(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

(03-09-2014 12:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

which blogger is that? (the one in your link)

(03-09-2014 12:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

That guy has an IQ 5 points lower than my dog. His advice is to trade Navy for the worst team in CUSA. He wants the AAC to trade Navy for Charlotte. I guess his next article will push the Big-12 to trade Oklahoma for Tulsa. That guys either a Charlotte alum or Tallgrass writing under a pseudonym.

(03-09-2014 01:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-09-2014 12:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

which blogger is that? (the one in your link)

I am not sure. I stumbled across the article. It seemed strange at first and then it made sense to me why an Olympic member will not be added, because ultimately it is about Navy and 9 conference football games. If Army doesn't join then it seems like the author expects Navy to leave the AAC, because Navy would be against 9 conference games due to existing annual games against Air Foce, Army and Notre Dame. The author makes good points as to why BYU, UNC-Charlotte or UTSA ultimately end up in the AAC, because UMASS is just to terrible for words and the AAC can't afford to add them. I thought it was a good article but probably to critical of the addition of Tulsa. On a side note the author seems to have actually performed some research to explain the AAC's expansion moves and the strength of the Tulane addition. I don't think that Navy is going to leave, but I must admit that the author did clearly explain an upcoming problem between the AAC and Navy. I had not even considered it a problem until the author pointed it out, which is becoming clearer considering all the major conferences are talking about 9 conference games.

(03-09-2014 02:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2014 12:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

That guy has an IQ 5 points lower than my dog. His advice is to trade Navy for the worst team in CUSA. He wants the AAC to trade Navy for Charlotte. I guess his next article will push the Big-12 to trade Oklahoma for Tulsa. That guys either a Charlotte alum or Tallgrass writing under a pseudonym.

I read the article to mean that he was saying that BYU might be a possibility for the AAC when thr major conferences go to 9 conference games. He is literally saying that Navy is going to balk at that attempt by the AAC and that Navy will probably leave, I think that some of his suggestions are a little off, but if UMass can't get it together then he is saying that Charlotte is a natural fit for the AAC.

(03-09-2014 02:18 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2014 02:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2014 12:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

That guy has an IQ 5 points lower than my dog. His advice is to trade Navy for the worst team in CUSA. He wants the AAC to trade Navy for Charlotte. I guess his next article will push the Big-12 to trade Oklahoma for Tulsa. That guys either a Charlotte alum or Tallgrass writing under a pseudonym.

I read the article to mean that he was saying that BYU might be a possibility for the AAC when thr major conferences go to 9 conference games. He is literally saying that Navy is going to balk at that attempt by the AAC and that Navy will probably leave, I think that some of his suggestions are a little off, but if UMass can't get it together then he is saying that Charlotte is a natural fit for the AAC.

Thats not what he says. He says he "would remove Navy". Frankly, I don't see Navy leaving on thier own. We are not going to 9 games. It serves no purpose in a 12 team league (especially a G5 league). Why would you want additional G5 opponents?

To me, the guys final conclusions are just off the rails. The guy talks about how awful UMass is, then his final conclusion is to add an equally horrible Charlotte. Its true, there are some logical observations--but he serves it with equal measures of pure gibberish.

The truth is that there is little reason for ANY G5 conference to go to 9 games. His whole reason for adding a 12th team is flawed. There is no real pressing need to have a 12th basketball team just becuase of scheduling. Off nights can very easily be filled when there are 340 D1 basketball programs. It's just not that big of an issue. In fact, 11 teams can play a home and home round robin--it could be argued thats the best schedule possible. The truth is adding a 12th team is more about improving the conference from a competetive RPI and NCAA bid standpoint than it is about scheduling.

Based on the current landscape and balance of power, there is really no single footbal team that we can add that would be of help the conference more than having Navy. There are a few teams that could help, but we can't realistically add them. BYU isn't coming and adding a single MW team isn't really possible. It's far easier to just add a basketball school or two to improve the conferences basketball standing than it is to find a single football team that would improve the conference.

If we were to move big, then yeah, adding 4-5 MW schools might be a viable option---but that's not what this guy is suggesting. Navy wont be leaving if we have an 8 game schedule and thats where we are going to be at for some time.

(03-09-2014 12:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 05:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Wichita State, VCU, SLU, and all these other schools get invited in then my vote is for UC, UCONN, and Memphis to bolt and find another home.

"... What The AAC Will Do:
Nothing. And that sucks. They are going to play with 11 basketball teams in 2015 and keep Navy for football, which will prevent the league from ever playing 9 conference games and ruins Navy's schedule forever due to 8 conference games and 3 games against Army, Air Force and Notre Dame on the schedule every year. In the end, no one will be happy... ."


http://stholeary.quora.com/The-AACs-Next...ealignment

Well, guess what...
What the MW will do: NOTHING

A key part of the original premise is that the AAC needs to act preemptively ahead of the Mountain West, but nowhere has anyone established that the Mountain West is poised or likely to make any sorts of movement.

In fact, the Mountain West has a worse record in acting proactively than even the old BE had. They could have acted proactively and added Boise State and Fresno State when those programs were at their height and they stubbornly refused which set up Utah and BYU and TCU to each leave the MW because the conference was failing to make adjustments. The MW only added Boise, Fresno, and Nevada as a reaction AFTER their flagship programs of TCU (left for the Big East), Utah (left for the PAC12), and BYU (left for independent FB and WCC) had departed the conference.

So... If you're going to argue that somehow the AAC ***needs*** to act ahead of another conference, it seems to me that you should establish the case that another conference is poised to do something. But the other conference ISN'T poised to do anything.

So the AAC can afford to wait. Wichita State isn't on the MW's radar and the MW has shown no inclination to act in the past. If the AAC decides to add WSU at some point, they will likely be there...when the time is right. Or UNC-Charlotte. Or VCU. Or...

