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I thought that came last year.

(02-16-2014 10:28 AM)KevinMac Wrote:  Yeah, it's typical. We win a game and the thread is full of posts about how we can get a double-bye in the tournament and give JJ the coach of the year award. We lose and threads discuss how we are the worst program in D-1 history and the house needs to be cleaned after less than a season.

We have a very young team with no depth and no size playing for a new coach in a new conference while coming off a disaster of a season. This team is is going to be schizophrenic. They are going to look like conference contenders one day and like an NAIA team the next. We need to not get so high after wins and low after losses this season. This team will probably be like this until next January. We won't know what we have with these players and this staff for another year at least. It sucks, but that's just the way it is. We are going to have to either wait for Jones & Co to prove they are good, or we are going to have wasted years while we see they can't cut it before starting over.

Tulsa is a good team. They had a couple bad games early on, but overall they were competitive against a very tough non-conference schedule. They played Creighton, Maryland, MoState, & Oklahoma very tough on the road. And they beat USM, the team that two weeks ago many of you proclaimed the far and away best team in the conference.

It was an embarrassing loss, but not totally unexpected. Just please, for the sake of sanity, after we get plastered by LT let's not proclaim the end of the program. And, after we win 4 of the last 5, let's not call ourselves CUSA Tourney contenders. We are neither.

This wasn't just a loss. It was the worst loss in school history. You seem to be ignoring that fact.

(02-16-2014 02:15 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  I understand that in treatment you have to hit rock bottom to get better. This should be our rock bottom.

Holy cow, this is not rock bottom.

(02-16-2014 03:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 10:28 AM)KevinMac Wrote:  Yeah, it's typical. We win a game and the thread is full of posts about how we can get a double-bye in the tournament and give JJ the coach of the year award. We lose and threads discuss how we are the worst program in D-1 history and the house needs to be cleaned after less than a season.

We have a very young team with no depth and no size playing for a new coach in a new conference while coming off a disaster of a season. This team is is going to be schizophrenic. They are going to look like conference contenders one day and like an NAIA team the next. We need to not get so high after wins and low after losses this season. This team will probably be like this until next January. We won't know what we have with these players and this staff for another year at least. It sucks, but that's just the way it is. We are going to have to either wait for Jones & Co to prove they are good, or we are going to have wasted years while we see they can't cut it before starting over.

Tulsa is a good team. They had a couple bad games early on, but overall they were competitive against a very tough non-conference schedule. They played Creighton, Maryland, MoState, & Oklahoma very tough on the road. And they beat USM, the team that two weeks ago many of you proclaimed the far and away best team in the conference.

It was an embarrassing loss, but not totally unexpected. Just please, for the sake of sanity, after we get plastered by LT let's not proclaim the end of the program. And, after we win 4 of the last 5, let's not call ourselves CUSA Tourney contenders. We are neither.

This wasn't just a loss. It was the worst loss in school history. You seem to be ignoring that fact.

Everyone knows that but you're mad at and blaming the wrong person.

Listened to JJ after the game and he sounded upset at one player who apparently instead of running a play to counter their looks, did his own thing on three consecutive plays to open the game.

Found that interesting.


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I know this is an off year and we aren't all that good but I never expected us to get beat that badly. Oh well, I just hope Jeff Jones recruits some good new players so we can improve. I can't take multiple years of having people continually beat us.

(02-16-2014 04:25 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 10:28 AM)KevinMac Wrote:  Yeah, it's typical. We win a game and the thread is full of posts about how we can get a double-bye in the tournament and give JJ the coach of the year award. We lose and threads discuss how we are the worst program in D-1 history and the house needs to be cleaned after less than a season.

We have a very young team with no depth and no size playing for a new coach in a new conference while coming off a disaster of a season. This team is is going to be schizophrenic. They are going to look like conference contenders one day and like an NAIA team the next. We need to not get so high after wins and low after losses this season. This team will probably be like this until next January. We won't know what we have with these players and this staff for another year at least. It sucks, but that's just the way it is. We are going to have to either wait for Jones & Co to prove they are good, or we are going to have wasted years while we see they can't cut it before starting over.

Tulsa is a good team. They had a couple bad games early on, but overall they were competitive against a very tough non-conference schedule. They played Creighton, Maryland, MoState, & Oklahoma very tough on the road. And they beat USM, the team that two weeks ago many of you proclaimed the far and away best team in the conference.

It was an embarrassing loss, but not totally unexpected. Just please, for the sake of sanity, after we get plastered by LT let's not proclaim the end of the program. And, after we win 4 of the last 5, let's not call ourselves CUSA Tourney contenders. We are neither.

This wasn't just a loss. It was the worst loss in school history. You seem to be ignoring that fact.

Everyone knows that but you're mad at and blaming the wrong person.

I'm blaming everybody involved with the program for the last 4 years.

(02-16-2014 05:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I'm blaming everybody involved with the program for the last 4 years.

I know, let's fire Big Blue!

This all boils down to a few simple truths:

1. Blaine Taylor did a terrible job of recruiting the last few years and left any successor a huge challenge, whether John Wooden, Dean Smith or Jeff Jones.

2. Jeff Jones is going to need 2-3 years to turn things around with recruiting. Expecting him to have great 2014 recruits in this short period of time and starting late is unrealistic. Let's see what he can do in the 2015 and 2016 classes and then judge him.

3. Jeff Jones is making the best of a bad situation this year and should be commended for the team's 6-5 C-USA record.

4. This team has exceeded expectations and should be commended for playing hard almost every game. They just are not capable of doing any more than they are doing.

5. The margin for error in any game they play is razor thin. They are going to have some bad games against the best teams and an occasional blow out is inevitable.

