(02-17-2014 03:53 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Check the useage of the bigs in those games.....

(02-17-2014 03:27 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I might not be recalling this right but was this the difference between the first and second time we played OK State?

The "useage" is that thing that hangs down in the back of your throat?

(02-17-2014 04:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  Defense has actually been pretty good the past month, other than the SMU game. Defense was even pretty good the last game vs UConn, held them under 40%, just got called for too many fouls and Napier made some crazy, unguardable shots. I prefer solid half court defense to the full court press, because our press got broken way too often. Shaq is also becoming something of a rim protector, he's had a lot of blocks lately.

We play each of our guards almost 30 mpg, so there's not a lot of gas in the tank to go hard on offense and then turn around and press full court every possession.

(02-17-2014 04:33 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 03:53 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Check the useage of the bigs in those games.....

(02-17-2014 03:27 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I might not be recalling this right but was this the difference between the first and second time we played OK State?

The "useage" is that thing that hangs down in the back of your throat?

Not sure you want to ask CUSA News about the things that hang down his throat.

(02-17-2014 04:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  Could be because we play 3 of our 4 guards at the same time leaving only 1 to sub in fresh legs.

Winner-Winner-Chicken Dinner!

With only 1 guard on the bench to sub for 3 there’s no way we can press frequently less more all game long.

Josh, and no one on his staff obviously, is a good press coach. We have the guards but we got no containment and very poor decision making and very few turnovers while running the press. We have the guards to do it, but would need to play King, Iverson and Wilson a whole lot more. Woodson and Nichols are fast enough and Pellom is not 100%.

A good press, like Finch ran often, can really rattle the other team, but a bad press just gives them easy baskets. We were doing that a lot. I remember Perry and Gibson pressed Baylor to start the second half in the NCAAs and Baylor spent several minutes without even getting across the half court line.

Previous posters are also correct that if all your guards are always on the court, they can't press effectively anyway. You have to go all out for the press to be effective. We are running though, every chance we get, and that has been improving all season. Some of the fast breaks against UCONN were amazing and not necessarily off of turnovers, just rebounding, etc. You could tell UCONN was really tired midway through the second half, they're used to milking the clock down every possession.

(02-17-2014 04:49 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  Could be because we play 3 of our 4 guards at the same time leaving only 1 to sub in fresh legs.

Winner-Winner-Chicken Dinner!

With only 1 guard on the bench to sub for 3 there’s no way we can press frequently less more all game long.

Without playing Iverson, Wilson and King that is.

(02-17-2014 04:34 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  Defense has actually been pretty good the past month, other than the SMU game. Defense was even pretty good the last game vs UConn, held them under 40%, just got called for too many fouls and Napier made some crazy, unguardable shots. I prefer solid half court defense to the full court press, because our press got broken way too often. Shaq is also becoming something of a rim protector, he's had a lot of blocks lately.

We play each of our guards almost 30 mpg, so there's not a lot of gas in the tank to go hard on offense and then turn around and press full court every possession.

No argument from me there. I'm ok with playing solid man to man the majority of the time, and every now and then throwing in a zone or press when the situation calls for it. Another thing with the press is you really need to have tall, long athletes for it to be most effective. Our guards are quick, but not quite long enough to get the steals and deflections needed for a great press. At the beginning of the year Pastner was hoping King or Iverson would be in there.

(02-17-2014 05:05 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:34 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  Defense has actually been pretty good the past month, other than the SMU game. Defense was even pretty good the last game vs UConn, held them under 40%, just got called for too many fouls and Napier made some crazy, unguardable shots. I prefer solid half court defense to the full court press, because our press got broken way too often. Shaq is also becoming something of a rim protector, he's had a lot of blocks lately.

We play each of our guards almost 30 mpg, so there's not a lot of gas in the tank to go hard on offense and then turn around and press full court every possession.

No argument from me there. I'm ok with playing solid man to man the majority of the time, and every now and then throwing in a zone or press when the situation calls for it. Another thing with the press is you really need to have tall, long athletes for it to be most effective. Our guards are quick, but not quite long enough to get the steals and deflections needed for a great press. At the beginning of the year Pastner was hoping King or Iverson would be in there.

Yup, a back court of 6'4", 6'5" and 6'8" would be really nice for defensive purposes.

(02-17-2014 04:12 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  It was not effective so it had to go.

I thought we were talking about the press, not Frank.

(02-17-2014 03:22 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  OK, let's talk about the full-court press.

We practiced it in the pre-season. It was talked about as a good way to use all our depth at guard.

We got into playing games and it was never very effective. After the Orlando tourney, or some time in December, we made a "course correction", re-emphasized the half-court defense, and pretty much abandoned the press.

So, was our personnel not suited to the press, was our coaching staff not able to come up with a version that worked, or what? I would seriously like to hear some discussion of that issue.

