(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

I don't know. I would have a hard time answering the marriage question. The Divorce rate has had me stumped for years. My best guess would be that love is being discussed at a much younger age now and kids just out of high school begin to start thinking about who they are going to marry instead of how they are going to get through college.

I have a friend who is a few years younger than me, and has been engaged three separate times, married once, and divorced once. I told her she needs to take a break.

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

It seems like the whole argument is over the word, not the actual practice. They're just really concerned with it being called marriage.

Good lord!

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Are you really serious?

(02-26-2014 10:43 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

It seems like the whole argument is over the word, not the actual practice. They're just really concerned with it being called marriage.

I disagree. The point is in the details. For example:

Quote:I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes.

This implies that for a gay person to get the same rights as a straight married person, the couple have to be together for two years. I could go to Vegas and marry a stripper the day I meet her and get the married breaks married couples get.

Seems a double standard, no?

(02-26-2014 10:45 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Are you really serious?

He doesn't realize that I love my fiance deeply and would like to spend the rest of my life with her as her husband.

Why the hell should our religion mean a damn thing?

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Marriage is not a christian practice. It's a practice that people of all religions or no religion take part in. I don't even think the origins of marriage are relevant. Christianity has had no problem stealing pagan holidays and making them its own over the years. Marriage has evolved into something run by the state and the state is not allowed to discriminate.

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Listen I'm no authority on the matter and I truly do feel your pain. My instinct is to fix it by simply waiving my magic wand and making everyone happy but obviously that's not going to happen. You sound so bitter and that just doesn't register with me in this country. Be happy my friend, we're all free. The earth will never allow for total freedom but here in America we do pretty good.

(02-26-2014 10:50 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Listen I'm no authority on the matter and I truly do feel your pain. My instinct is to fix it by simply waiving my magic wand and making everyone happy but obviously that's not going to happen. You sound so bitter and that just doesn't register with me in this country. Be happy my friend, we're all free. The earth will never allow for total freedom but here in America we do pretty good.

... What the **** are you talking about?

Are you drunk? Or stoned?

You keep evading all sorts of rational discussion in favor of stating these... I don't even know what they are.

Chiefs, Atlanta, sorry for breaking the civility, but... ugh.

(02-26-2014 10:47 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Marriage is not a christian practice. It's a practice that people of all religions or no religion take part in. I don't even think the origins of marriage are relevant. Christianity has had no problem stealing pagan holidays and making them its own over the years. Marriage has evolved into something run by the state and the state is not allowed to discriminate.

This is the biggest driving point here.

(02-26-2014 10:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

What right is being denied a homosexual? If your speaking of a wedding. Have the wedding. Just don't call it getting married. We like to think of that term as a Christian ceremony. If you are speaking of humans excepting the act of sodomy as consummation of the homosexual bonding, that'll never happen. The relationship can not be consummated so in our minds it is not a marriage. What homo"SEXUALS" do behind closed doors is between them and ohh their parents i guess. NO ONE CARES. Sorry we truly don't care. I say if two individuals live together for more than two years they should qualify for ALL rights granted a married couple in the governments eyes. If this couple can provide a stable home then they should be encouraged to adopt children in need. What else is there?

The concept that only Christians can get married is completely and utterly ridiculous.

(02-26-2014 04:53 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 04:41 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 04:30 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 04:23 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Many do have a problem with those that want to force Churches, Synagogues and Mosque to teach their definition of Marraige through legislation.

What legislation would force churches to do this?

Hate speech legislation. You would not see as many of these far reaching legislative initiatives such as the one in Arizona had some far left activist and gay rights advocates not want to have any speach against gay marraige or homosexuality silenced, even from the pulpit by legislation.

Examples?

Neo-Nazi's can still apply and receive permits to hold public rallies spouting some retty hardcore hate. I don't think churches really are in danger of being censored by anybody except the court of public opinion.

Anytime I see someone use the term Neo-Nazi it raises a red flag with me. It’s used more often than not by individuals and organizations that don’t agree with certain religious and conservative views. In recent political debate it’s been a label used by Marxist that don’t respect or want freedom of speech for those that don’t identify with their Ideology. And just because you have not paid attention to the extremes on both sides of the debate or even care that such a movement exist, doesn’t make it science fiction.

Feel free to use the search bar on your web browser although I doubt you are seriously interested.

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

And I woudly simply point to the many actions of those that were not Christian; Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.

(02-26-2014 11:21 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:19 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Didn't answer mine either.

I truly didn't think the questions we asked were difficult.

This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts--I really love this Jesus. It's the Jesus who sets it all aside--the whole equality with God thing, the whole Divine Being of the Universe, the whole Son of God deal--and kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of these. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel.

So what about the above comment suggest to you that I'm somehow the go to person for the answer to this question: Quick Question: As a Christian, why should I be concerned whether or not the leaders of the country are Christians?

The short answer to all of your very profound and very deeeeeeeep and thought provoking questions is that humans are in control here. No need to take it any further than that. Don't miss the boat fellas.

So when I ask why people who say they follow the teachings of the Christ you love intentionally oppress the rights of others, you answer is simply "humans are in charge"?

My questions weren't about Jesus. They were about the men who say they follow Jesus.

And I woudly simply point to the many actions of those that were not Christian; Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.

Do you deny that the Crusades happened? When Christians tore through the Middle East, slaughtering non-Christians "in the name of God"?

See, I can bring up irrelevant religious points, too.