6. Next year should be considerably better adding a good scoring guard, Trey Freeman, a big man with reportedly some offensive skills, Biberaj, and a big shooing guard who showed some flashes last year, Deion Clark. If Jones can bring in a big body JUCO C or PF then we should have a lot less misery next year and maybe a chance for some postseason play.

Number 2 simply is not true. Coaches that are good recruiters don't take two years to start seeing improved players on the court. This is just a myth that was started on this board by those who don't want anyone to pay attention to the fact that we have no 2014 recruiting class.

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(02-16-2014 06:05 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  This all boils down to a few simple truths:

1. Blaine Taylor did a terrible job of recruiting the last few years and left any successor a huge challenge, whether John Wooden, Dean Smith or Jeff Jones.

2. Jeff Jones is going to need 2-3 years to turn things around with recruiting. Expecting him to have great 2014 recruits in this short period of time and starting late is unrealistic. Let's see what he can do in the 2015 and 2016 classes and then judge him.

3. Jeff Jones is making the best of a bad situation this year and should be commended for the team's 6-5 C-USA record.

4. This team has exceeded expectations and should be commended for playing hard almost every game. They just are not capable of doing any more than they are doing.

5. The margin for error in any game they play is razor thin. They are going to have some bad games against the best teams and an occasional blow out is inevitable.

6. Next year should be considerably better adding a good scoring guard, Trey Freeman, a big man with reportedly some offensive skills, Biberaj, and a big shooing guard who showed some flashes last year, Deion Clark. If Jones can bring in a big body JUCO C or PF then we should have a lot less misery next year and maybe a chance for some postseason play.

Great post Pretty much says it all. Excellent!

(02-16-2014 05:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 05:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I'm blaming everybody involved with the program for the last 4 years.

I know, let's fire Big Blue!

Hey. Lighten up. No one is better at stealing cheerleader or dancer pom poms.

Skerry brought in quality players nearly right away and Towson went from 1-31 to a winning record in 2 years.

Jeff jones has brought in no one of consequence (freeman was already headed here, I'm sure of that) in nearly a year.
Stop the madness.

Also, random thought, how god awful was anichebe that he wasn't even allowed to fill out a jersey for us????? We kept Anton, but anichebe couldn't stay?

I can't even imagine how bad he must have been that this team didn't need him or couldn't use him.

(02-16-2014 09:09 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 05:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 05:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I'm blaming everybody involved with the program for the last 4 years.

I know, let's fire Big Blue!

Hey. Lighten up. No one is better at stealing cheerleader or dancer pom poms.

Jeff jones might have been at one time.........

(02-16-2014 09:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Skerry brought in quality players nearly right away and Towson went from 1-31 to a winning record in 2 years.

Jeff jones has brought in no one of consequence (freeman was already headed here, I'm sure of that) in nearly a year.
Stop the madness.

Also, random thought, how god awful was anichebe that he wasn't even allowed to fill out a jersey for us????? We kept Anton, but anichebe couldn't stay?

I can't even imagine how bad he must have been that this team didn't need him or couldn't use him.

It may be a case that Anichibe was struggling in the classroom. I do not know this to be a fact, I'm only suggesting it might be a possible reason he did not stay around. We still don't have a lot of wiggle room in that area and from what I have read Anton is an excellent student.

(02-15-2014 08:15 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Early on the Tulsa announcers pointed out that this was a game of 5 (Tulsa) on 3 (ODU) becasue they they had zero respect for our front line. I don't want to nock our guys but the results speak for themselves.

Good folks. I was at the game and hadn't seen ODU before. IMO the one glaring thing was that ODU's bigs were not a threat to hit the perimeter shots. In your offense, the posts would come away from the post area, usually at a high post area of the court as a relay passer, but since they wouldn't take that shot or weren't a threat to shoot it, it allowed our bigs to stay closer to the basket and funnel off any other cutters or drivers. Also our posts were getting to the offensive boards better which meant that your posts weren't able to block them out.

Your offense actually has more and better designed movement than ours and the players run it well, but our defense has been much better lately. You aren't that bad. We got all the contested rebounds and loose balls. It was the best we've played at doubling the ballhandler as well as hands in the passing lanes.

Good luck.

(02-16-2014 06:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Number 2 simply is not true. Coaches that are good recruiters don't take two years to start seeing improved players on the court. This is just a myth that was started on this board by those who don't want anyone to pay attention to the fact that we have no 2014 recruiting class.

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Bull. Trying to pull fantastic recruits into a dumpster fire is not some easy thing in year 1.

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(02-16-2014 09:27 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 09:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Skerry brought in quality players nearly right away and Towson went from 1-31 to a winning record in 2 years.

Jeff jones has brought in no one of consequence (freeman was already headed here, I'm sure of that) in nearly a year.
Stop the madness.

Also, random thought, how god awful was anichebe that he wasn't even allowed to fill out a jersey for us????? We kept Anton, but anichebe couldn't stay?

I can't even imagine how bad he must have been that this team didn't need him or couldn't use him.

It may be a case that Anichibe was struggling in the classroom. I do not know this to be a fact, I'm only suggesting it might be a possible reason he did not stay around. We still don't have a lot of wiggle room in that area and from what I have read Anton is an excellent student.

If I understand APR correctly, getting rid of someone who is struggling in the classroom is riskier than keeping them around.

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(02-16-2014 10:13 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Number 2 simply is not true. Coaches that are good recruiters don't take two years to start seeing improved players on the court. This is just a myth that was started on this board by those who don't want anyone to pay attention to the fact that we have no 2014 recruiting class.

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Bull. Trying to pull fantastic recruits into a dumpster fire is not some easy thing in year 1.

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Again, see Skerry, Pat.

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Who was JJ supposed to bring in instantly if he was recruiting for American? If we brought in a guy who only had offers from American wouldn't we all be upset?