Have the coaches commented on why we had to abandon the press? How much was the decision to abandon it tied to the rules changes to prevent hand-checking? I have seen Louisville still use full-court pressure effectively, so they can still do it within the rules.

You only need one poster to help you out with this and that is the professor from Canada. Everyone else isn't qualified.

(02-17-2014 03:44 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Scrapped after the first OSU game. Where have you been?

Changed your mind, huh?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-666067-post-101...id10147685

(02-17-2014 04:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  Could be because we play 3 of our 4 guards at the same time leaving only 1 to sub in fresh legs.

(02-17-2014 04:49 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  Could be because we play 3 of our 4 guards at the same time leaving only 1 to sub in fresh legs.

Winner-Winner-Chicken Dinner!

With only 1 guard on the bench to sub for 3 there’s no way we can press frequently less more all game long.

I think many of us assumed we'd keep two guards fresh a good deal of the time. 40 minutes of hell. But I keep thinking we'll run our offense through Shaq and Nichols, so I've just stopped thinking about it.

You should know... you have a lot of "things" hanging in the back of your throat on a regular basis..

(02-17-2014 04:33 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 03:53 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Check the useage of the bigs in those games.....

(02-17-2014 03:27 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I might not be recalling this right but was this the difference between the first and second time we played OK State?

The "useage" is that thing that hangs down in the back of your throat?

Memphis will win the next three games...everyone will be in a much better mood as a ranked, 22-6 (11-4) Memphis squad plays Louisville at FedExForum...

(02-17-2014 05:51 PM)georgiatiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:49 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  Could be because we play 3 of our 4 guards at the same time leaving only 1 to sub in fresh legs.

Winner-Winner-Chicken Dinner!

With only 1 guard on the bench to sub for 3 there’s no way we can press frequently less more all game long.

I think many of us assumed we'd keep two guards fresh a good deal of the time. 40 minutes of hell. But I keep thinking we'll run our offense through Shaq and Nichols, so I've just stopped thinking about it.

TBO, I never heard CJP talk about 40mins of hell. He would mention running and pressure to keep the games fast. But the one that was constantly preaching "Ark. type 40mins of hell" was...was...ah, I won't even mention him, his fans would be all over me. But that was the insider information that was wrote about in every other post before the season started. Put the worm on and then

(02-17-2014 07:33 PM)geedog50 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 05:51 PM)georgiatiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:49 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  Could be because we play 3 of our 4 guards at the same time leaving only 1 to sub in fresh legs.

Winner-Winner-Chicken Dinner!

With only 1 guard on the bench to sub for 3 there’s no way we can press frequently less more all game long.

I think many of us assumed we'd keep two guards fresh a good deal of the time. 40 minutes of hell. But I keep thinking we'll run our offense through Shaq and Nichols, so I've just stopped thinking about it.

TBO, I never heard CJP talk about 40mins of hell. He would mention running and pressure to keep the games fast. But the one that was constantly preaching "Ark. type 40mins of hell" was...was...ah, I won't even mention him, his fans would be all over me. But that was the insider information that was wrote about in every other post before the season started. Put the worm on and then

I just threw in "40 minutes of hell" for the, umm, helluva it. I did think we'd be throwing fresh guards out there constantly, but that was just a passive observation. Same as wondering why we don't go through Shaq and Nichols. I've got other questions, but what the hell do I know. I'm just a confused fan.

(02-17-2014 04:35 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 04:33 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 03:53 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Check the useage of the bigs in those games.....

(02-17-2014 03:27 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I might not be recalling this right but was this the difference between the first and second time we played OK State?

The "useage" is that thing that hangs down in the back of your throat?

Not sure you want to ask CUSA News about the things that hang down his throat.

CUSA has a story he needs to get out. There's a reason he's so angry.

40 minutes of hell will not work anymore with the new rules. Mike Anderson is struggling now. Nolan's teams would hand check the hell out of us, but we would get a foul called when we did it to them. We lost a game because of it. I don't remember which one of our guards late in a close game with them got hand checked hard may be even causing a TO, and when he did it to them was called for a foul. It was the difference in the game. It was a while back and I don't remember the details.

(02-17-2014 09:36 PM)stoby Wrote:  40 minutes of hell will not work anymore with the new rules. Mike Anderson is struggling now. Nolan's teams would hand check the hell out of us, but we would get a foul called when we did it to them. We lost a game because of it. I don't remember which one of our guards late in a close game with them got hand checked hard may be even causing a TO, and when he did it to them was called for a foul. It was the difference in the game. It was a while back and I don't remember the details.

Chris Garner on Corey Beck, we were up by one, he hit both free throws, Wimmer missed a shot at the buzzer to lose, it was a good look though. Now days, they won't call anything at the end of the clock unless its Witherspoon trying to get a rebound.