Shocking I know. Madcow doing the Regime's propaganda as usual. The leftists would make you think Bush left office yesterday. How pathetic are these people....

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow charged Monday that the George W. Bush administration’s Middle East policy has steered America’s current security policy and response to global crises — including the one in Ukraine.

Talking about her new documentary, “Why We Did It,” involving circumstances leading to the Iraq War, Maddow told MSNBC colleague Andrea Mitchell that the Bush administration is largely responsible for the nation’s current course overseas.

“The decisions of our generation on national security are determined more than anything by what the George W. Bush administration did with that nine-year war in Iraq and, alongside it, a 13-year war in Afghanistan that’s still going on,” she told Mitchell. “And the American people are against those wars.”

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/ukrain...dgetphase1

She's done a wonderful job riding that news station into the ground.

I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

You know, his glasses don't even look like prescription glasses... I seriously think that he's just shooting to be a hipster.

By blaming Bush, he's just being racist, because he knows damn good and well that if he blames anything on obama then he'll be called a racist, so when it's all said and done, he's the true racist.

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

Snap out of the dumbassery

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

It's like we know their playbook. If the Bush card doesn't hold up the race card will make it's appearance, some how some way. lol

(03-04-2014 11:47 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

I don't want the United States to get involved with in this mess. I think that majority of America would agree with me on that.

(03-04-2014 11:46 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  You know, his glasses don't even look like prescription glasses... I seriously think that he's just shooting to be a hipster.

By blaming Bush, he's just being racist, because he knows damn good and well that if he blames anything on obama then he'll be called a racist, so when it's all said and done, he's the true racist.

I see what you did there.

(03-04-2014 11:46 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  You know, his glasses don't even look like prescription glasses... I seriously think that he's just shooting to be a hipster.

By blaming Bush, he's just being racist, because he knows damn good and well that if he blames anything on obama then he'll be called a racist, so when it's all said and done, he's the true racist.

He

(03-04-2014 11:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:47 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

I don't want the United States to get involved with in this mess. I think that majority of America would agree with me on that.

There is a vast difference in getting physically involved and having a President who projects respect and power so this can be defused and having a weak President who had rather focus on gay football players and his golf game that the world laughs at.

(03-04-2014 11:59 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:47 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

I don't want the United States to get involved with in this mess. I think that majority of America would agree with me on that.

There is a vast difference in getting physically involved and having a President who projects respect and power so this can be defused and having a weak President who had rather focus on gay football players and his golf game that the world laughs at.

Maybe he should have invited Putin over to his house like Bush did. Look into his eyes and see his soul.

Is this the kind of leadership you desire?

(03-04-2014 12:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:59 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:47 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who would want that.

So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

I don't want the United States to get involved with in this mess. I think that majority of America would agree with me on that.

There is a vast difference in getting physically involved and having a President who projects respect and power so this can be defused and having a weak President who had rather focus on gay football players and his golf game that the world laughs at.

Maybe he should have invited Putin over to his house like Bush did. Look into his eyes and see his soul.

Is this the kind of leadership you desire?

If he got face to face with Putin under today's situation, Obama would piss down his leg.

(03-04-2014 12:01 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 12:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:59 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:47 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

I don't want the United States to get involved with in this mess. I think that majority of America would agree with me on that.

There is a vast difference in getting physically involved and having a President who projects respect and power so this can be defused and having a weak President who had rather focus on gay football players and his golf game that the world laughs at.

Maybe he should have invited Putin over to his house like Bush did. Look into his eyes and see his soul.

Is this the kind of leadership you desire?

If he got face to face with Putin under today's situation, Obama would piss down his leg.

The bigger point however is that Bush tried tough talk and that didn't stop Putin from invading Georgia. So I seriously doubt that Obama could have done anything different.

(03-04-2014 12:01 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 12:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:59 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:47 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  So you agree, Obama being a President that could care less about foreign affairs and not having a clue what to do, as he proved in Syria, is George Bush's fault. Whatever you libs need to think to get you through the day.