The correct course of action is (IMO) for the American to hold pat for 5-7 years and let things play out.

(03-09-2014 02:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That guy has an IQ 5 points lower than my dog. His advice is to trade Navy for the worst team in CUSA. He wants the AAC to trade Navy for Charlotte. I guess his next article will push the Big-12 to trade Oklahoma for Tulsa. That guys either a Charlotte alum or Tallgrass writing under a pseudonym.

I thought he made some good points. I agree with the fixation of BYU, not that I think they would come. They would make a Western Division viable; but with them, you may not even need a real western division.

The Charlotte conclusion is odd. Just as soon throw Old Dominion in there. They have a huge student population, and that's necessary to ensure good budgets (a couple of hundred bucks of fees assessed to 30K students goes a long way), if you don't have a strong history in which wide donor base has been built, or if you're a smaller school, any of SMU's JR Ewings, or Tulane's Yulmans.

(03-09-2014 11:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  In fact, the Mountain West has a worse record in acting proactively than even the old BE had. They could have acted proactively and added Boise State and Fresno State when those programs were at their height and they stubbornly refused which set up Utah and BYU and TCU to each leave the MW because the conference was failing to make adjustments.

Utah would have left for the Pac 12 regardless of whatever the MWC did. If the MWC had managed to earn AQ status...maybe they could have held on to TCU and BYU. But the conference still might have lost those teams due to the MWC's poor TV contract.

(03-09-2014 12:02 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-09-2014 11:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  In fact, the Mountain West has a worse record in acting proactively than even the old BE had. They could have acted proactively and added Boise State and Fresno State when those programs were at their height and they stubbornly refused which set up Utah and BYU and TCU to each leave the MW because the conference was failing to make adjustments.

Utah would have left for the Pac 12 regardless of whatever the MWC did. If the MWC had managed to earn AQ status...maybe they could have held on to TCU and BYU. But the conference still might have lost those teams due to the MWC's poor TV contract.

For all we know, TCU, BYU, and Utah may have been schools strongly against adding Boise. I do know that the MW played a round robin and that EVERY team valued its annual game against BYU. I think that tended to tamp down the desire to expand.

(03-09-2014 12:02 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-09-2014 11:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  In fact, the Mountain West has a worse record in acting proactively than even the old BE had. They could have acted proactively and added Boise State and Fresno State when those programs were at their height and they stubbornly refused which set up Utah and BYU and TCU to each leave the MW because the conference was failing to make adjustments.

Utah would have left for the Pac 12 regardless of whatever the MWC did. If the MWC had managed to earn AQ status...maybe they could have held on to TCU and BYU. But the conference still might have lost those teams due to the MWC's poor TV contract.

Granted, Utah was gone for the PAC12 and the fact that the PAC was going to add Utah was inevitable once Orin Hatch began rattling charges of a Senate Anti-trust investigation of the NCAA and BCS. Don't get me wrong, I realize those things.

And yet, the MW has a well-proven history of NOT acting proactively... I forgot to add in San Diego State, which ALSO left the MW and has repeatedly expressed frustration with the MW leadership. But my point is merely that I think the premise is flawed.

Personally, I just cannot see either the AAC or MWC expanding anytime soon. The problem is that there are no other G5 schools that improve the quality of either conference. Army and BYU are just temptations. BYU is a lot like a baby ND, they like their independence and have a devoted following of fans and viewers. CUSA has been drained by the AAC...there's nothing left. The truth is that the only schools that would improve either the AAC or the MWC are in their own conferences. And at this time, none of the schools in the respective conferences believe they can do better by paying the exit fee and switching.

So, what will have to happen is a move by a P5 school to force vacancies in either the AAC or MWC. Only then will the next best schools consider jumping ship. Or, UT and OU (and their baggage) move and the B12 reloads.

(03-09-2014 04:48 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Personally, I just cannot see either the AAC or MWC expanding anytime soon. The problem is that there are no other G5 schools that improve the quality of either conference.

I'm guessing you haven't read the 35 page thread, which was about whether or not to add a 12th non-football school to improve the basketball league's RPI, earn more tournament credits and make scheduling a little easier. Oh and if so, what non-football school to add as #12.

Plus standard-issue forum digressions.

(03-08-2014 07:26 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Syracuse fan, your post haves so many holes is not even funny.

I don't want to be a grammar police, but this right here is pretty funny. Like when Joe Pesci said "the two yoots" in my cousin vinnie.

After the way we were all royally ****** by seeding this year, perhaps we should revisit this topic?

If anything, given the results tonight, it's the MW that should be viewed as the potential savior, not the other way around.... IF SDSU had come into the conference, they'd be looking at an NIT bid right now too...

(03-16-2014 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  After the way we were all royally ****** by seeding this year, perhaps we should revisit this topic?

At least you'll be okay at your future home (NC State getting in - yuck)...

But I do agree with you...

(03-16-2014 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  After the way we were all royally ****** by seeding this year, perhaps we should revisit this topic?

I agree

Hope Mike Aresco is on the horn with Wichita State and Dayton

(03-16-2014 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  After the way we were all royally ****** by seeding this year, perhaps we should revisit this topic?

while you guys can blame the OOC it is my opinion that the problem facing this conference is that you have 5 really good programs and 5 really really terrible programs.

raiding the mwc is:
1. not feasible
2. not gonna solve the problem

to solve the problem the weaker programs need to seriously invest in their BB programs ASAP

if you want to tackle this issue via conference realignment.....umass, Dayton, VCU, st louis & wsu.

(03-16-2014 06:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  raiding the mwc is:
1. not feasible
2. not gonna solve the problem

Raiding the MWC is not the topic of this thread.