. But nationally? I don't see it. I think there's some hubris in thinking that non-ACC fans care where we play our tournament. They'll watch it if their own conference tournament isn't on at the same time, and if our game is more appealing based on which teams are playing. But for the most part, this is an internal issue.