I don't want the United States to get involved with in this mess. I think that majority of America would agree with me on that.

There is a vast difference in getting physically involved and having a President who projects respect and power so this can be defused and having a weak President who had rather focus on gay football players and his golf game that the world laughs at.

Maybe he should have invited Putin over to his house like Bush did. Look into his eyes and see his soul.

Is this the kind of leadership you desire?

If he got face to face with Putin under today's situation, Obama would piss down his leg.

Face to face Meeting:
Putin Obama

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

So her assertion is that she would rather battle the sophisticated Russian military in armed combat over Ukraine then battle the aged armed forces of Iraq and bringing the WOT to the terrorists in Afghanistan?

If this is so, then thankfully Rachel Maddow is not a defense consultant as she seems incapable of making smart military and foreign policy decisions.

Quote:"The decisions of our generation on national security are determined more than anything by what the George W. Bush administration did with that nine-year war in Iraq and, alongside it, a 13-year war in Afghanistan that’s still going on,” she told Mitchell. "And the American people are against those wars.”

"Those are the determinative constraints for our thinking about everything,” she continued, "from Crimea, to Syria, to what the overall size of the U.S. military is."

I'm wondering what her angle is here. Is she upset about those "constraints"?

I would hope that with or without Iraq/Afghanistan, that enough people would have enough sense to realize that committing troops to Ukraine and getting into a real, direct conflict with Russia - something we avoided for decades during the height of the Cold War - over a sliver of an old Soviet satellite would be a bad idea. Not to mention some sinkhole in Syria.

(03-04-2014 01:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

Quote:"The decisions of our generation on national security are determined more than anything by what the George W. Bush administration did with that nine-year war in Iraq and, alongside it, a 13-year war in Afghanistan that’s still going on,” she told Mitchell. "And the American people are against those wars.”

"Those are the determinative constraints for our thinking about everything,” she continued, "from Crimea, to Syria, to what the overall size of the U.S. military is."

I'm wondering what her angle is here. Is she upset about those "constraints"?

I would hope that with or without Iraq/Afghanistan, that enough people would have enough sense to realize that committing troops to Ukraine and getting into a real, direct conflict with Russia - something we avoided for decades during the height of the Cold War - over a sliver of an old Soviet satellite would be a bad idea. Not to mention some sinkhole in Syria.

Yes, it's common sense not to get in an armend conflict with Russia. But, in order to deflect and shield any attacks on Obama for the current situation, she has to bring up Bush. It's MSNBC 101 and it was easy to see coming.

(03-04-2014 12:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

So her assertion is that she would rather battle the sophisticated Russian military in armed combat over Ukraine then battle the aged armed forces of Iraq and bringing the WOT to the terrorists in Afghanistan?

If this is so, then thankfully Rachel Maddow is not a defense consultant as she seems incapable of making smart military and foreign policy decisions.

I think what she is saying is that the Iraq conflict put us in a position that we can no longer tell other countries that it is unacceptable to invade a country under false pretences.

(03-04-2014 01:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 12:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think she is talking about the fact that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have made it so that the American people are weary of war and aren't interested in getting involved in the Ukraine.

So her assertion is that she would rather battle the sophisticated Russian military in armed combat over Ukraine then battle the aged armed forces of Iraq and bringing the WOT to the terrorists in Afghanistan?

If this is so, then thankfully Rachel Maddow is not a defense consultant as she seems incapable of making smart military and foreign policy decisions.

I think what she is saying is that the Iraq conflict put us in a position that we can no longer tell other countries that it is unacceptable to invade a country under false pretences.

The blame should be placed on FDR, who during a period of profoundly ill health and weakness before his death, agreed to give Stalin a hegemonic influence over Eastern Europe. Ironically, this occurred at the Yalta Conference on the Crimea.