(02-14-2014 10:56 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote:  Based on the scheduling for 2014, it appears we have the following Divisional lineup for 2015 and forward-

North -
UConn
Temple
Navy

Cinti
Memphis
Tulane

South
ECU
UCF
USF

Tulsa
SMU
Houston

I agree it will be North South instead of East West. But I disagree with a couple of your schools. Specifically, I think East Carolina will go North and either Navy or Memphis will come South.

(02-14-2014 12:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  2) Sending Navy west. This keeps UC and USF in the east. But what is the incentive for Navy to do this.

Who knows, but I've heard Navy is open to that, and might even prefer it.

navy once had a quote 1 time about not minding going west in reference to cross-divisional games versus boise and sdsu when they were still in the league

i don't know how its been twisted into them wanting to be in a west division on a complete island, when teams in the east are a few hours from their campus in the NE

navy is the only team with the options and national value and leverage to remain independent, they are on ice with staying, i doubt we'd give them a reason to leave

(02-14-2014 12:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  2) Sending Navy west. This keeps UC and USF in the east. But what is the incentive for Navy to do this.

Who knows, but I've heard Navy is open to that, and might even prefer it.

If they're open to it, then that is a simple solution. I'm just not convinced that they are. I see a zipper or N/S arrangement happening to keep everyone happy (or at least less upset). In an E/W arrangement, someone is going to be unhappy, because there are basically 7 E teams and 5 W teams.

(02-14-2014 12:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  2) Sending Navy west. This keeps UC and USF in the east. But what is the incentive for Navy to do this.

Who knows, but I've heard Navy is open to that, and might even prefer it.

navy once had a quote 1 time about not minding going west in reference to cross-divisional games versus boise and sdsu when they were still in the league

i don't know how its been twisted into them wanting to be in a west division on a complete island, when teams in the east are a few hours from their campus in the NE

navy is the only team with the options and national value and leverage to remain independent, they are on ice with staying, i doubt we'd give them a reason to leave

Navy isn't going anywhere. They'll join.

I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play. Navy, Temple and ECU are as obvious as Houston, SMU and Tulane.

(02-14-2014 12:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  2) Sending Navy west. This keeps UC and USF in the east. But what is the incentive for Navy to do this.

Who knows, but I've heard Navy is open to that, and might even prefer it.

navy once had a quote 1 time about not minding going west in reference to cross-divisional games versus boise and sdsu when they were still in the league

i don't know how its been twisted into them wanting to be in a west division on a complete island, when teams in the east are a few hours from their campus in the NE

navy is the only team with the options and national value and leverage to remain independent, they are on ice with staying, i doubt we'd give them a reason to leave

Navy isn't going anywhere. They'll join.

i agree they'll join but i also doubt we'd give them a reason to leave by isolating them

heres a quote from there AD from a year ago when sdsu and boise left

“We knew there was going to be incredible volatility with regard to conference realignment. By delaying our entry into the Big East for a few years, it gave the academy an opportunity to see how the dust settled,” Gladchuk said. “We still have the advantage of time. We are not an official member of the Big East at this moment"

›they acknowledged theyll leave if it's not beneficial for them

(02-14-2014 01:03 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play. Navy, Temple and ECU are as obvious as Houston, SMU and Tulane.

uconn, temple navy and ecu are obviously together (in a north south scenario ucf/usf not included)
smu, tulsa, tulane and houston also obviously together
ucf/usf likely together aswell , memphis and cincy are the outliers that can end up with anyone

(02-14-2014 01:03 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play.

Because that division averages 36,000 a game, and the other division averages 24,000 a game.

They aren't going to stack the top 5 football draws in one division and create such a huge imbalance when other reasonable and balanced alternatives exist. Like a North/South arrangement.

(02-14-2014 12:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  navy once had a quote 1 time about not minding going west in reference to cross-divisional games versus boise and sdsu when they were still in the league

i don't know how its been twisted into them wanting to be in a west division on a complete island, when teams in the east are a few hours from their campus in the NE

navy is the only team with the options and national value and leverage to remain independent, they are on ice with staying, i doubt we'd give them a reason to leave

Why don't we give Navy a choice of joining a Southern division with the Texas and Florida schools, or a Northern Division. Let's see what they prefer, instead of making assumptions about what they prefer.

(02-14-2014 01:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  navy once had a quote 1 time about not minding going west in reference to cross-divisional games versus boise and sdsu when they were still in the league

i don't know how its been twisted into them wanting to be in a west division on a complete island, when teams in the east are a few hours from their campus in the NE

navy is the only team with the options and national value and leverage to remain independent, they are on ice with staying, i doubt we'd give them a reason to leave

Why don't we give Navy a choice of joining a Southern division with the Texas and Florida schools, or a Northern Division. Let's see what they prefer, instead of making assumptions about what they prefer.

northern division with the bigger brand teams

why do they care about florida/texas you're acting as if they recruit normally ...and would voluntarily dramatically increase there travel expense. they can bus must of the NE teams.. no, im certain they prefer chartering planes for players and equipment

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:03 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play.

Because that division averages 36,000 a game, and the other division averages 24,000 a game.

They aren't going to stack the top 5 football draws in one division and create such a huge imbalance when other reasonable and balanced alternatives exist. Like a North/South arrangement.

Hell, Memphis could average more than anybody if they ever decided to field a real football team.

(02-14-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  [quote='PirateMarv' pid='10428364' dateline='1392400986']
I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play.

Because that division averages 36,000 a game, and the other division averages 24,000 a game.

They aren't going to stack the top 5 football draws in one division and create such a huge imbalance when other reasonable and balanced alternatives exist. Like a North/South arrangement.

