Coach is going to have to fire some assistants and find some who can actually coach. It is obvious these guys cant get it done and we have had no continuity on our coaching staff. We are loaded with talent and cannot play with any consistency, intelligence or intensity. Maybe we are saving ourselves for the NCAAS but I think we are about to be one and done. Best case scenario we squeak out one win.

I say all this and I love Josh. I love all he brings to the table for our school and city but tonight was flat out embarrassing, and at home to top it off. I think some of our seniors have just mailed it in. They have been done awhile. They are either NBA bond or headed overseas to play for pay. I agree with 450Bencj Josh is and should be feeling the heat. I really have no word for tonight.

There is a group of people who are lobbying for Bruce Pearl and those cries are going to get louder. Say what you will about this man but he can flat out coach and do what Pastner has thusfar been unable to do..That is actually take a team to #1 during the season.

Pastner is learning but he cannot continue to have the staff turnover year in and year out. We run a very poor offense, do not recognize defensive sets and fail to make adjustments to other teams defensive sets. Defensively we are lazy and do not play together as a team. Nobody seems to understand where they should be and we are constantly leaving players wide open. It seems like every team has a player have their career night from 3 against us. Its not just bad luck or coincidence.

I dont know, I'm not a money man like the guys who are that make theses type decisions. I'm not trying to be ugly, just calling like I see it. We definitely had some chemistry issues and Joe Jackson for all his talent is a head case. Crawford can shoot lights out but makes some of the poorest choices at the worst times that lead to huge momentum swings. Josh needs to be able to recruit Memphis, but I think Johnson belonged at PG and Dixon at 2 guard. If he is still planning on living and dying with the 4 guard game we are done.

Our game needs to run through Shaq, Nichols and Pellom, and King when he is in and not these guards. Joe Jackson has unfortunately mailed it in and it is beginning to show. Crawford is only interested in shooting 3s, nevermind if there is 30 seconds still left on the shot clock and our bigs haven't made it into rebounding position. Geron and Dixon need to be the guard nucleus but it would kill Joshs local recruiting. I guess the best we can hope for is a favorable draw and that this team is embarrassed enough after tonight and comes out with something to prove.

Props goes out to Shaq and Nichols, they are undersized but play with heart. Nick King is full of hustle and I love the way he grabs boards. Pellom has been a great addition and it is sad that he has been hurting so much this year.

If I was one of the big money donors who made these decisions, I'm not sure what I would think right now. I would think a meeting of the minds is definitely in order after tonight. There is also the possibility that Josh moves on after the season, maybe he is the one who has mailed it in, and then who do you call. I don't think the 450Benchs disappearing post was so far off base. Several teams are going to come after Josh. He may take the right one, who knows, these guys are loyal like the hooker walking Brooks Rood.

So, lets say Josh leaves, gos to his dream team, who do we get to coach this team? What if we flame out in the NCAA against a lesser team? Does his record even matter? Yes I know we were top 25 and there is a certain amount of pub that goes with that, but the money comes from advancing in the NCAAS, something we have not done..yet. Nobody wants to see Josh turn this corner more than I do, but realistically, how much time does he have to get this done? If our seasons year after year are mediocre, do we not owe it to ourselves to at least look at our options at some point?

I'm sure I'll catch a lot of heat for this post but tonight was a flat out embarrassment. Where does the blame fall? If you are a big money booster, are you proactive or reactive? Do you put the blame on Josh or his assistants? Do you put it on the players and say mentally they just were carrying too much pressure? I don't know. I love Joe Jackson but he has never really become a true point guard. I think something has happened behind the scenes on this team we peons are not aware of, well maybe some of you super secret 10$ geniuses are.

I'm glad the decision(s) are not mine. Surely we can talk rationally about this teams under performance without attacking one another. I dont ever remember a defeat like tonight on National TV. If Pastner were to leave I bet a lot of you would be singing a different song. Are we going to let him catch us off guard like X? I love Coach P I really do, but I am not blind. After tonight's performance, I'm wondering if Josh has already struck another deal. No Pearls not squeaky clean but he is going to be a hot commodity very soon. His infractions I think are no longer infractions, yes he did lie and run around with Coeds, no that is not acceptable but doe he not deserve another chance? He has certainly paid a high price for his indiscretions.

Ok, I'm going to bed but I dont feel bad about stating obvious problems with this team.

Don't know what to say, but i do know this +2.

Lots of words, but +2 for title alone ...

Josh has not struck a deal. Nobody better than Memphis has ever asked for his services. He's not leaving for a lesser program. he's not an idiot.

Being where our program has been for the last 3 years is a very tough predicament.
Slightly above average really is the kiss of death.

As time ticks away, I believe it will be realized that Josh won't become what we are expecting at a top 15 program. being a good coach is a God given talent. It's a list of attributes that you have or don't have. It takes more than just working 24/7. Every coach works 24/7. It doesn't take almost a decade with our resources to make a tournament run.