Why would the attendance balance (or lack thereof) matter so much?

(02-14-2014 12:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:57 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  That would suck for ECU since we're closer to Navy, Temple, and UConn than either UCF or USF

Looking at the CUSA west (I mean AAC west) is a flashback to CUSA 2.0. Houston probably should have gone west with MW when they had the chance. That tired worn out CUSA divisional line up is going to be a huge disappointment for fans after the all the fanfare of moving to a "new" conference. Never thought I'd say it, but I'd rather have he zipper alignment. The best outcome for Houston is if the NCAA scraps the rules requiring divisions and allows conferences to determine how they decide their champion. That would allow more variety with a round robin type conference schedule that has far fewer locked in conference games.

because the mwc division would have been better? wyoming, new mexico, colorado state, utah state,airforce and houston (2nd texas team, likely utep).. that will definitely get the fans riled up

quit moaning, im perfctly fine with however the divisions fall

Im not the only one saying it. Everyone is designing divisional alignments that allow their team to escape the "CUSA" division.

(02-14-2014 01:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  navy once had a quote 1 time about not minding going west in reference to cross-divisional games versus boise and sdsu when they were still in the league

i don't know how its been twisted into them wanting to be in a west division on a complete island, when teams in the east are a few hours from their campus in the NE

navy is the only team with the options and national value and leverage to remain independent, they are on ice with staying, i doubt we'd give them a reason to leave

Why don't we give Navy a choice of joining a Southern division with the Texas and Florida schools, or a Northern Division. Let's see what they prefer, instead of making assumptions about what they prefer.

northern division with the bigger brand teams

why do they care about florida/texas you're acting as if they recruit normally ...and would voluntarily dramatically increase there travel expense. they can bus must of the NE teams.. no, im certain they prefer chartering planes for players and equipment

You could put Navy in the western division as the trade off for getting to keep their Army-Navy game income after 2018. Moving Navy to the west at least makes the western division not 100% CUSA.

(02-14-2014 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:57 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  That would suck for ECU since we're closer to Navy, Temple, and UConn than either UCF or USF

Looking at the CUSA west (I mean AAC west) is a flashback to CUSA 2.0. Houston probably should have gone west with MW when they had the chance. That tired worn out CUSA divisional line up is going to be a huge disappointment for fans after the all the fanfare of moving to a "new" conference. Never thought I'd say it, but I'd rather have he zipper alignment. The best outcome for Houston is if the NCAA scraps the rules requiring divisions and allows conferences to determine how they decide their champion. That would allow more variety with a round robin type conference schedule that has far fewer locked in conference games.

because the mwc division would have been better? wyoming, new mexico, colorado state, utah state,airforce and houston (2nd texas team, likely utep).. that will definitely get the fans riled up

quit moaning, im perfctly fine with however the divisions fall

Im not the only one saying it. Everyone is designing divisional alignments that allow their team to escape the "CUSA" division.

The problem with that is there's only 3 teams that have never been in CUSA, and they all reside within very close proximity to each other. I'm assuming SMU and Houston would rather not be split up either...

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:03 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play.

Because that division averages 36,000 a game, and the other division averages 24,000 a game.

They aren't going to stack the top 5 football draws in one division and create such a huge imbalance when other reasonable and balanced alternatives exist. Like a North/South arrangement.

why would they care about attendance in deciding divisions??
all the teams with the bigger brands an attendance are majority in the big 10 east

and the vast majority of the better attending team are in the pac 12 south, the 3 worst attended teams (4 if we are talking over history) that are in the SEC are all in the SEC east.. no one divides divisions based on attendance ..

Navy in the west is defineatly a possibility I don't really see how it is inconvenient to them. No long standing rivals and it's not a fan base that is centered around Annapolis it is nationwide.

North south makes no sense to me east west is the logical format with either Cincy or navy out west my bet would be on Cincy though.

(02-14-2014 12:58 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  2) Sending Navy west. This keeps UC and USF in the east. But what is the incentive for Navy to do this.

Who knows, but I've heard Navy is open to that, and might even prefer it.

If they're open to it, then that is a simple solution. I'm just not convinced that they are. I see a zipper or N/S arrangement happening to keep everyone happy (or at least less upset). In an E/W arrangement, someone is going to be unhappy, because there are basically 7 E teams and 5 W teams.

N/S is horrible for all the east coast schools that recruit Florida hard, which is pretty much all of them. Not to mention the fact that the team ECU has the biggest current rivalry with is UCF. I want nothing to do with N/S.

(02-14-2014 01:42 PM)DBpirate Wrote:  Navy in the west is defineatly a possibility I don't really see how it is inconvenient to them. No long standing rivals and it's not a fan base that is centered around Annapolis it is nationwide.

North south makes no sense to me east west is the logical format with either Cincy or navy out west my bet would be on Cincy though.

travel expenses??

(02-14-2014 01:27 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  [quote='PirateMarv' pid='10428364' dateline='1392400986']
I still don't understand how this division is not going to happen:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF

Those 6 are so obvious to me that I must be missing something else at play.

Because that division averages 36,000 a game, and the other division averages 24,000 a game.

They aren't going to stack the top 5 football draws in one division and create such a huge imbalance when other reasonable and balanced alternatives exist. Like a North/South arrangement.

Why would the attendance balance (or lack thereof) matter so much?

A little imbalance would be fine. A huge imbalance is not healthy for the development of the league long term. It could affect which games are chosen for the best channels on TV. It obviously has an impact on overall athletic budget size. Elsewhere, I posted that Tulane and Tulsa had tiny athletic budgets compared to the other league members. It's not healthy to have both of the lightweights in the same division.