I read all of that and +3. Agreed with most, if not all of it. Got me thinking about if Josh really does leave. Where do we go? Do we have any names? Something did seem eerily fishy similar to the Mizzou game, but maybe that's just me over-analyzing. I - as all of us on here, I'm assuming - love the city, the program, the university, the players, the coaches and want nothing more than the success for this basketball team. That's why we are all on here posting; because we are passionate. Some let their passion out in different ways but I truly believe we all want what will lead to wins and a positive image.

In my opinion, the man for that right now is in fact Josh. Maybe he can pull a wild card out of his hat and get us to the sweet 16. Wouldn't that be sweet.

Change #1 - Resign

My head hurts so I'm not reading all of that. I'm sure it's well thought out and coherent. A+


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first jmstiger, and now memphistigerpawr. folks, i know most of you think i'm a blowhard, but jmstiger and memphistigerpawr are cream of the crop posters. they aren't irrational. they don't post from the gut. when folks like these start posing questions some of the so-called "pastner haters" pose, one must take notice.

(03-14-2014 12:23 AM)bphenderson Wrote:  Change #1 - Resign

Swear to God I was going to post the very same thing...word for word

Best post on here ever. Only thing i might disagree with is that part about something happened behind the scenes we don't know about. It's felt that way to me ever since he got the job. Something's just not right.

Pastner's performance kind of remind me of Finch. He's able to bring in the talent and win enough games to have fairly decent seasons, yet is not able to take the team to the next level. I've only witnessed Kirk and Calipari do that. I think Pearl could do it if given the chance. And who knows, maybe even Pastner. But he has not done it so far. I think we'd have to make it to the Elite 8 this year for me to think Pastner has made it to the next level.

(03-14-2014 12:28 AM)scorpius Wrote:  Pastner's performance kind of remind me of Finch. He's able to bring in the talent and win enough games to have fairly decent seasons, yet is not able to take the team to the next level. I've only witnessed Kirk and Calipari do that. I think Pearl could do it if given the chance. And who knows, maybe even Pastner. But he has not done it so far. I think we'd have to make it to the Elite 8 this year for me to think Pastner has made it to the next level.

hell has truly frozen over. i am in agreement with a scorpius post.

(03-14-2014 12:30 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 12:28 AM)scorpius Wrote:  Pastner's performance kind of remind me of Finch. He's able to bring in the talent and win enough games to have fairly decent seasons, yet is not able to take the team to the next level. I've only witnessed Kirk and Calipari do that. I think Pearl could do it if given the chance. And who knows, maybe even Pastner. But he has not done it so far. I think we'd have to make it to the Elite 8 this year for me to think Pastner has made it to the next level.

hell has truly frozen over. i am in agreement with a scorpius post.

Elite 8??? you're joking right??? this team will be lucky to get past the first game let alone win
3 more

I just read all the words. Outstanding. Proactive all the way.

(03-14-2014 12:28 AM)scorpius Wrote:  Pastner's performance kind of remind me of Finch. He's able to bring in the talent and win enough games to have fairly decent seasons, yet is not able to take the team to the next level. I've only witnessed Kirk and Calipari do that. I think Pearl could do it if given the chance. And who knows, maybe even Pastner. But he has not done it so far. I think we'd have to make it to the Elite 8 this year for me to think Pastner has made it to the next level.

He's also like Coach Finch in his later days when he would just blindly substitute hoping for something good to happen.

(03-14-2014 12:31 AM)bphenderson Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 12:30 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 12:28 AM)scorpius Wrote:  Pastner's performance kind of remind me of Finch. He's able to bring in the talent and win enough games to have fairly decent seasons, yet is not able to take the team to the next level. I've only witnessed Kirk and Calipari do that. I think Pearl could do it if given the chance. And who knows, maybe even Pastner. But he has not done it so far. I think we'd have to make it to the Elite 8 this year for me to think Pastner has made it to the next level.

hell has truly frozen over. i am in agreement with a scorpius post.

Elite 8??? you're joking right??? this team will be lucky to get past the first game let alone win
3 more

i think scorpius was stating his preseason expectations. i've been saying for weeks we won't make the sweet sixteen. i'd love to be proven wrong.

I would be shocked if we made it to the Elite 8. But if we did, I think most of us would be worshiping Pastner again.

(03-14-2014 12:30 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 12:28 AM)scorpius Wrote:  Pastner's performance kind of remind me of Finch. He's able to bring in the talent and win enough games to have fairly decent seasons, yet is not able to take the team to the next level. I've only witnessed Kirk and Calipari do that. I think Pearl could do it if given the chance. And who knows, maybe even Pastner. But he has not done it so far. I think we'd have to make it to the Elite 8 this year for me to think Pastner has made it to the next level.

hell has truly frozen over. i am in agreement with a scorpius post.

I promise I was going to say the exact same thing. Let me check the celestial patterns. Hold on...x



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Nice post JM. We definitely need stronger assistants that specialize in certain areas. All of us have been hearing this a while now. It's time for it to happen, for the sake of our program.

Josh needs to commit to an offense/defense philosophy. Elite teams and coaches are committed to running their stuff and imposing their style of play. Josh continues to waffle around on this matter.